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[Rich86]

I've run into a problem with the "The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest" blu-ray when converting it to DVD-5. I am including both the swedish and english audio tracks, as well as the english subtitles in the conversion. The resulting DVD-5 has both audio tracks and the subtitles, but displays the subtitles out of sync (ahead of the audio). This occurs regardless of which audio track I am playing back, or where I play it back (computer or standalone players). The audio and video are in sync just fine.
There is something a little unusual in the source blu-ray that maybe contributes to this issue (this is the 3rd title in my Dragon Tattoo Trilogy blu-ray boxset). The opening scene is of the "Music Box" logo - with no audio track at all (not just silent - there is no audio track running or indicated). The audio track kicks in shortly after that first logo, when the "Yellow Bird" logo starts. That amount of time with no audio track active is approximately the amount of out of sync I am seeing in the output. Is it possible the subtitle synchronization drives off the start of the video and the audio track actually initializing and starting after the first brief logo scene throws it off?
Note that the defaults I selected (swedish audio + english subs) did not work either, in case that is relevant (maybe another result of no audio track or subtitles existing for the first scene?).
The original disc plays fine. The ripped blu-ray title plays fine off the hard disc. I am running the latest 38.09 version under Win7/64 on a quad core tower.
Maybe I did something wrong, so any advice is appreciated.

[23:19:40] BD Rebuilder v0.38.09 (beta)
- Source: TGW_KICKED_THE_HORNETS_NEST
- Input BD size: 18.71 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:27:10.947]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
- Subtitle [1] is defaulted ON.
- Audio [1] set to default.
[23:19:40] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [23:19:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [23:24:02] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 3)
- [23:24:02] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 240 frames
- Bitrate: 200 Kbs
- [23:24:02] Reencoding: VID_00001
- [23:24:14] Video Encode complete
- [23:24:14] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [23:28:02] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:28:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [23:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00000 (2 of 3)
- [23:32:25] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 211,394 frames
- Bitrate: 3,207 Kbs
- [23:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00000
- [02:55:37] Video Encode complete
- [02:55:37] Multiplexing M2TS
- [02:55:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00017]
- [02:55:37] Reencoding: VID_00017 (3 of 3)
- [02:55:37] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 97 frames
- Bitrate: 200 Kbs
- [02:55:37] Reencoding: VID_00017
- [02:55:41] Video Encode complete
- [02:55:41] Multiplexing M2TS
[02:55:41]PHASE ONE complete
[02:55:41]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [02:55:41] Rebuilding stream 00001 [1 of 3]
- [02:55:41] Rebuilding stream 00000 [2 of 3]
- [02:55:41] Rebuilding stream 00017 [3 of 3]
- [02:55:41] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
- [02:56:33] Converting 1 subtitles to DVD format.
- [02:57:17] Starting MPLEX.
- [03:00:49] Multiplexing 1 subtitles into stream.
- [03:03:48] Building DVD File Structure.
[03:06:54] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- Computer SHUTDOWN initiated.

[jdobbs]

@Rich86

Does the audio appear to be in-sync?

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

@Rich86

Does the audio appear to be in-sync?

Yes - the audio and video appear perfectly in sync . . . only the subtitles display is off.
The opening scene with no audio track is 10 seconds long. The subtitles display 10 seconds ahead of the proper audio/video scene afterwards.

[setarip_old]

@Rich86

Hi!

For kicks and giggles, try the following:

Regarding your specific problem, try loading ONLY the main movie .M2TS file into tsMuxeR and save as a "new" BluRay "package" - and then use it with BD Rebuilder.

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by setarip_old

@Rich86

Hi!

For kicks and giggles, try the following:

Regarding your specific problem, try loading ONLY the main movie .M2TS file into tsMuxeR and save as a "new" BluRay "package" - and then use it with BD Rebuilder.

I confess to being one of those folks who relies on jdobbs program package for most everything. I know how to install, setup and select options within BD-RB, but I do not believe I know how to do what you are suggesting.

[Capsbackup]

@Rich86;
You might try looking at the other available playlists listed within the alternate movie choices, and if there is one that is close to the length of the one BD-RB defaults to, try selecting that one and run a new backup.

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

@Rich86;
You might try looking at the other available playlists listed within the alternate movie choices, and if there is one that is close to the length of the one BD-RB defaults to, try selecting that one and run a new backup.

Yes - thanks for the suggestion - I generally do that to make sure I have the correct one, and this title only has 1 playlist listed.

And some additional info . . .
the very first file listed in the log above (Vid_00001) IS the file with that opening "Music Box" logo and when viewing it within BDRB indicates no audio nor subtitles in the file, so it is consistent. Unfortunately, when I try to preview the next file (Vid_00000) where the movie starts with the "Yellow Bird" logo MPC greys out audio and subtitles in the menu and simply uses the first audio file with no subtitles regardless of what I specify as defaults, so I cannot see if the subtitles are correctly sync'ed there.

[Capsbackup]

The work-around for now, until jdobbs can correct BD-RB, is to follow setarip_old's suggestion. Download tsMuxeR, http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR, load the 00000.m2ts file from the movie into tsMuxer, select Bluray for the output, select/deselect any audio/subtitles you desire and save to a new folder. Then direct BD-RB to perform a backup using this new Bluray folder you just created.

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

The work-around for now, until jdobbs can correct BD-RB, is to follow setarip_old's suggestion. Download tsMuxeR, http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR, load the 00000.m2ts file from the movie into tsMuxer, select Bluray for the output, select/deselect any audio/subtitles you desire and save to a new folder. Then direct BD-RB to perform a backup using this new Bluray folder you just created.

Thanks for the steps and info - I will try that and see if it corrects the problem. Maybe the results of that test will assist jdobbs also.

Update: I ran tsMuxer as suggested creating a BD strcture with only the 00000 file - and ran that through BDRB - and the resulting DVD-5 has both audio tracks + subtitles and everything appears to be in sync. So apparently that first file #0001 in the playlist is what is causing the problem with BDRB syncing subtitles with the audio/video. Of course this new output DVD-5 isn't free of issues (original chapters gone, still doesn't set up the defaults I indicate in BDRB, and the dvd does not seem to end properly - but those could be the product of shoving a modified BD structure through BDRB).
I'm hoping this exercise provides jdobbs worthwhile info in analyzing and fixing the problem. All 3 of the Dragon Tattoo blu-rays include that opening logo scene with no audio track, so I expect the same problem will exist in all 3.
Thanks for the help.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by k-c-ksum

opening the original in bdrb shows the secondard as 480p vc1
opening the reencode shows it as 480i avc

opening the m2ts re-encode in tsmuxer shows them as 480i 23.976


heres the cl of the first secondary vid.

all i changed in this encode was the speed

"E:\BD_Rebuilder\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "E:\TEMP\BLU_RE-ENCODES\WORKFILES\VID_00009_2.AVS" 
--preset ultrafast --cabac --bframes 3 --b-pyramid none --qpmin=0 --slow-firstpass --crf 25 
--level 3.2 --sar 10:11 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 12000 --keyint 24 
--min-keyint 1 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-maxrate 3500 --tff --threads auto 
--thread-input --stats "C:\TEMP\BLU_RE-ENCODES\WORKFILES\VID_00009_2.AVS.264.stats" 
--pass 1 --output "E:\TEMP\BLU_RE-ENCODES\WORKFILES\VID_00009_2.AVS.264"

Just wanted to give you an update. I did BOURNE SUPREMACY and for me the secondary channels encoded correctly (23.976, progressive). Are you sure your source isn't corrupted or has been modified by any preprocessing?

[setarip_old]

@Rich86

Glad to hear that my suggestion worked for you (as it had previously regarding this series of movies).

Just to let you know that, also via tsMuxer (with a little research on your part), you can use the original chapter settings, or default settings of every 5 minutes, or ANY chapter times that you'd care to set ;>}

[k-c-ksum]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Just wanted to give you an update. I did BOURNE SUPREMACY and for me the secondary channels encoded correctly (23.976, progressive). Are you sure your source isn't corrupted or has been modified by any preprocessing?

not that im aware of, same thing happened on The Bourne Identity, i ripped the disc, selecting anydvd to leave everything in place apart from bdlive.

opening the source shows is as 23.976 Progressive on the original rip, displayed in bdrb and tsmuxer but then interlaced on the re-encode

i'll try a movie from an alternate studio and see what happens there.

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by setarip_old

@Rich86

Glad to hear that my suggestion worked for you (as it had previously regarding this series of movies).

Just to let you know that, also via tsMuxer (with a little research on your part), you can use the original chapter settings, or default settings of every 5 minutes, or ANY chapter times that you'd care to set ;>}

Well, I'm not sure what kind of research you are suggesting, but I can't see any options to retain the original chapter settings in tsmuxer. I see the every 5 minutes and custom and no chapters options only.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Well, I'm not sure what kind of research you are suggesting, but I can't see any options to retain the original chapter settings in tsmuxer. I see the every 5 minutes and custom and no chapters options only.

I think it gathers the chapters is you open the playlist (MPLS) rather than the M2TS.

[JJB]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Well, I'm not sure what kind of research you are suggesting, but I can't see any options to retain the original chapter settings in tsmuxer. I see the every 5 minutes and custom and no chapters options only.

Download tsMuxeR.
Find the m2ts that hold main movie - could be 00001.m2ts - and find the according playlist - would be 00001.mpls.
Add only the playlist in tsMuxeR and the according m2ts will be imported.
Go to the Blu-ray tab at top of tsMuxeR and select "Custom chapters list".

Your done.

Edit: Sorry, got in late....

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I think it gathers the chapters is you open the playlist (MPLS) rather than the M2TS.

Yes - I can see where it loads the "custom chapters" box with the original chapters when you choose the playlist (00001).
However - it also includes the opening 10 second scene (00001.m2ts) which confounds BDRB afterwards when you select the playlist. The whole purpose of this exercise is to eliminate the first scene since it seems to cause BDRB to push subtitles out of sync for dvd-5 output. It seems to me that this will result in a blu-ray structure that looks exactly like what BDRB sees as the main movie if it just points to the original directory.
I tried to upload an image of the tsmux screen, but the website has decided it is not a valid image file for some reason (155kb, .jpg).

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Yes - I can see where it loads the "custom chapters" box with the original chapters when you choose the playlist (00001).
However - it also includes the opening 10 second scene (00001.m2ts) which confounds BDRB afterwards when you select the playlist. The whole purpose of this exercise is to eliminate the first scene since it seems to cause BDRB to push subtitles out of sync for dvd-5 output. It seems to me that this will result in a blu-ray structure that looks exactly like what BDRB sees as the main movie if it just points to the original directory.
I tried to upload an image of the tsmux screen, but the website has decided it is not a valid image file for some reason (155kb, .jpg).

Hmm... good point.

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Hmm... good point.

Have you had a chance to decide if the subtitle out of sync problem with DVD-5 output is fixable in BDRB? I realize it is probably an issue only with a small number of titles - BDRB has certainly been very reliable for me with DVD-5 output until the Dragon Tattoo BDs.

[setarip_old]

@Rich86

Yes - I can see where it loads the "custom chapters" box with the original chapters when you choose the playlist (00001).
However - it also includes the opening 10 second scene (00001.m2ts)

The "new" movie-only Blu-ray that you created should only contain "00000.M2TS" and, likewise, "00000.mpls" and, if I remember correctly, should no longer include the problematic opening 10-11 second scene...

Here's a little "magic" regarding tsMuxer and chapters:

If you first load the original .MPLS into tsMuxer and then "Remove" it, you'll note that the original chapters remain listed.

If you then load the NEW .M2TS into tsMuxer, you'll see that the ORIGINAL chapters are still there - Then resave as Blu-ray ;>}

Note: - I haven't done this in quite a while, so, if loading the new M2TS DOESN'T retain the original chapters, start fresh and perform the same procedure starting with opening tsMuxer anew, load the original .MPLS, etc. ...

[Rich86]

Originally Posted by setarip_old

@Rich86 The "new" movie-only Blu-ray that you created should only contain "00000.M2TS" and, likewise, "00000.mpls" and, if I remember correctly, should no longer include the problematic opening 10-11 second scene...

Here's a little "magic" regarding tsMuxer and chapters:

If you first load the original .MPLS into tsMuxer and then "Remove" it, you'll note that the original chapters remain listed.

If you then load the NEW .M2TS into tsMuxer, you'll see that the ORIGINAL chapters are still there - Then resave as Blu-ray ;>}

Note: - I haven't done this in quite a while, so, if loading the new M2TS DOESN'T retain the original chapters, start fresh and perform the same procedure starting with opening tsMuxer anew, load the original .MPLS, etc. ...

Very neat little trick.
Now another question:
Since these chapter designations from the playlist were related to the playlist which included that opening 10 second scene which we've now effectively deleted, should I assume all these chapter points being applied to only the 2nd video file from the playlist are 10 seconds off and try to adjust them down by 10 seconds each before I run tsmuxer again?