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this is a VERY wrong approach...why butchering an already butchered audio (watermarked)?..you will end up with some CAM audio quality...where is the HD audio everyone likes in this?..the right think to do is to leave audio as it is and buy a linux based NMT which will play this backups...or custom firmwares for disabling the detection...
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I've already said I plan on doing absolutely nothing about Cinavia, so... I just find it interesting that pitch changes break detection. I don't see that in and of itself as a means to defeat it. Simply an interesting insight into how the detection works. Considering there's only 1 confirmed disc with this stuff on it anyway, it's not really a big issue at the moment. However, given that the "test" seems to be successful so far you can probably bet on seeing more discs soon. As a result it makes sense to have some method of playing backups that doesn't involve Cinavia detection. My preferred method is an HTPC with open source software. Older BD players are another possible solution, at least for now. Some day someone will find a way to non-destructively remove it. Until then, it remains an interesting case study in content protection. At least to me.
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i think it matter...people going PRO with some rebuilding tools need to be aware that will be some heavy problems...
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I concur with "Neuron2" - especially since there is already a similar thread that includes posts expressing concern about potential rebuilding problems posed by "Cinavia", in the BD Rebuilder sub-forum.
(Perhaps there would be no cause for attempted hairsplitting if this sub-forum was renamed "Decryption/Copy Protection") |
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By the way, if you're talking about BD "Rebuilder" when you say "rebuilding tools"... there is no "PRO" (and probably never will be)... and it wouldn't matter anyway since BD Rebuilder doesn't do any kind of copy protection removal anyway (watermarking or otherwise -- and never will). So I certainly can't see why it would be appropriate to move it over there???? Last edited by jdobbs; 30th July 2010 at 02:36. |
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It's been 10 days since I started this thread and the only specifically confirmed report of "Cinavia" on the "Losers" BluRay disc that I've seen here or elsewhere has been regarding playback on a PS3. (As I mentioned, neither my SONY BDP S360 nor PowerDVD7.3 exhibited any indication of "Cinavia")
Is it possible that, despite the claims at this forum and others, the statement "all players manufactured starting with the third quarter of 2009" will be required to contain the necessary "Cinavia" reader component(s)" is Bovine Scatology? I ask this because, despite such statements, a cursory review of the licensing page of AACS LA at: http://www.aacsla.com/license/ yields the following opening statement: Quote:
BTW Contrary to a recent posting about whether the Blu-Ray logo could appear on hardware not including the "Cinavia" component(s), it appears that the Blu-Ray logo is owned by the "Blu-Ray Disc Association", which has no direct connection to AACS LA... Last edited by setarip_old; 31st July 2010 at 08:03. |
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And whoever even suggested so is an idiot; because this also affects streaming on the PS3 of a single m2ts file (with the main feature in it), which has no chapters at all.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting you try and remove any copy protection scheme into your software. I'm just saying that the inability to make backups (or, in my case, the inability to stream from my media server) is a matter that affects us all. And lastly, the problem simply is big; if for nothing else, because even if it's cracked tomorrow, the concept of extracting a lossless audio track will be a thing of the past.
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I guess you just don't get it - What if this "ruse" copy protection scheme involving chapters includes the word "CINAVIA" appearing on screen - and possibly even turns off the audio? At this juncture, as I've alluded to previously, we haven't seen or heard about any meaningful number of proven "Cinavia"-affected players - only the PS3 (Read my Post #129) |
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I think you're stretching a bit here, just to argue that something Cinavia could also be inside chapters. Sure, there's always the theoretical possibility; but who would care? If that were the case, obviously it wouldn't just be in the chapter info, as that would make Cinavia extremely simple to circumvent (chapters can either be removed or rebuilt with great ease). And if it's also in the audio (which it is), then having it also in the chapter info would be utterly pointless.
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Recently I read through part of the agreement (didn't manage the whole thing, this type of document tends to make me sick). From what I understoood, it is optional for disc manufacturers to embed it but the detection is mandatory for any "Licensed Access Product". That agreement also has a clause that requires the licensee to adopt any future changes to the agreement or otherwise to opt out of the whole thing. I do feel sorry for all those who signed it. So the way I see it, all players will have it soon. Given the langage of these documents (§1: all apples are green, §1a: exceptions given in §41 apply, §41: except for apples listed in §541a, some apples that conform to §51: may also be red or of unspecified color, .... you know what I mean...), there's always a chance I may have misread something, but I don't think so.
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On a Dutch PS3 forum I frequent someone just shared this (unconfirmed) report: *
"In order to watch your movie with sound you need to rewind just a bit when you receive the [Cinavia] message. And then, just before the message re-appears wind forward a bit, past where you would get the message. Then the software can't pick up on the stream any more, and you can watch your movie with audio, after all." I'm amazed, for one, that there's not some kind of media-change detection (as in: the PS3 realizing you're still trying to play the same movie). Why, if this is true, it opens possibilities. :) * Translated by me, of course.
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You're wasting your breath in discussing this nonsense with some of these folks. The sky is falling and no one will ever convince them otherwise. Either that or they have a vested interest and are spreading silliness to somehow get "Cinavia" mentioned in as many threads as possible so the non-technicals will start running scared.
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But, I'm confident that the clever people at Slysoft will make short work of this thing... assuming it ever even gets off the ground. I'm outta' here. Last edited by jdobbs; 31st July 2010 at 16:01. |
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