[Solved:Use WMR7 (Renderless)] MPC uses TV (16-235) luma levels for playing avs files

Avenger007 · 18th July 2008, 20:18

WMP correctly uses PC (0-255) colors to play avs files but MPC doesn't. How can I change that?
I'm using MPC version 6.4.9.1 with VMR9 (renderless).

clsid · 18th July 2008, 21:17

Try with a different renderer.
or
Mess around with the other settings such as "VMR9 mixer mode".
or
Enable the included shader to convert the levels.

Avenger007 · 18th July 2008, 22:32

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Originally Posted by clsid

Try with a different renderer.
or
Mess around with the other settings such as "VMR9 mixer mode".

I tried those but they didn't help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clsid

or
Enable the included shader to convert the levels.

How do I do that?

Also, why would MPC use TV levels by default?

wozio · 19th July 2008, 07:33

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Originally Posted by Avenger007

Also, why would MPC use TV levels by default?

It is not a matter of MPC but renderer. You could also try to set drivers, both ati and nvidia needs to have refistry tweaks to output pc levels properly.

Regards
Piotr

Avenger007 · 19th July 2008, 08:01

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Originally Posted by wozio

It is not a matter of MPC but renderer. You could also try to set drivers, both ati and nvidia needs to have refistry tweaks to output pc levels properly.

Regards
Piotr

But it shows fine in windows media player. So why can't MPC do the same?

7o9 · 19th July 2008, 09:07

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Originally Posted by Avenger007

But it shows fine in windows media player. So why can't MPC do the same?

MPC is not WMP. Different players, different things.

It can do what you want, it's just more configurable. Hit the right buttons and it's fine.

Also, perhaps try MPC-Home Cinema. Your version is rather old.

Avenger007 · 19th July 2008, 20:32

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Originally Posted by 7o9

MPC is not WMP. Different players, different things.

This isn't about features of the players or anything like that, it's about getting MPC to use the correct levels. MPC uses PC (0-255) for all media files, so why not for avs files?

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Originally Posted by 7o9

It can do what you want, it's just more configurable. Hit the right buttons and it's fine.

Show me how to convert between levels in MPC for avs files and I'll be fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7o9

Also, perhaps try MPC-Home Cinema. Your version is rather old.

I tried but it didn't help.

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 03:09

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

it's all ok here.

Thanks for the response, but are you saying that both MPC and WMP can play avs files and all other media files using PC (0-255) levels?
Can you switch between PC and TV levels and tell the difference?
What renderer are you using?

I can't figure out why MPC can't use PC levels for avs files like it does for all media files.

Sharktooth · 24th July 2008, 03:11

i use overlay and everything is played back in PC scale with any player.
whatch out from opening 2 concurrent media players... it will bork.

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 03:22

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

whatch out from opening 2 concurrent media players... it will bork.

From my experience when using overlay, the 1st instance uses TV colors but all other instances uses PC colors including, surprisingly, avs files.
Using VMR9 (renderless) causes all media files to use PC colors and all avs files to use TV colors no matter how many instances are open concurrently.

Sharktooth · 24th July 2008, 04:07

it usually depends on the video card or vcard drivers.

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 04:15

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

it usually depends on the video card or vcard drivers.

What does video card or vcard drivers have to do with MPC using TV levels for avs files only and PC levels for all media files?
I have video card settings set to use application settings.

Sharktooth · 24th July 2008, 04:23

colorspace conversions depending on various factors (like resolutions and others)... bugs in drivers.

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 04:39

Thanks for the info and the replies but I don't think drivers are the problem since I've had this problem over several versions of drivers including the latest version.
I guess a good question might be, when using overlay, does the 1st instance uses PC colors and all other instances use TV colors?
I might be mixing up the two but I highly doubt it since my version of PC colors looks better (less contrast/saturation) than TV colors.

ranpha · 24th July 2008, 08:32

How about using Haali Renderer, then force HR to output PC level?

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 08:53

I tried it and luma levels was set to PC (0-255) in HR properties but it didn't help.

ranpha · 24th July 2008, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Avenger007

I tried it and luma levels was set to PC (0-255) in HR properties but it didn't help.

The avs output is still RGB32, not YV12 etc right?

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 09:15

File -> Properties in MPC for the avs file says YV12.

ranpha · 24th July 2008, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Avenger007

File -> Properties in MPC for the avs file says YV12.

There's the problem. Haali did not accept YV12 input, only RGB32.

Avenger007 · 24th July 2008, 09:57

What about VMR9 (renderless)? That's what I'm currently using.
WMP plays all media files and avs files using PC levels, how can make MPC do the same?

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Avenger007 Bruce Wayne Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Thanks for the info and the replies but I don't think drivers are the problem since I've had this problem over several versions of drivers including the latest version. I guess a good question might be, when using overlay, does the 1st instance uses PC colors and all other instances use TV colors? I might be mixing up the two but I highly doubt it since my version of PC colors looks better (less contrast/saturation) than TV colors.

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ranpha Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 335	How about using Haali Renderer, then force HR to output PC level?

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Avenger007 Bruce Wayne Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	I tried it and luma levels was set to PC (0-255) in HR properties but it didn't help.

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Avenger007 Bruce Wayne Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	File -> Properties in MPC for the avs file says YV12.

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Avenger007 Bruce Wayne Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	What about VMR9 (renderless)? That's what I'm currently using. WMP plays all media files and avs files using PC levels, how can make MPC do the same?

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