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[Furiousflea]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

No.

If it is smaller than your setting but is still showing in the list, that means it is a part of a multipart MPLS that has at least one section meeting your criteria. If any part of an MPLS is to be reencoded, all other M2TSs in that MPLS must also be reencoded. If you don't do that you may end up with an MPLS that has one part AVC and another VC-1, or one part containing one type of audio and another that doesn't match. The result would be something unplayable because the MPLS descriptions wouldn't match at least some part of the video/audio.

I don't think I've seen any problems reencoding small video segments in a long time... can you describe the issue?

The POTC films are good examples of this, they all have an m2ts of about 40kb that no matter what size you set the min m2ts, they will always appear in the BDRB stream selection window.

These do encode fine though...down to about 12kb!

[drmih]

I have been doing the Harry Potter series, full backup to bd-9, and on three or four you get the audio / pgs warning / error message. On one it continued and still came in under bd-9 but the others (I think 4 and 5) it overshot by over 1 Gb. If it isn't a problem that can be resolved by bd-rb (I assume it could be ts-muxer), would it be possible for the process to continue automatically but with a warning - it's so frustrating to see a warning message in the morning when it's obviously been stuck on 5 or 10% since the early hours.

**Note
I have always left my setup with allowing all of the English language tracks rather than just one. When I look at the Harry Potter extras files (there is never an issue with the main movie) bd-rb is showing some of the problem ones as having 14 or so English tracks - when you play them they are bog standard small video clips with no sign of any requirement or presence of anything but 1 audio track. I am now retrying with the setup limiting the audio to one per track to see if that sorts it.
I have just used tsmuxer to demux a typical problem m2ts file. It consisted of a 148Mb vc1 file and 14 x 2.3 Mb identical english audio tracks. Haven't got a clue what that's all about but I'll report whether it works later on.

[Capsbackup]

X-Men completed successfully, keeping the DTS-HD Master Audio and 1 AC3 448kbps Dolby Digital. The ISO is 22.0GB, (23,083,392kb). I agree this is a good default size. I have not had an oversize nor an undersize when using this setting.
I'm not sure why BD-RB could not reencode the small file (468KB) in Casino Royale, but it had no trouble with the original 582KB file in X-Men, reducing it to 234KB.

[Nkotok]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Oversized by your specified settings, or oversized using the standard BD-25 setting?

Standard BD25 setting.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by drmih

I have been doing the Harry Potter series, full backup to bd-9, and on three or four you get the audio / pgs warning / error message. On one it continued and still came in under bd-9 but the others (I think 4 and 5) it overshot by over 1 Gb. If it isn't a problem that can be resolved by bd-rb (I assume it could be ts-muxer), would it be possible for the process to continue automatically but with a warning - it's so frustrating to see a warning message in the morning when it's obviously been stuck on 5 or 10% since the early hours.

**Note
I have always left my setup with allowing all of the English language tracks rather than just one. When I look at the Harry Potter extras files (there is never an issue with the main movie) bd-rb is showing some of the problem ones as having 14 or so English tracks - when you play them they are bog standard small video clips with no sign of any requirement or presence of anything but 1 audio track. I am now retrying with the setup limiting the audio to one per track to see if that sorts it.
I have just used tsmuxer to demux a typical problem m2ts file. It consisted of a 148Mb vc1 file and 14 x 2.3 Mb identical english audio tracks. Haven't got a clue what that's all about but I'll report whether it works later on.

I doubt that it is a TSMUXER problem. More likely BD-RB. But I'd have to repeat it to find it... and I've done all the Harry Potter series (Region A) without issues. I just did a movie-only version of "Prisoner of Azkaban" for DVD-5 in testing yesterday.

What codec are you using for VC-1? It sounds almost like it is failing on the small encodes. My recommendation is to use WMV11.

Your example overshot by 1GB because it used CRF to encode (that was the only choice, because it could not create a file at the specified output size -- likely < 0 MB).

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by drmih

Oversized using the standard bd-25 setting - I also had the same which is where my question came from.

The size on the hard disc was 23.6 Gb (25,357,897,728).

If by using a slightly smaller custom size I can still get untouched audio then there's no issue for me, although I suppose it could be annoying if you have a slow pc which is taken a day or so.

Any custom size over 8500MB is considered BD-25.

[tekmobile]

Ive just completed Tenatious D: The Complete Masterworks Vol 2 again for either the 5th or 6th time using the latest version this time and it does tthe exact same thing as every other encode with every other version.

It locks up my BDP-S350 about 16 Seconds into the concert on every encode but on the plus side this time it did have LPCM working.

Anymore information you need

Video: 1280x720 AVC @ 59.940 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: LPCM 2.0 @ 48 kHz / 24-bit

Ive ReRipped the disc three times with different versions of AnyDVD HD get no errors ripping or encoding.

The strange thing is though on my BDP-S350 it reports the bitrate at 0Mbps upto it locking up this is the only disc I have had problems with the orig plays perfect and the ripped folders play perfect burned to a BD-RE50 I know BD-RB can do 720p without issues but could the problem be the 59.940 framerate and if so is it a x264 or a TsMuxer prob

[drmih]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I doubt that it is a TSMUXER problem. More likely BD-RB. But I'd have to repeat it to find it... and I've done all the Harry Potter series (Region A) without issues. I just did a movie-only version of "Prisoner of Azkaban" for DVD-5 in testing yesterday.

What codec are you using for VC-1? It sounds almost like it is failing on the small encodes. My recommendation is to use WMV11.

Your example overshot by 1GB because it used CRF to encode (that was the only choice, because it could not create a file at the specified output size -- likely < 0 MB).

They are all Region B and I have done the first 3 movies okay, although it did complain about the audio / pgs on one but I continued and it was okay size wise. The problem ones are 4 and 5 (Goblet + Order) and I'm trying one again now. I am using wmv11 by default but have had a problem with the first extras file where I had to switch to the arcsoft tweak. However the warning occurs with both encoders. Having demuxed one of the m2ts file with tsmuxer and finding all of these identical audio files I guess it's only doing what it was asked. However, I still don't know why the original contains all of these identical audio streams.

[lithiumus]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Give me some info on how oversized we're talking? I use a standard parameter to estimate how large the HD audio will be when remuxed into M2TS -- I can adjust it if I know how much it is oversizing. Even better would be a size adjustment that is specific to muxing overhead for each HD type. Then I could get very accurate. I just haven't had time to run tests. I'll see what I can do this weekend.

I've got some fairly extensive static m2ts overhead info for the various HD audio types that might help you to do better estimation.

Generally speaking, TrueHD is probably the source of pain for the majority of the oversizing as the overhead on TrueHD is tremendous! Let me dig up my info.

I was also wondering if you could allow advanced x264 tweaking for those who want to change various x264 quality settings?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by lithiumus

I've got some fairly extensive static m2ts overhead info for the various HD audio types that might help you to do better estimation.

Generally speaking, TrueHD is probably the source of pain for the majority of the oversizing as the overhead on TrueHD is tremendous! Let me dig up my info.

I was also wondering if you could allow advanced x264 tweaking for those who want to change various x264 quality settings?

I'll definitely add it later. Unfortunately from my experience with DVD-RB, tweaking by "somewhat less than experts" becomes self-inflicted wounds that get reported as bugs -- and I spend a lot of time chasing ghosts...

I'd really appreciate any info you can give on the m2ts overhead of audio types.

[Tongariro]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

My suggestion: advise people not to buy the Panasonic. That's the only way to force them to create a compliant player.

If someone could point out what needs to change, I would happily modify BD-RB for a workaround -- but not owning a Panasonic player, I have no way of knowing what to change.

jdobbs

I tried to set the tsmuxer to force 24 Frames While Muxing just for testing to see if it will work on my Panasonic BD-35 24P mode.

Well it did. The video was out of sync with the audio and it was a little bit jittery but i saw video.
In regular BD-RB result I can't see nothing in 24P mode(sound is OK).

I tried two movies changeling and Paycheck with the same result.

Is this information helps??

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I'd really appreciate any info you can give on the m2ts overhead of audio types.

Experimetally I found that 8% overhead seems to be rather safe for m2ts muxing of 1 video+2 audio (ac3 448 5.1)+2sups. But don't quote me on this ....

[turbojet]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I'd really appreciate any info you can give on the m2ts overhead of audio types.

RipBot's AC3/DTS/subs calculation is a start. Maybe lithiumus and others can help out with HD audio and mutli-audio.

[Category 5]

Originally Posted by MikeyBK

For movie only back-ups played back on PS3s, you still need to set the 'Stricter AVC-HD Compliance' in order for proper playback in PS3s....
either setting back-ups plays perfectly fine on my Sony BDP-BX1.

This is in reference to BD-RB v0.21.01

Are you talking about BD9 BD5 or BD25? I have never EVER checked this option and every BD25 movie only encode I have ever done plays perfectly on the PS3. I keep seeing mention of this but disregard it because in my experience it's never been true.

If you are talking about BD9 only then please specify that. If you mean BD25 too, why is it different for me?

[GaPony]

Originally Posted by Category 5

Are you talking about BD9 BD5 or BD25? I have never EVER checked this option and every BD25 movie only encode I have ever done plays perfectly on the PS3. I keep seeing mention of this but disregard it because in my experience it's never been true.

If you are talking about BD9 only then please specify that. If you mean BD25 too, why is it different for me?

Please keep in mind that this discussion is strictly regarding a "Movie Only" copy.

The option for "Stricter compliance with AVCHD" doesn't seem to matter much with US models of the PS3. It makes alot of difference with other brands, like Samsung. Simply for compatibility with other players, its appears, in my experience, to be a good idea to use the option when making a BD5 or BD9 copy. (BD25 copies seem not to require it)

This is the technique I use for making copies that play on my PS3, Sony BDP-S550, and Samsung BDP2500. Unfortunately, there are some players that don't work well with the "Stricter compliance..." option set, so you'll have to determine what works best for you. The bottom line is that there are vast differences between manufactures and models on how well they play copies. We each need to find our own "most common denominator" for how to get a copy that plays on our standalone players.

Furiousflea has put together a helpful list players and their level of compatibility. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144674

I hope this helps...

[turbojet]

Originally Posted by GaPony

Furiousflea has put together a helpful list players and their level of compatibility. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144674

I hope this helps...

Unfortunately since BD-RB v0.20.06 this list is inaccurate due to changes with BD-RB. Hopefully the next version will finally fix it so it will apply again but still waiting on jdobbs to confirm he's going to fix it.

More accurate to the current BD-RB versions is this list. Without stricter AVCHD option is NEWBD (notice many players cant play it) with stricter AVCHD enabled look at OLDBD (notice a lot more can play it).

The only situation to use what BD-RB is using with non-strict AVCHD is VC-1 video (BD-RB doesn't output) on a panasonic player and it should theoretically work on most/all players from BD25/50 but it's not well tested. In this case Strict AVCHD should always be enabled until BD-RB is fixed.

[drmih]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I doubt that it is a TSMUXER problem. More likely BD-RB. But I'd have to repeat it to find it... and I've done all the Harry Potter series (Region A) without issues. I just did a movie-only version of "Prisoner of Azkaban" for DVD-5 in testing yesterday.

What codec are you using for VC-1? It sounds almost like it is failing on the small encodes. My recommendation is to use WMV11.

Your example overshot by 1GB because it used CRF to encode (that was the only choice, because it could not create a file at the specified output size -- likely < 0 MB).

They all work fine when you only select one audio language.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Tongariro

jdobbs

I tried to set the tsmuxer to force 24 Frames While Muxing just for testing to see if it will work on my Panasonic BD-35 24P mode.

Well it did. The video was out of sync with the audio and it was a little bit jittery but i saw video.
In regular BD-RB result I can't see nothing in 24P mode(sound is OK).

I tried two movies changeling and Paycheck with the same result.

Is this information helps??

So --- it's ok being out of sync and jittery, as long as we get a picture? Do you see my point? Don't you feel a little betrayed by the manufacturer of the player?

Did you try it with "Strict AVCHD" set? If not, you should.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by turbojet

Unfortunately since BD-RB v0.20.06 this list is inaccurate due to changes with BD-RB. Hopefully the next version will finally fix it so it will apply again but still waiting on jdobbs to confirm he's going to fix it.

More accurate to the current BD-RB versions is this list. Without stricter AVCHD option is NEWBD (notice many players cant play it) with stricter AVCHD enabled look at OLDBD (notice a lot more can play it).

The only situation to use what BD-RB is using with non-strict AVCHD is VC-1 video (BD-RB doesn't output) on a panasonic player and it should theoretically work on most/all players from BD25/50 but it's not well tested. In this case Strict AVCHD should always be enabled until BD-RB is fixed.

Ok I'm confused. The list just makes my head spin,

You say "...until BD-RB is fixed" -- so what does that mean? Define "fixed." If I go back to the old way some things won't work. If I stay with the new way some things won't work. So which way is "fixed"?

I decided to change the process so that TSMUXER was the decider as to how AVCHD was implemented rather than BD-RB. This "fixed" thing just ticks me off -- because the real problem isn't BD-RB, it's the lack of standardization across the players. It get's to a point at which I feel people are asking "If I stand on my head and wave my left arm wildly, my player will play AVCHD. Can you make BD-RB stand on it's head and wave its left arm wildly?"

Frankly I think some of these players should be attached to a chain and used as boat anchors because that's about all they are good for.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Ok I'm confused. The list just makes my head spin,

You say "...until BD-RB is fixed" -- so what does that mean? Define "fixed." If I go back to the old way some things won't work. If I stay with the new way some things won't work. So which way is "fixed"?

I decided to change the process so that TSMUXER was the decider as to how AVCHD was implemented rather than BD-RB. This "fixed" thing just ticks me off -- because the real problem isn't BD-RB, it's the lack of standardization across the players. It get's to a point at which I feel people are asking "If I stand on my head and wave my left arm wildly, my player will play AVCHD. Can you make BD-RB stand on it's head and wave its left arm wildly?"

Frankly I think some of these players should be attached to a chain and used as boat anchors because that's about all they are good for.

I am of the same belief, which is why I chose the Sony brand for my player. It was the only one to play back my AVCHD from a Sony HD Camcorder burned to DVD media. I guess I was lucky in the sense that I started this way, before I ventured in to backing up blueray movies. I tested several major brand name players before my purchase of the Sony, and glad I did after reading all the results about other players in this forum.
I understand your frustration trying to make your program compatible, you have your work cut out, but you may have to draw the line somewhere.