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Old 11th January 2020, 21:28   #58361  |  Link
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In short, I'll stay to 8 bit.
No need to quote here, if you're not answering a question (thus notifying them of a reply) and their post is directly above yours, there's no point. You're increasing the thread space for nothing.
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Old 13th January 2020, 03:28   #58362  |  Link
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No need to quote here, if you're not answering a question (thus notifying them of a reply) and their post is directly above yours, there's no point. You're increasing the thread space for nothing.
thatís good to know.
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Old 13th January 2020, 04:35   #58363  |  Link
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Personally I find education is most useful when put into practice.
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Old 13th January 2020, 04:44   #58364  |  Link
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I have now a full 10-bit path madVR-GPU(gtx 1060)-Display(4k monitor). Is there any disadvantage which I have to pay attention to ?
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No inherent disadvantages, just most panels are better off fed 8-bit.
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Old 13th January 2020, 09:35   #58366  |  Link
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This might be off-topic a bit, wondering if I can enable logging by MadVR to help me debug random hdmi signal loss issue. ATM, I cannot pin point the device/component that's causing the problem. Apparently, there's no Windows event to indicate there's a Windows problem, but I can't say I have much confidence in M$ either.

So any advice on debugging the issue is appreciated. HDMI cables are checked, no problem there.
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Old 13th January 2020, 09:41   #58367  |  Link
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In general, does the extra 2-bit processing affect rendering time, upscaling refinement, artifact removal, HDR tone mapping etc. ? Making them better or worst, regarding madVR, inside the GPU and the display ?
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No, madVR always works with 16 bit surfaces internally and using 32 bit math. It dithers to the output bit depth as the very last step.
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So, can I assume that output from madVR is the same, the rest is how the GPU and the display process and output 10-bit.
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Old 13th January 2020, 13:17   #58370  |  Link
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It's really hard to notice a difference in real content between madVR's 8-bit and 10-bit output especially in motion, so if you do then yes, it's the GPU or the display.
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Does anybody else have issues with frame smoothing where the credit crawl at the end of movies flickers?
I do. Soon as I turn smooth motion off it goes away.
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I own an AMD 5700XT, but I can't see GEMINI MAN with Madvr tone mapping, even by lowering the CHROMA UPSCALING to CUBIC, I can only see it in hdr pasthrough, where the rendering drops to 12ms ... has someone with my same video card found a solution?
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Old 14th January 2020, 13:03   #58373  |  Link
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what exactly do you mean you cant see it, if you are just getting a black screen?
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Gemini Man is 60p. Probably means that the 5700 XT isn't powerful enough for tone mapping at 60 fps.

Apart from setting highlight recovery to off, checking the boxes related to HDR in 'trade quality performance' is an option, but at that point you'll probably get better quality with passthrough anyway.
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Thanks, however I solved by clicking on COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING in TRADE QUALITY FOR PERFORMANCE and in CHROMA UPSCALING I can also leave on NGU SHARP MED
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Is that trade off worth it? does NGU low allow you to not compromise on this? Or perhaps changing the chroma to Lanczos or bicubic instead? I'd recommend looking at the video to decide what's best for you.
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I just test Gemini Man with my 5700XT... yeah, Tone Mapping is definitely a no go. I refuse to use any trade quality settings... so pass-through is the best option (for my tastes). I just setup a quick and simple hdr profile and now I am set for the very rare 60 FPS HDR content out there.

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I just test Gemini Man with my 5700XT... yeah, Tone Mapping is definitely a no go. I refuse to use any trade quality settings... so pass-through is the best option (for my tastes). I just setup a quick and simple hdr profile and now I am set for the very rare 60 FPS HDR content out there.

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I don't agree, I saw the film both in PASSTHROUGH HDR and with Madvr's TONE MAPPING with the addition of a calibration in SDR DCI-P3 and sincerely watching the film with tone mapping is much better .... then with COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING there is only a slight difference in colors that are a little less saturated, so I don't see what the problem is
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Is that trade off worth it? does NGU low allow you to not compromise on this? Or perhaps changing the chroma to Lanczos or bicubic instead? I'd recommend looking at the video to decide what's best for you.

On a 5700XT the only way to watch GEMINI MAN with Madvr tone mapping is to click on COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING, if it is left disabled, even by lowering the CHROMA UPSCALING to CUBIC, or excluding HIGHLIGHT RECOVERY, the rendering will always be high .... or the other way is to use the PASSTHROUGH HDR
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Is it with d3d11 native in Lav?
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