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Old 13th August 2017, 05:43   #2001  |  Link
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I didn't bring the conversation regarding new manufacturing process to mock Intel being second to Samsung and TSMC.

The inability to go to 10nm and the "nm war" are irrelevant to my discussion.

I mentioned the fact that Intel needs a new process to bring a new architecture, because it has stuck to its latest Skylake's architecture since 2015.

So, the problem of manufacturing process is huge for Intel not because it could loose the "nm war" but because it needs a new process to bring a new architecture, like all CPU companies actually, but with one little difference.

Intel has its own fabs and can't give their CPUs to GloFo, Samsung, TSMC etc.

If they can't fix the broken 10nm process they can't deliver a new CPU architecture. It's as simple as that!
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I mentioned the fact that Intel needs a new process to bring a new architecture, because it has stuck to its latest Skylake's architecture since 2015.

If they can't fix the broken 10nm process they can't deliver a new CPU architecture. It's as simple as that!
Why? Can't there be other reasons for the fact they used the same architecture for 3 years? Like, slowing down in development?
Do you know secret stuff about their next architecture that says they absolutely need a newer process to introduce it?
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Old 14th August 2017, 14:42   #2003  |  Link
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The questions you asked me are like:

"Why 1+1 equals 2 ? "
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According to techpowerup.com VEGA supports these:

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The HDMI port is version 2.0, and DisplayPort has been updated to 1.4 HBR3, MST and HDR.

This enables support for 4K @ 120 Hz, 5K @ 60 Hz, or 8K @ 60 Hz.

Supported HDR configurations are 4K60, 4K120, and 5K60, whereas Polaris supported only 4K60 HDR.

GPU-accelerated encoding is now capable of doing HEVC/H.264 at up to 1080p240, 1440p120 and 2160p60.

Hardware-based decode works up to 4K60 for H.264, H.265 and VP9.
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We have to wait for Navi or maybe a VEGA refresh for mainstream, like VEGA 11, could probably have VP9 hardware decoding inside.

AMD is a little (?) slow adopting non mainstream formats (actually the last one of the big three)
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I have just joined this forum to thank edwdevel for detailed review of playback capabilities of gt 1030. I bought it instead of 1050 and I am happy with my purchase. 1050/1050ti ti is very expensive here. And I am not into gaming. Plays even 8k smoothly with W10 Media player. But so far I am not able to use Nvenc or Cuda successfully in Mediacoder,Staxrip and any video converter. I do not know if it is due to hardware limitation or driver problem.

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But so far I am not able to use Nvenc or Cuda successfully in Mediacoder,Staxrip and any video converter.

I do not know if it is due to hardware limitation or driver problem.
What is your OS and drivers ?
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I am not able to use Nvenc or Cuda successfully in Mediacoder,Staxrip and any video converter. I do not know if it is due to hardware limitation or driver problem.
NVIDIA lists the 1030 as not supporting GameStream, which needs NVENC: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/des...specifications
It looks like the 1030 doesn't have NVENC, either in hardware or they disabled it through the drivers/BIOS.
The 1030 is absent from this page too: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus even though they just may have forgotten to update it.
If you run GPU-Z, is the CUDA box in the Computing section checked?
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I've tested 4K Netflix streaming on GT1030 and it does not work, as expected. Test setup:

Hardware: MSI GeForce GT 1030-2GH-OC
OS: Windows 10 Pro, Creators Update, version 1703, build 15063.540
Drivers: 384.94 WHQL and 385.28 WHQL
TV: Sony 850C, directly connected to HDMI, nVidia Control Panel shows that HDCP is enabled
App: Latest Netflix app from Microsoft Store
Output mode: 3840x2160@60Hz, RGB, 8bpp

Can anybody with 1050 and better confirm that it works without Insider Preview version of Windows and "special" driver?
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This thread by someone who got it to work on a Windows 10 Public Release build and driver 384.76 shows it's still flaky: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...lix_4k_without
AFAIK NVIDIA still hasn't updated their Knowledge Base to mark that feature as generally available, so no guarantee yet that it works with public W10 builds and/or public release drivers.

Maybe try the specific driver v384.76 and make sure to follow all the guidelines in that thread?

Oh, and btw: from those screenshots, Netflix uses ~450 MB buffer at 4K, which is massive (= 220 seconds, YouTube only uses ~20-25 secs), and it wouldn't surprise me if the Microsoft DRM forced all the buffer to be kept in VRAM, which could explain the VRAM requirements.
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If someone buys a VEGA 56/64 card, please put a DXVA Checker screenshot here.

Or even if someone finds one posted anywhere on the Net.
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What is your OS and drivers ?
Windows 10 x64 (15063.540), Nvidia drivers 385.28
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I saw in some Linux forums that nvenc works in Ubuntu. If it is indeed so, then nvidia disabled it in drivers. Otherwise the hardware is simply not there like previous GT cards. I will regret my decision to not buy a 1050 ti if hardware is absent. At least I have Ubuntu to try, but I don't know how to test nvenc in Linux.
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The 1030 is absent from this page too: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus even though they just may have forgotten to update it.
I saw that developer page too. Maybe they are lazy. If they had posted about GP108 there, I would have made the right decision.
In GPU-Z it says CUDA 6.1 supported. Also the card runs at max at PCI -E 3.0 x4 only(written on the box).

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make sure you are not using the driver from microsoft update.

i haven't done the math but 4x could be a huge problem.
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make sure you are not using the driver from microsoft update.

i haven't done the math but 4x could be a huge problem.
No, I downloaded from Nvidia website. I just did not pay attention while buying.
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All of my readings regarding that issue across the Net say that usually Nvidia disables HW encoding on GT cards (but not always)

I can't believe they just removed the NVENC HW from GP108 chip, it is easier for them to disable it, what a pitty.

There is a direct question asked in devtalk Nvidia forum, I don't know if it was you.

I'm not sure if Nvidia replies officially, but the same question asked before in devtalk Nvidia forum regarding GT 1030, the reply was that NVENC is not supported by that card.
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I think if we need nvenc we will have to to pay the green tax by buying a GTX. Also same applies for Netflix.
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Is here some mpv user with a GT 1030? I briefly had a chance to play around with a 1030 and noticed that hardware decoding wasn't working for VP9 10 bit, while it was working with LAV Filters.
Could someone please report this for mpv at Github with a logfile like described there?

Edit: GTX 1050 would likely show the same behavior.
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i haven't done the math but 4x could be a huge problem.
For playback? Or encoding? For playback, with Copy-Back the bus load would be around 80% with 2160p60 10 bit, needs testing. Of course now you have the option to use D3D11VA Native, with which the PCI Express interface is barely loaded at all.
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I've given up waiting for relevant information to show up on somewhere on the internet so I decided to buy the GT 1030 and test it myself. Let me first answer my own questions:
  • Can it upscale 1080p60 and output 2160p60 using EVR? Yes, absolutely!
    Can it do it using madVR? Did not test properly yet.
  • Can it decode AVC/HEVC/VP9 2160p60 SDR and output 2160p60 SDR? Yes, absolutely! No problem at all.
    EVR or madVR? Tried only EVR so far
  • Can it decode AVC/HEVC/VP9 2160p60 HDR and just pass it through to a HDR compatible TV, therefore skipping resource-hungry 4K scaling and HDR<->SDR conversion? I managed to set up madVR to trigger HDR mode on TV. However, colors are completely wrong in fullscreen. I need more time figuring out how madVR works

Everything I threw to the card (up to 4K res), it managed to decode and render properly. I've tried most of the HEVC test clips mentioned in this topic and everything works fine except higher than 4K resolutions. VRAM usage at 4K 60fps 10bit HEVC output at 4K@60Hz is up to 1500MB when using EVR.

If anyone has an idea how to set up madVR to do basically nothing and just pass HDR through, please write here. I know that's not what madVR was made for, but it is probably only thing possible using low end video card. Also, I can do some more tests if someone is interested.
I'm using haswell IGP (intel hd 4400)
and one day it died.
I see your post, and I decided to buy gt 1030.
(my budget is on low, and I read we could use two different nvidia GPU in one system for additional multiple display )

yes thanks for your review.
I'm happy gt 1030 could play 4k60fps 5k60fps even hevc smoothly .
also I could play popular pc games with decent quality.
but later I'm a little bit dissapointed after I Found if gt 1030 not support for NVDIA surround
and sadly gt 1030 can't play 8k 60fps video, it capped at 8k @ 24fps.
but it doesn't matter because for this time 4k60fps is enough for me

overall gt 1030 is not bad choice.
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