MP4 files collection (Test CD) for testing "NeroDigital" players + results

[bond]

i now created an own thread about this, so its easier to point people to it:

if someone is interested i now created a collection of all sorts of .mp4 files (different video codecs/options, different audio codecs, aso...) which people can try to find out the real capabilities of their .mp4 supporting mpeg-4 players

you can grab it here

with that you can for example test whether your player supports:
- .mp4 (of course )
- different audio formats in .mp4 (mp2/mp3/aac/alac/vorbis)
- different video formats in .mp4 (mpeg-1/mpeg-2/mpeg-4 asp/mpeg-4 avc/theora)
- different mpeg-4 asp settings (qpel, gmc...)
- subtitles
- chapters
- and much more



only valid for v1/2:
the Test CD is a burning image because it also includes a file stored in mode2form2 (xcd). it should be burnable in any of the big burning programs (eg nero)
if you dont want to test whether xcd works on your player you can also easily extract the files with a tool like isobuster

[lordyu]

Ok, here's my test report on DVP630/05 FW 0531.

\audio\mpeg-1\mp2
01-mp2_2lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4           all ok
02-mp2_2lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4          no sound, video ok

\audio\mpeg-1\mp3
03-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4        all ok
04-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4      all ok
05-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4       no sound, video ok
06-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4        all ok
07-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4      all ok
08-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4       no sound, video ok

\audio\mpeg-4\
09-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4     no sound, video ok
10-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4   no sound, video ok
11-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4    no sound, video ok
12-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4       no sound, video ok
13-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4     no sound, video ok
14-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4      no sound, video ok

\audio\mpeg-4\multichannel
15-aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 no sound, video ok

\video
16-asp-adapt_nero_mp4box.mp4            won't start
17-asp-custom_xvid_mp4box.mp4           no sound, fuzzy video, SYSTEM button doesn't help
18-asp-gmc-1wp_divx_mp4box.mp4          no sound, video ok
19-asp-gmc-3wp_xvid_mp4box.mp4          skip to play next file
20-asp-mpeg_xvid_mp4box.mp4             no sound, video ok
21-asp-qpel_divx_mp4box.mp4             skip to play next file
22-sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4                   no sound, video ok

\video\anamorphic
23-sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4          no sound, video ok
24-sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4           skip to next file in menu

\video\avc
25-avc-base_nero.mp4                    won't start

\video\b-frames
26-asp-1b-pb_divx_3ivx.mp4              no sound, video frozen @1st frame
27-asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4box.mp4            no sound, video frozen @1st frame
28-asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4ui.mp4             skip to play next file
29-asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4                 no sound, video frozen @1st frame
30-asp-3b_xvid_mp4box.mp4               no sound, video frozen @1st frame
31-asp-3b_xvid_mp4ui.mp4                skip to play next file

\video\chapters
32-chapters_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4            no sound, video ok
33-chapters_sp-3ivx_nero-64bitmdat.mp4  won't start

\video\mpeg1-2\
34-mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4        won't start
35-mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4         won't start
36-mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4        won't start
37-mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4         won't start

\special\pictures
38-jpg_mp4box.mp4                       won't start
39-png_mp4box.mp4                       won't start

\special\subtitles
40-timedtext_mp4box.mp4                 no sound, video ok, no subs
41-vobsub_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4              no sound, video ok, no subs
42-vobsub_sp-3ivx_mp4ui.mp4             no sound, video ok, no subs

\special\systems
43-kangaroo.mp4                         won't start

\special\private
44-theora_mp4box.mp4                    won't start
45-vorbis_mp4box.mp4                    won't start
46-alac_itunes.m4a                      doesn't show up in menu

\special\xcd
47-sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4.dat               won't start

No conclusions though.

Here is a batch file to copy from the disc and rename to NN-filename.* if anyone wants. Change the drive letter in the batch file.

[SeeMoreDigital]

This is great stuff....

I wonder if telemachus can break-down his Siemssen SCO5000ND player observations in the same way!

EDIT:

I don't know whether this may help others (should they ever decide to post a report) but, as far as I can determine, bonds MP4 TestCD (v2.0) includes the following files: -

audio folder

audio/mpeg-1 sub-folder
mpeg1/mp2 sub-sub-folder
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4

audio/mpeg1/mp3 sub-folder
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4

audio/mpeg-4 folder
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4

audio/mpeg-4/multichannel sub-folder
aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4

------------------------------------------

special folder

special/pictures folder
jpg_mp4box.mp4
png_mp4box.mp4

special/private folder
alac_itunes.m4a
theora_mp4box.mp4
vorbis_mp4box.mp4

special/subtitles folder
timedtext_mp4box.mp4
vobsub_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4
vobsub_sp-3ivx_mp4ui.mp4

special/systems folder
kangaroo.mp4

special/xcd folder
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4.dat

------------------------------------------

video folder

asp-adapt_nero_mp4box.mp4
asp-custom_xvid_mp4box.mp4
asp-gmc-1wp_divx_mp4box.mp4
asp-gmc-3wp_xvid_mp4box.mp4
asp-mpeg_xvid_mp4box.mp4
asp-qpel_divx_mp4box.mp4
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4

video/anamorphic sub-folder
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4
video/avc sub-folder
avc-base_nero.mp4

video/b-frames sub-folder
asp-1b-pb_divx_3ivx.mp4
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4box.mp4
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4ui.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_mp4ui.mp4

video/chapters sub-folder
chapters_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4
chapters_sp-3ivx_nero-64bitmdat.mp4

video/mpeg1-2 sub-folder
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4

Maybe bond could edit this thread accordingly!


Cheers

[telemachus]

I started to break it down in that way, but it makes no sense, and takes a hell of a long time to compare.

It is much more logical for the breakdown of the test CD to adhere to the CD's own folder structure, not just place all files alphabetically!

That said, I am going to have to go through and reproduce my results anyway, because I did not comment about audio playback for files which were in the Video folders... I concluded that video was being tested and if there was no audio that was fine. I dont know if all/none/some of the files in the Video folder contain audio... do they?

Lordu and others, please could you break down your list according to the testCD's file structure so others who want to compare dont have to search in all sorts of sub directories to find the corresponding file!

TA!

Mark.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by telemachus
I started to break it down in that way, but it makes no sense, and takes a hell of a long time to compare.

It is much more logical for the breakdown of the test CD to adhere to the CD's own folder structure, not just place all files alphabetically!

Maybe it would be easier if bond numbered all his test files

That would give him something to do... bless him!


Cheers

[telemachus]

I think the way Bond has it is good, he has categorised the things already. As soon as they are in one big list, the categories lose their meaning... so I will spit out another report which is an accurate reflection of the test CD... give me 20 mins more... later
mark.

[telemachus]

AUDIO / MPEG-1 / MP2:
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 - no audio video ok

AUDIO / MPEG-1 / MP3:

mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 - no audio video ok
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 - no audio video ok

AUDIO / MPEG4:
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 - plays well
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays well
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 - plays well
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 - plays well
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays well
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 - plays well

AUDIO / MPEG4 / MULTICHANNEL:
aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 plays well

SPECIAL / PICTURES:
jpg_mp4box.mp4 - no playback
png_mp4box.mp4 - no playback

SPECIAL / PRIVATE:
theora_mp4box.mp4 - "cannot play this file"
vorbis_mp4box.mp4 - "cannot play this file"
alac_itunes.m4a - not shown in menu

SPECIAL / SUBTITLES:
timedtext_mp4box.mp4 - no sub
vobsub_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4 - no sub
vobsub_sp-3ivx_mp4ui.mp4 - sub worked

SPECIAL / SYSTEMS:
kangaroo.mp4 - "cannot play this file"

SPECIAL / XCD:
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4.dat - no playback

VIDEO:
asp-adapt_nero_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
asp-custom_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - "cannot play this file"
asp-gmc-1wp_divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
asp-gmc-3wp_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - image freeze on first frame
asp-mpeg_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
asp-qpel_divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4 - plays video


VIDEO / ANAMORPHIC:
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4 - plays video


VIDEO / AVC:
avc-base_nero.mp4 – NO. freezes system

VIDEO / B-FRAMES:
asp-1b-pb_divx_3ivx.mp4 - plays video
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4ui.mp4 - plays video
asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4 - plays video
asp-3b_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - plays video
asp-3b_xvid_mp4ui.mp4 - plays video

VIDEO / CHAPTERS:
chapters_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4 - can navigate < >
chapters_sp-3ivx_nero-64bitmdat.mp4 - can navigate < >

VIDEO / MPEG1-2:
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4 – NO. freezes system
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4 – NO. freezes system
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4 – NO
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4 – NO. freezes system

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by telemachus
AUDIO / MPEG4 / MULTICHANNEL:
aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 plays well

Are you able to confirm if the audio channels are mapped correctly via the 6Ch "analogue" audio outputs?


Cheers

[telemachus]

well, i only have a stereo amp, but can plug and unplug stuff at the back, and I guess it does work because I was testing the movie "Adaption" and could only hear the background sounds, but no dialogue. I then went to the menu and disabled the dolby 5.1 and could then hear the dialogue... but a full test I cannot do.

do you know if there are any cd's available which will test avi/divx/xvid files? I am a little worried about my player - that it does not play a lot of MP2 and MP3 files in MP4 containers. It plays MP3 audio files fine, but I want to check why some of the audio files I play have no audio. If you know where I can dl other test CDs please tell me.

Thanks,
mark.

[lordyu]

Originally posted by telemachus
I started to break it down in that way, but it makes no sense, and takes a hell of a long time to compare.

It is much more logical for the breakdown of the test CD to adhere to the CD's own folder structure, not just place all files alphabetically!

On DVP630, it is easier with numbers due to the filename length limit and it is awkward to browse through the folders to test each file. If you let it play automatically it sometimes skips and you won't know what file it is playing. Also sometimes it has gone crazy e.g., it won't play any of the rest correctly so you have to test with a working file every time you encounter a bad file to make sure the player is still working properly otherwise you have to reboot. With numbers you can, for example, press 3 1 PLAY to play file #31 then it will skip (sometimes start to get crazy) so you can press 0 1 PLAY to play file #01 to make sure it's still working ok before you can test file #32. Putting all files in root folder of a test CD makes it easier you get corresponding file number assigned by the player.

Originally posted by telemachus
Lordu and others, please could you break down your list according to the testCD's file structure so others who want to compare dont have to search in all sorts of sub directories to find the corresponding file!

I've re-arranged the items in the list hope it's better now.

[telemachus]

lordyu
thanks mate!
mark

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi telemachus,

bond's "aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4" contains very simple dialogue....

In fact all that's said is: "left front, centre, right front, right surround, left surround, LFE". Against a background of noise!

So are you confirming that when you play this file - to the end, with your speakers just connected to the players rear speaker outputs, all you hear is the phrase: "right surround, left surround" and nothing else?


Cheers

EDIT: Name corrected... sorry for my over-excitement

[lordyu]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Hi lordyu,

bond's "aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4" contains very simple dialogue....

In fact all that's said is: "left front, centre, right front, right surround, left surround, LFE". Against a background of noise!

So are you confirming that when you play this file - to the end, with your speakers just connected to the players rear speaker outputs, all you hear is the phrase: "right surround, left surround" and nothing else?


Cheers

I don't hear any sound for that one. Or did you mean to ask telemachus?

My player is connected to a cheap 14" TV with only one speaker.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by lordyu
I don't hear any sound for that one. Or did you mean to ask telemachus?

My player is connected to a cheap 14" TV with only one speaker.

Sorry lordyu... yes, I did mean telemachus!


Cheers


EDIT: Encode removed

[lordyu]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Sorry lordyu... yes, I did mean telemachus!

I've also taken the liberty of providing the following, 60 second long 6Ch AAC-LC speaker mapping test file. Which might make things easier


Cheers

Doesn't play at all.

BTW, do I have to abandon Nero Burning ROM 5.5 and install Nero 6 in order to use Nero Recode 2 ?

[telemachus]

hello seemoredigital

i have tried
ND+6ChAAC+2ChAAC+2NoSubs.mp4
ND+1No_2Ch_AAC-LC_audio_tracks+2No_subtitle_tracks.mp4
ND+2No_2Ch_AAC-LC_audio_ tracks.mp4
and all play back fine

those with multitrack audio, i can use the remote control to toggle between comment about the creation of the movie and the dialogue

those with more than one subtitle, i can toggle between them on the remote too (the subtitle appears about 1-2 seconds BEFORE the corresponding audio)

in the file aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 I can hear Left Front, Center, Right Front, then there is a blank pause, then i hear LFE.

I have tried plugging my RCA cables into the surround outputs and switching the dolby thing on in settings, but cannot hear any L&R Surround voice.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by lordyu
Doesn't play at all.

Unfortunately it's not likely too either... Even if Philips upgrade the ESS chip-set to support AAC audio!

Originally posted by lordyu
BTW, do I have to abandon Nero Burning ROM 5.5 and install Nero 6 in order to use Nero Recode 2 ?

It's actually possible to download, install and run NeroVision Express (which includes Recode2) without installing Nero Burning ROM at all.

And personally speaking, I would not mind seeing NeroVision Express or even Recode2, available as a stand-alone purchasable product


Cheers

[telemachus]

Seemoredigital,

the 6Ch AAC-LC speaker mapping test file does not play on my siemssen either. On media player classic it shows a static page saying chapter7 and some explanation, but no audio is playable.

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I've also taken the liberty of providing the following, 60 second long 6Ch AAC-LC speaker mapping test file. Which might make things easier

SMD, please dont publish other .mp4 files you created in that thread! that thread should be about my test cd and nothing else,
note that i spent A LOT of time to create these files and into making sure that they are 100% correct (not fucked up by mp4ui, tested to work correctly, correct channel mapping tested with ac3filter and what not else...)
these are not rushed "and now try this one i quickly made, noone knows how it was created" files!

thanks for your understanding

also note that i am not moderator in that forum, i cant edit threads here...

Originally posted by telemachus
It is much more logical for the breakdown of the test CD to adhere to the CD's own folder structure, not just place all files alphabetically!

exactly!

That said, I am going to have to go through and reproduce my results anyway, because I did not comment about audio playback for files which were in the Video folders... I concluded that video was being tested and if there was no audio that was fine. I dont know if all/none/some of the files in the Video folder contain audio... do they?

exactly!
there is no need to report audio playback in the video test files, as the video test files are for testing video and not audio of course
audio is tested with the files in the audio folder...

Originally posted by lordyu
for example, press 3 1 PLAY to play file #31

so what files get what number if there are multiple folders? or are all files number from one to x in each folder seperately?

Putting all files in root folder of a test CD makes it easier you get corresponding file number assigned by the player.

i wont do that just because the player is crap handling multiple files and folders, this will lead to a big mess
the current structure is on purpose and i think its useful and keeps order in the bunch of files

but of course everyone can extract the files from the image with isobuster and burn them on CD as he wishes

[bond]

thanks a lot for these results!

to sum the .mp4 support up:

regarding mpeg-4 asp features (it doesnt matter what encoder you use, be it divx, xvid, 3ivx, nero...)
the player supports:
- qpel
- gmc 1wp (as used in divx5)
- mpeg quantisation
- h263 quantisation
- adaptive quantisation
the player doesnt support:
- gmc 3wp (as used in xvid and nerodigital)
- custom quantisation (sample uses hvs_best matrix)

regarding audio, the player supports
- only aac audio in .mp4
- multichannel aac audio streams!!!

regarding other .mp4 features:
it doesnt support:
- pictures in .mp4, altough it supports playback of jpg not in .mp4
- mp2 audio in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mp2 in .mpg
- mp3 audio in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mp3 not in .mp4
- mpeg-1 video in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mpeg-1 in .mpg
- mpeg-2 video in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mpeg-2 in .mpg
- mpeg-4 avc in .mp4
- mpeg-4 timed text
- mpeg-4 systems

regarding different .mp4 muxers:
- all tested, mp4box, 3ivx, mp4ui, nero, worked fine (of course as they all should produce the same mpeg-4 compliant output)
- the player also seems to support packed bitstream in .mp4, as produced by mp4ui on the b-frame divx sample

other things:
- it doesnt support the .m4a extension as used by apple's itunes
- it doesnt support XCD
- it supports vobsub subtitles (as used by nero)
- it supports chapters (also if set via nero's dshow muxer in graphedit!)