idea for a player list

Doom9 · 9th November 2004, 11:59

I know videohelp.com has a large list of DVD players and I do not wish to duplicate that, but what it is sorely lacking is a crucial piece of info (well, it's more than that but anyway): what chipset is being used.

How about we start a list of players with their chipsets used in this very place. I often see some DivX capable DVD players advertised, but without knowing the chipset, the whole featurelist is kinda useless. Having the same chipset bounds what a player can do. I'm currently looking around to replace my old elta 8882, and I don't particularly care about brand, but I very much care about the chipset and I'm not gonna buy a Sigma 85xx or ESS based player as those chipsets simply aren't up to the task.

Then perhaps we could add the player's MPEG-4 specific features as well. What do you think?

9th November 2004, 13:26

It is definitely a good idea, it's very difficult to find specific information on MPEG-4 players such as: QPEL support, subtitle support, does it output AC-3 as a digital stream, etc..

Maybe have some downloadable files to test each feature?

telemachus · 9th November 2004, 23:14

Doom9, which chipset are you favouring?

I just had a bad experience with Kiss 1000, played about 50% of my disks but could not play MP3 disks without freezing after a couple of tracks... so I am looking too.

Thanks,
Mark.

Doom9 · 11th November 2004, 20:12

Well.. until recently the MediaTek was definitely the way to go, now with the new zoran (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84327) , sigma (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84003) and amlogic (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82325) I'm not sure which is the one to go for. Though as far as I know, there's no chipset that does the full MPEG-4 ASP@L5. But any of those chipsets should be okay. Don't go for any ESS chipset or the old Sigma ones (85xx series), they're definitely outdated.

telemachus · 11th November 2004, 22:34

hi again,

thanks for the threads... i will read em.

one thing I did like about the kiss-1000 is its ability to show MP3 tag info, something Yamada tech support say the 6600 cannot do because of chip limitations. I wonder if any of these new chips can handle showing MP3 tag info. (and one with a decent LED showing tag info with the TV off would be amazing.

till later,

Mark.

Zhnujm · 11th November 2004, 23:26

Philips 720SA and Yamaha DVD-S550 show ID3 Tags on screen and display (scrolling).
And dont belive this "chip limitations" crap, thats only a poor excuse from the manufacturer.
Its only a matter of firmware.
Elta for example say the same for their 8883 (same chip as yamada 6600), but what a wonder, with the right firmware from a different player it shows id3 tags...

Leak · 12th November 2004, 08:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Zhnujm
Elta for example say the same for their 8883 (same chip as yamada 6600), but what a wonder, with the right firmware from a different player it shows id3 tags...

Since Elta hasn't really been updating their firmware - which firmware did you use, and did you run into any problems? And you wouldn't happen to have a link to it?

telemachus · 12th November 2004, 08:23

Hi there Zhnujm

This is so confusing. Here is the email Yamada Tech support sent me regarding the differences between the 66 and 6700 as well as Tag Info...

"Both players are using the same chipset, so there is no big
difference. DVX6700 does also support OGG file format directly, firmware for this and DVX6600 is in development and will should be released shortly. Concerning MP3 features none of the MTK chipsets do support additional MP3 playback functions properly. Some ESS or Zoran based players do support this but they are not so powerfull for MPEG4 and DVD Playback like MTK chipset which is used in DVX6600 and DVX6700."

Im not sure what he means by MTK chipsets, since i thought the chipset they used was a 1389?

Thanks forthe input,

Mark.

Leak · 12th November 2004, 08:35

Quote:

Originally posted by telemachus
Im not sure what he means by MTK chipsets, since i thought the chipset they used was a 1389?

MTK means "MediaTek" and is the company that produces the 1389 chipsets.

HTH.

Zhnujm · 12th November 2004, 17:18

Quote:

Originally posted by telemachus
Concerning MP3 features none of the MTK chipsets do support additional MP3 playback functions properly.

Well, i dont know what he means with "additional MP3 functions", but id3 tags could not be the problem. Both Philips 720 and Yamaha 550 are also Mediatek 1389 based (and show id3 tags).

@Leak:
I was trying the firmware from the fortune mp151, it shows id3 tags in the right side of the browers window and also has a nice outlined and centered font for divx subtitles, but unfortunatly you wont have any sound output if oyu use this firmware with the elta.

SeeMoreDigital · 12th November 2004, 18:21

A damned fine idea Doom9,

If some members confirm which players support the ESS chip-set, I will be more than happy to create a list in the ESS chip-set based - Player Information thread. Which I guess could be used for cross referencing.

Cheers

Doom9 · 12th November 2004, 18:39

well let me start then:

elta 8882: Sigma 8500
gran prix: MTK 1389GE

though for a feature list we'd need some standard test disc.. and you might recall many vain attempts to come up with an universal testing procedure that actually works.

though those two players offer the basic features you can expect from that chipset. the elta plays ogg vorbis as a bonus but that's about it.

Zhnujm · 13th November 2004, 20:47

Mediatek 1389EE:
Philips 720SA
Yamaha DVD-S550
Pioneer 575
Pioneer 470

Mediatek 1389DE:
elta 8883
Bellagio/Gericom AD2020
Xoro HSD 311pro
Xoro HSD 400pro
Yakumo DVD Master DX4
Yamada 6600
Amstrad 3016
Ascomtec 3006
Ascomtec 3004
Apex DVX 2102
Scott 842 (also Sigma Version)

Mediatek 1389GE:
Denver DVD-438

Mediatek 1389??:
Fortune MP151
H&B DX-3220
LG DV8931H
Nevir NVR 2046
Zensonic 300
Zensonic 330
GrandPrix DVD 404

ESS Vibratto-S:
Yamada 6000
Yamada 6100
Xoro HSD 400plus
Xoro HSD 311
Philips DVD737
SEG DVX 338
Tevion DVD 3000

ESS Vibratto-II:
Philips 630/632
Xoro HSD 415
Xoro HSD 310
JVC XV-N316/315

ESS ??:
Centrum Gemini 330
Centrum Gemini 332
Centrum Gemini 340
Hiteker 940
Tevion DVD 4000

Sigma 85x0:
Yamakawa 365
Yamakawa 375
Hiteker 920
LiteOn LVD2001
elta 8882
Scott 842 (also Mediatek Version)
Kiss DP-450
Kiss DP-470
Kiss DP-500
Kiss DP-1000
Kiss DP-1500
TransGear DVX-500e

Zoran Vaddis 7:
Cyberhome 462
Toshiba SD-340
Samsung DVD-HD745
Samsung DVD-HD945
Samsung DVD-P244

SeeMoreDigital · 13th November 2004, 21:07

Zhnujm's done it again!

It's about time we had a moderator in this section... how about it Doom9?

Mtz · 13th November 2004, 22:50

MediaTek 1389 DE
E-Boda DV-555X (Standard Version)

MediaTek 1389 FE
E-Boda DV-555X (310 FE Version)

Both Versions read divx subtitles. Centered and outlined. Can be selected from the menu the colour of subtitle (Yellow and White) and the Size of subtitles (Big and Small).
Available only in Romania.

I'm an subtitles fan so I presented the features regarding subtitles. Other subtitles fans can use various firmwares modified by me regarding the quality of the subtitles font here:
http://www.div.xro.us/

enjoy,
Mtz

Doom9 · 13th November 2004, 22:59

NeuNeo MPEG-4 player: AML3285/AML3295

@Zhnujm: Great job. How do you feel about SMD's suggestion?

spectra · 17th November 2004, 14:41

here are some Chipsetinfos
http://forum.surdvd.com/viewtopic.php?t=29726

and here are comparisions of the players including fw revisions (french but not hard to guess):
http://www.divxtest.com/resultats.php3

they also have a divx test-cd so you can send in your own tests.

9th November 2004, 11:59	#1 \| Link
Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	idea for a player list I know videohelp.com has a large list of DVD players and I do not wish to duplicate that, but what it is sorely lacking is a crucial piece of info (well, it's more than that but anyway): what chipset is being used. How about we start a list of players with their chipsets used in this very place. I often see some DivX capable DVD players advertised, but without knowing the chipset, the whole featurelist is kinda useless. Having the same chipset bounds what a player can do. I'm currently looking around to replace my old elta 8882, and I don't particularly care about brand, but I very much care about the chipset and I'm not gonna buy a Sigma 85xx or ESS based player as those chipsets simply aren't up to the task. Then perhaps we could add the player's MPEG-4 specific features as well. What do you think? __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

9th November 2004, 23:14	#3 \| Link
telemachus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 101	chipset Doom9, which chipset are you favouring? I just had a bad experience with Kiss 1000, played about 50% of my disks but could not play MP3 disks without freezing after a couple of tracks... so I am looking too. Thanks, Mark.

11th November 2004, 20:12	#4 \| Link
Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	Well.. until recently the MediaTek was definitely the way to go, now with the new zoran (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84327) , sigma (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84003) and amlogic (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82325) I'm not sure which is the one to go for. Though as far as I know, there's no chipset that does the full MPEG-4 ASP@L5. But any of those chipsets should be okay. Don't go for any ESS chipset or the old Sigma ones (85xx series), they're definitely outdated. __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

11th November 2004, 22:34	#5 \| Link
telemachus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 101	MP3 Tag info hi again, thanks for the threads... i will read em. one thing I did like about the kiss-1000 is its ability to show MP3 tag info, something Yamada tech support say the 6600 cannot do because of chip limitations. I wonder if any of these new chips can handle showing MP3 tag info. (and one with a decent LED showing tag info with the TV off would be amazing. till later, Mark.

12th November 2004, 08:23	#8 \| Link
telemachus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 101	MP3 Tag info - Chipset or Firmware Hi there Zhnujm This is so confusing. Here is the email Yamada Tech support sent me regarding the differences between the 66 and 6700 as well as Tag Info... "Both players are using the same chipset, so there is no big difference. DVX6700 does also support OGG file format directly, firmware for this and DVX6600 is in development and will should be released shortly. Concerning MP3 features none of the MTK chipsets do support additional MP3 playback functions properly. Some ESS or Zoran based players do support this but they are not so powerfull for MPEG4 and DVD Playback like MTK chipset which is used in DVX6600 and DVX6700." Im not sure what he means by MTK chipsets, since i thought the chipset they used was a 1389? Thanks forthe input, Mark.

9th November 2004, 13:26	#2 \| Link
FlimsyFeet Guest Posts: n/a	It is definitely a good idea, it's very difficult to find specific information on MPEG-4 players such as: QPEL support, subtitle support, does it output AC-3 as a digital stream, etc.. Maybe have some downloadable files to test each feature?

11th November 2004, 23:26	#6 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	Philips 720SA and Yamaha DVD-S550 show ID3 Tags on screen and display (scrolling). And dont belive this "chip limitations" crap, thats only a poor excuse from the manufacturer. Its only a matter of firmware. Elta for example say the same for their 8883 (same chip as yamada 6600), but what a wonder, with the right firmware from a different player it shows id3 tags...

12th November 2004, 18:21	#11 \| Link
SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	A damned fine idea Doom9, If some members confirm which players support the ESS chip-set, I will be more than happy to create a list in the ESS chip-set based - Player Information thread. Which I guess could be used for cross referencing. Cheers __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \|

12th November 2004, 18:39	#12 \| Link
Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	well let me start then: elta 8882: Sigma 8500 gran prix: MTK 1389GE though for a feature list we'd need some standard test disc.. and you might recall many vain attempts to come up with an universal testing procedure that actually works. though those two players offer the basic features you can expect from that chipset. the elta plays ogg vorbis as a bonus but that's about it. __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

13th November 2004, 20:47	#13 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	Mediatek 1389EE: Philips 720SA Yamaha DVD-S550 Pioneer 575 Pioneer 470 Mediatek 1389DE: elta 8883 Bellagio/Gericom AD2020 Xoro HSD 311pro Xoro HSD 400pro Yakumo DVD Master DX4 Yamada 6600 Amstrad 3016 Ascomtec 3006 Ascomtec 3004 Apex DVX 2102 Scott 842 (also Sigma Version) Mediatek 1389GE: Denver DVD-438 Mediatek 1389??: Fortune MP151 H&B DX-3220 LG DV8931H Nevir NVR 2046 Zensonic 300 Zensonic 330 GrandPrix DVD 404 ESS Vibratto-S: Yamada 6000 Yamada 6100 Xoro HSD 400plus Xoro HSD 311 Philips DVD737 SEG DVX 338 Tevion DVD 3000 ESS Vibratto-II: Philips 630/632 Xoro HSD 415 Xoro HSD 310 JVC XV-N316/315 ESS ??: Centrum Gemini 330 Centrum Gemini 332 Centrum Gemini 340 Hiteker 940 Tevion DVD 4000 Sigma 85x0: Yamakawa 365 Yamakawa 375 Hiteker 920 LiteOn LVD2001 elta 8882 Scott 842 (also Mediatek Version) Kiss DP-450 Kiss DP-470 Kiss DP-500 Kiss DP-1000 Kiss DP-1500 TransGear DVX-500e Zoran Vaddis 7: Cyberhome 462 Toshiba SD-340 Samsung DVD-HD745 Samsung DVD-HD945 Samsung DVD-P244

13th November 2004, 21:07	#14 \| Link
SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	Zhnujm's done it again! It's about time we had a moderator in this section... how about it Doom9? __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \|

13th November 2004, 22:50	#15 \| Link
Mtz Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On The Beach Posts: 714	MediaTek 1389 DE E-Boda DV-555X (Standard Version) MediaTek 1389 FE E-Boda DV-555X (310 FE Version) Both Versions read divx subtitles. Centered and outlined. Can be selected from the menu the colour of subtitle (Yellow and White) and the Size of subtitles (Big and Small). Available only in Romania. I'm an subtitles fan so I presented the features regarding subtitles. Other subtitles fans can use various firmwares modified by me regarding the quality of the subtitles font here: http://www.div.xro.us/ enjoy, Mtz

13th November 2004, 22:59	#16 \| Link
Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	NeuNeo MPEG-4 player: AML3285/AML3295 @Zhnujm: Great job. How do you feel about SMD's suggestion? __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

17th November 2004, 14:41	#17 \| Link
spectra Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 59	here are some Chipsetinfos http://forum.surdvd.com/viewtopic.php?t=29726 and here are comparisions of the players including fw revisions (french but not hard to guess): http://www.divxtest.com/resultats.php3 they also have a divx test-cd so you can send in your own tests. Last edited by spectra; 17th November 2004 at 14:45.

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