cce 2.5 vs. 2.6x

KF · 7th January 2002, 12:30

Is there any difference in quality and speed between cce 2.5 sp and the newer versions such as 2.62?

Doom9 · 7th January 2002, 12:56

no.. it's purely fixes in the audio department for amd cpus (it's still buggy and still way inferior to toolame so deactivate audio in cce always).

KF · 7th January 2002, 13:05

Thanks for that, let's hope that the make significant improvements in their next version.

Yakumo · 7th January 2002, 13:41

Of cource there are different between 2,5 and 2.6.
cce 2.5 cann't use avi files that are bigger than 2 gb.
cce 2.6 can use avi files bigger than 2 gb.

Greetz, Yakumo

therick · 14th January 2002, 21:01

Dude what are you talking about? I have been doing 2GB+ (more in the area of 20+ GB) files with 2.5 for months! Just started an encode this morning from a 37 GB capture....

gldblade · 14th January 2002, 21:26

>Dude what are you talking about? I have been doing 2GB+ (more in the area of 20+ GB) files with 2.5 for months! Just started an encode this morning from a 37 GB capture....

Are those avi files or what? Because last time I checked, the filesize limit for normal avi files is 2 gb. Unless your using OpenDML, in which case I think you can go up to 4gb. And then there's also the filesize restriction that the Windows itself imposes on ALL files due to the FAT filesystem it uses.

If you are not encoding avi files, you need to read closer. Yakumo specifically said "avi files" in his/her reply.

ritmo2k · 14th January 2002, 22:08

Who uses Fat fs anyway, that would mean your on iether a crappy OS(win9x) or you are on NT, but dont know ntfs gives better performance!

I havent used Fat since like 1994.

<grin>

gldblade · 14th January 2002, 23:41

Yes, I'm using Win9x.

Just wondering, does the avi filesize limit of 2 gb apply in WinNT, or is that just a Win9x thing? To the best of my understanding, the 2 gb thing is related to the avi specifications, but I'm not too sure about that.

therick · 15th January 2002, 06:27

"the Windows itself imposes (a 2GB limit) on ALL files due to the FAT filesystem it uses"

No, no, no! Windows imposes no file sizes...the file sizes are determined by the file system (like you have stated here)...NOT Windows!

"does the avi filesize limit of 2 gb apply in WinNT, or is that just a Win9x thing?"

Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 - NTFS or Fat 32
Windows 95, 98, & 98 SE - Fat 32 ONLY

NTFS - ~200GB (or something more than you'll ever need)
FAT32 - 2GB

So yes, if you use win9x, you will be limited to 2GB...but why??? Just upgrade! I have never joined an AVI in my life....and I don't plan to now! I have a WinTV card (very common old bt 848 chipset) with 2000 drivers loaded and VDub gives me great quality and no problems....

so basically I would recommend going to Windows 2000 - I crash less in 2000 dealing with 30GB files than I did with 50MB files in 98...and NTFS utilizes size better and takes half the time to defrag...so I don't understand people holding on to Windows 98 (that is of course uless your card isn't supported....)

Sorry if this comes off as me being a dick but I have had a few and just got out of class with a prof who can only be described as a speech nazi.....

vietnguyen25 · 18th January 2002, 07:42

There are some minor change. The sound are better in the plugin and the encoding is a little bit faster.

KF · 18th January 2002, 15:12

If it's only file size than I can put up with using avisynth to join up separate avi files. Whilst I'm using avisynth then I get the possibilities of different source types, high quality resize, deinterlace and ivtc.
But I would like all this to be supported natively by CCE so that I can just drop my files into cce and set up common templates and hit go.

Oh for Utopia...

gldblade · 18th January 2002, 22:03

>No, no, no! Windows imposes no file sizes...the file sizes are determined by the file system (like you have stated here)...NOT Windows!

Sorry, I just associated Windows with the filesystem. I didn't mean that Windows itself restricts the filesizes, but the filesystem it uses.

Movieslut · 19th January 2002, 20:48

....which is invented by Microsoft, hence Windows

markrb · 19th January 2002, 21:11

Just to stick my nose where it doesn't belong.

Fat32 file size limitation is 4GB not 2GB.

Mark

chainsaw135 · 19th January 2002, 22:07

Laugh thats all i can after that post Mark

Kedirekin · 20th January 2002, 14:48

And just to stick my nose in...

I *have* run into the 2 GB avi file size limit in CCE 2.5 on NTFS. I have to frame serve via vDub or AviSynth in order to encode captures longer than about 8 minutes (with Huffy codec).

gldblade · 20th January 2002, 17:11

Yes, the filesize limit on FAT32 is 4gb. You can see that if you try to combine more than 4 vobs together. However, the filesize limit for avi is 2gb. I don't know why this is so...

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KF Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 34	cce 2.5 vs. 2.6x Is there any difference in quality and speed between cce 2.5 sp and the newer versions such as 2.62?

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	no.. it's purely fixes in the audio department for amd cpus (it's still buggy and still way inferior to toolame so deactivate audio in cce always). __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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therick User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 36	Dude what are you talking about? I have been doing 2GB+ (more in the area of 20+ GB) files with 2.5 for months! Just started an encode this morning from a 37 GB capture.... __________________ "I can't die until the government finds a safe place to bury my liver." RR

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ritmo2k Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 134	Fat? Who uses Fat fs anyway, that would mean your on iether a crappy OS(win9x) or you are on NT, but dont know ntfs gives better performance! I havent used Fat since like 1994. <grin> __________________ jlc

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therick User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 36	"the Windows itself imposes (a 2GB limit) on ALL files due to the FAT filesystem it uses" No, no, no! Windows imposes no file sizes...the file sizes are determined by the file system (like you have stated here)...NOT Windows! "does the avi filesize limit of 2 gb apply in WinNT, or is that just a Win9x thing?" Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 - NTFS or Fat 32 Windows 95, 98, & 98 SE - Fat 32 ONLY NTFS - ~200GB (or something more than you'll ever need) FAT32 - 2GB So yes, if you use win9x, you will be limited to 2GB...but why??? Just upgrade! I have never joined an AVI in my life....and I don't plan to now! I have a WinTV card (very common old bt 848 chipset) with 2000 drivers loaded and VDub gives me great quality and no problems.... so basically I would recommend going to Windows 2000 - I crash less in 2000 dealing with 30GB files than I did with 50MB files in 98...and NTFS utilizes size better and takes half the time to defrag...so I don't understand people holding on to Windows 98 (that is of course uless your card isn't supported....) Sorry if this comes off as me being a dick but I have had a few and just got out of class with a prof who can only be described as a speech nazi..... __________________ "I can't die until the government finds a safe place to bury my liver." RR

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KF Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 34	Thanks for that, let's hope that the make significant improvements in their next version.

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Yakumo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16	Of cource there are different between 2,5 and 2.6. cce 2.5 cann't use avi files that are bigger than 2 gb. cce 2.6 can use avi files bigger than 2 gb. Greetz, Yakumo

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gldblade XviD Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 313	>Dude what are you talking about? I have been doing 2GB+ (more in the area of 20+ GB) files with 2.5 for months! Just started an encode this morning from a 37 GB capture.... Are those avi files or what? Because last time I checked, the filesize limit for normal avi files is 2 gb. Unless your using OpenDML, in which case I think you can go up to 4gb. And then there's also the filesize restriction that the Windows itself imposes on ALL files due to the FAT filesystem it uses. If you are not encoding avi files, you need to read closer. Yakumo specifically said "avi files" in his/her reply.

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gldblade XviD Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 313	Yes, I'm using Win9x. Just wondering, does the avi filesize limit of 2 gb apply in WinNT, or is that just a Win9x thing? To the best of my understanding, the 2 gb thing is related to the avi specifications, but I'm not too sure about that.

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vietnguyen25 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 8	There are some minor change. The sound are better in the plugin and the encoding is a little bit faster.

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KF Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 34	If it's only file size than I can put up with using avisynth to join up separate avi files. Whilst I'm using avisynth then I get the possibilities of different source types, high quality resize, deinterlace and ivtc. But I would like all this to be supported natively by CCE so that I can just drop my files into cce and set up common templates and hit go. Oh for Utopia...

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gldblade XviD Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 313	>No, no, no! Windows imposes no file sizes...the file sizes are determined by the file system (like you have stated here)...NOT Windows! Sorry, I just associated Windows with the filesystem. I didn't mean that Windows itself restricts the filesizes, but the filesystem it uses.

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Movieslut Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 87	....which is invented by Microsoft, hence Windows

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markrb Old fart Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,589	Just to stick my nose where it doesn't belong. Fat32 file size limitation is 4GB not 2GB. Mark

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chainsaw135 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,065	Laugh thats all i can after that post Mark

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Kedirekin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,110	And just to stick my nose in... I have run into the 2 GB avi file size limit in CCE 2.5 on NTFS. I have to frame serve via vDub or AviSynth in order to encode captures longer than about 8 minutes (with Huffy codec).

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gldblade XviD Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 313	Yes, the filesize limit on FAT32 is 4gb. You can see that if you try to combine more than 4 vobs together. However, the filesize limit for avi is 2gb. I don't know why this is so...

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