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27th October 2012, 16:37 | #15101 | Link |
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Having more thoughts about it, there's also LUT Manager that can load and save CLUT data, but I'm cool with Argyll's CLUT being applied in 8bit atm
I guess I could merge the .cal file inside the yRGB 3DLUT using that .ti3 parser, but phewwwww PQ already kills as is and that'd need a truckload of double-checking in order to ensure that everything is processed as it should and I got better things to do atm. I need the CLUT to be applied on the windows desktop when mVR is not using it inside the 3DLUT so that'd make things even more complicated I guess.. Last edited by leeperry; 27th October 2012 at 16:45. |
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Why is there more than one gamma ramp mechanism that can be used by the graphics card? The ability to apply profiles on top of each other makes no sense whatsoever, in any case.
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3DLUT is applied to the RAMDAC during madVR playback I believe. Which beings us back to the question: If someone has calibrated their monitor with a 3DLUT and wants it applied to their desktop in addition to madVR, what should they do? |
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Edit: It appears that you need to restart madVR before any change to the "disable GPU gamma ramps" option becomes effective. Quote:
On the desktop, you would use a calibrated gamma ramp from an ICC profile, which won't offer gamut correction outside ICC color manged applications. Last edited by cyberbeing; 28th October 2012 at 00:57. |
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I have a question regarding which will give better PQ.
set up -i7 sandy 2670qm, m8900 (sort of a desktop 6850m) content - 1080i -> 2560*1440p Situation is either 1.Anything +AR but Jinc3(even w.o AR) in chroma/upscale + GPU deinterlacing(either auto or all the way forced vector adaptive) 2.Any algorithum with AR + yadif/software deinterlacing So the question really is : do gpu deinterlacing worth dropping jinc3? |
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Edited: Er... How does it work? Last edited by TheElix; 27th October 2012 at 22:28. |
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The 3DLUT would be used for performing gamut corrections, and optionally fine-tuning the whitepoint and gamma via shaders. The GPU gamma ramp would be applied on top as the blunt of the gamma and whitepoint correction needed for your display. |
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28th October 2012, 00:26 | #15111 | Link |
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I noticed that in newer versions of MPC-HC, the seek bar has little black bars which show where each chapter begins/ends. Having these in the seek bar is really useful when playing a video with multiple sections (Advert breaks/Opening/Ending etc) Do you think you could add a feature like this into the Seekbar for Fullscreen exclusive mode?
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You should save at least one image with the Alt + I command to set the destination folder and image type. (it defaults to a low quality JPG, I set it to PNG) and after that, hitting F5 should save to that directory with the type of image you selected. Note: this saves an unscaled screenshot. Quote:
So if you are showing a bright image on a display, black level almost doesn't matter, because it is below the threshold of what your eye can see simultaneously. (your eye tends to "expose" based on the brightest object) If you are watching a dark film in a dark room, then a display with 10,000:1 contrast (5,000:1 once calibrated) is nowhere near enough to put black level below the threshold of what your eye can detect. You need in excess of 100,000:1 contrast at calibrated levels (100cd/mē white) before the screen stops "glowing" when displaying black. The eye is very good at detecting the contrast between a dark screen, and the total darkness of the room. Samsung announced that their OLED has 150,000:1 at 600cd/mē peak white, which puts it at only 25,000:1 once calibrated (assuming their numbers are accurate) because OLED is like Plasma where lowering peak brightness has no impact on black level unlike LCD. (with LCD, lowering the backlight lowers both peak brightness and black level) With projectors, the reference level is only 48cd/mē which means they actually require even higher contrast ratios for the same black level perception. (I actually find 48 a lot more comfortable on a flat panel in a dark room as well) This is why it's disappointing that even though JVC have projectors with a 130,000:1 native contrast ratio, they still refuse to implement a dynamic iris. I have not seen the very latest X95 projector, but their previous 90,000:1 CR projectors were still not enough to stop black "glowing" in a dark room. If they implemented a dynamic iris in addition to having such a high native contrast ratio, I bet it would be able to push black level below the limit of human perception in all but the darkest scenes. Hopefully this will change once laser/LED sources are used in HT projectors, as you can adjust the brightness far better than a dynamic iris allows. (though I feel that Sony already have a very good iris implementation that is transparent in most cases now) |
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Which at times may not be useful as what you may wish to capture is the scaling.
I just set up a shortcut key for automatic FSE mode mode disable/enable & or the 10 seconds options use them when required and hit Print screen. |
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Hi guys, just a little OT. I want to know if my 'chain' is configured the correct way so the colors and blacks&whites are displayed correct:
MY SOURCE (HTPC) settings: - NVIDIA graphics card with latest driver and I use the HDMI output of my card. - Media Player Classic with madVR as output renderer with output setting PC Levels (0-255). - using LAV video decoder with all the 'Output Formats' checked and 'RGB Output Levels' set to 'Untouched (as input)'. - I m also using ffdshow Raw Video Decoder: Raw Video to 'All Supported' and in the Output settings only checked the box 'YV12'. MY DISPLAY DEVICE (JVC RS55 projector) settings: - Color Profile The manual of my projector says I have to choose a profile here that suits the input source. A have a few settings I can choose here (I will quote the manual). Which is the correct one to choose?? (looking at the content I m watching*) *I think it is also important to mention the content I m running. I m running only a few different types of content. Full Blu-Ray movies (BDMV structure folder or .m2ts files) and .mov trailers from HDtrailers.net 1. Standard This is a HDTV profile with an especially rich representation of the film-specific colors 2. Cinema1 This is a profile that resembles the color space of the DCI standard 3. Cinema2 This is a profile that resembles the color space of HDTV - HDMI Color Space Input I can choose 'Y Pb/Cb', 'Pr/Cr' or 'RGB' here. I assume I have to choose RBG? - HDMI dynamic range Input I can choose 'Standard (16-235)', 'Enhanced (0-255)' or 'Super White' here. I think I have to use 'Enhanced (0-255)' but what s the 'Super White' option for? (I quote the manual about the explanation of the Super White option: ''It is set if the dynamic range of the input video scale level is 16-255. Please set the output to video equipment compatible with Super White for Super White-enabled DVD / BR etc.'' Thanks for all input! Last edited by THX-UltraII; 28th October 2012 at 07:47. |
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Hi all, I followed this guide to the letter. I think I got everything working properly.
My plasma(Panasonic G10) is hooked to the GTX660 via HDMI cable. The GPU is outputting 0-255 to the TV and madVR is set to 16-235(which is the only colorspace my TV supports). Most movies play perfectly fine, however some files require me to change the colorspace to 0-255(even though my TV doesn't support it) in madVR, otherwise the picture is too bright, washed out... Here's a clip of one of those video files. I'm just curious as to why this happens with some files. |
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If so, try going into Nvidia control panel and change the colorspace there also. See here for the whole story, and chech out the black level test patterns and try them out. |
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I finally understood why so many do not recommend using htpc as a source to calibrate. If I choose to use ycms, is it correct understood that ycms values should be taken from an already calibrated monitor .. A monitor that is calibrated using a blu-ray player? |
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