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5th June 2011, 21:18 | #7922 | Link |
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madshi, thanks for the nice update!
Made some tests of 0.62. Playback of 60fps files on 60Hz is very smooth with 8 pre-presented frames (no glitches). Very rare glitches with 4 pre-presented frames. Practically the same as 0.61 or maybe a little better. I've noticed some improvement in playback of 25fps videos on my 60Hz display, I think it's better than 0.61. And D3D11 is now better and smoother than D3D9. I think it's close to EVR. Some words about new dithering setting. My display has "virtual 10-bit" panel (8-bit + FRC) but in madVR my best setting is 7-bit. It is the best tradeoff between noise and banding (used colors.ytp for the tests). Last edited by Gleb Egorych; 5th June 2011 at 21:20. |
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Sorry I kind of clarified my own question and edited it. How do I know whether my monitor is using 601 or 709 though? When I calibrate my monitor, it's done for photo editing (2.2 at 6500K) on an NEC EA231WMi.
Edit: There's actually a drop down option for BT 709 I just realized. Should I assume to use BT 601 until I create my own profile for BT 709? Last edited by JarrettH; 5th June 2011 at 21:28. |
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No, you shouldn't have to change anything depending on the video you playback. You should set up the display "properties" once and then forget about it. madVR should automatically perform all necessary conversions, depending on whether you play PAL, NTSC or HD content. madVR just wants to know what your display is calibrated to (or nearest to) so the conversions are done in the best possible way. Last edited by madshi; 5th June 2011 at 21:31. |
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how do you calibrate yCMS for use with madVR? is there a separate package i need to get and place in the madVR folder?
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@madshi
Many thanks for this update. Even with the default settings (which I always stick to), the colors on my display seem far more natural on the content I have tested and I have also noticed the PQ seems slightly sharper as well on default settings - anyone else noticed that ?
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I have selected it and clicked apply, madVR doesn't ask for anything, and it has net access, even restarted the player
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I understand that this behaviour might be confusing. I'll consider changing the settings dialog so that it forces you to enter gamut measurements when you activate the "calibrate this display by using yCMS" option. |
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It looks like either 0.62 and/or the new Nvidia drivers have fixed this now, as I don't seem to be having problems using the switcher. Quote:
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A couple of questions about the new options: You now have the option to specify 10-bit for the display. Does this mean FSE will now output greater than 10-bit? (and could you please add it to the OSD if that is the case?) From testing in Windowed mode, as bringing up the preferences kicks you out of FSE (a keyboard shortcut might be a useful addition) using 7-bit seems to work best on my "10-bit" LCD - though that may just be because it's only getting 8-bit sent to it, and 7-bit's dithering masks the edges slightly better with colors.ytp I'm definitely excited about being able to leave my display calibrated to 2.20 for desktop work, and having madVR output 2.35 gamma (what film is intended to be played back at) without changing display presets. Currently I have display and target output both set to 2.35. In theory, this should be no different from 2.20, is that correct? A problem I'm having that happened occasionally in 0.61, and now more frequently in 0.62, is that if I leave FSE by any method other than hitting CTRL + Enter, I get massive amounts of dropped frames. Usually alt-tabbing to something else and back to MPC-HC fixes this. It's not a major issue, as I will watch in FSE, but it's a pain to have it happen when I just wanted to quickly change subtitle settings etc. Last edited by 6233638; 5th June 2011 at 22:36. |
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@madshi - holy snikes man! I have to concur with the others who say that DVD PQ is VASTLY improved! I have my TV calibrated to BT.709. Whatever you did to the color space changed the clarity of the PQ immensely. It now beats PDVD10 which was my gold standard for DVD...until now. Fantastic!
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I have a specific test video section for testing DVD quality. I used it to hammer on ArcSoft until they fixed DVD quality for the AMD cards in TMT5. PDVD10 was literally the best I'd seen on it until now. madVR before wasn't BAD, but, it wasn't as good as PDVD which was odd since I use the PDVD video decoder to decode all my video. Anyway, this particular video will show any kind of colorspace issues and I really should have picked up on that before with madVR....it was too dark. The movie and scene I'm referring to? Empire Strikes Back, lightsaber battle with Vader. Look at his suit. That has such an awesome diversity of black levels that it shows pretty quickly whether there's an issue or not. madVR now actually slightly beats out PDVD for those scenes for me. So, again, well done. That's pretty amazing since you weren't intending to "fix" anything!
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Either its me seeing things, wanting to believe, tripping out, or migrain meds kicking in, but batman begins and the dark night look different on my TV with new madVR, colours look better
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The only real way to tell if it's "better" is to compare it with something. I don't necessarily rely on my eyes as the power of suggestion is pretty powerful sometimes. Hence why I just compared my favorite scene with PDVD.
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I used older version of madvr, without using 3dlut, i will look again in the morning, maybe a fresh brain and fresh eyes might bring more comprehensive results
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Indeed.
madshi, on that particular Empire Strikes Back video (it's an MKV ripped from the DVD using MakeMKV so no DVD nav issues or any of that). I'm using J. River's MC16 these days and when I hit stop MC16 crashes: Faulting application name: Media Center 16.exe, version: 16.0.103.0, time stamp: 0x4de951e6 Faulting module name: madvr.ax_unloaded, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x4debb286 Exception code: 0xc0000005 Fault offset: 0x4a40457a Faulting process id: 0x690 Faulting application start time: 0x01cc23c87e4ac9aa Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 16\Media Center 16.exe Faulting module path: madvr.ax Report Id: 5e27a91c-8fbe-11e0-9e0a-001fd080d928 Doesn't seem to happen on blu-ray rips. Is this an MC16 bug do you think?
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it cannot be a good solution to do it that way... first i have to do for this to work with my remuxes i have to use 2 functions in FFDSHOW first CROP the movie to 1920x800 from 1920x1080 and then move the blackbars by using RESIZE and i can't figure out a way for FFDSHOW to know when its playing a 16:9 or a 2.35:1 movie... so... i got a jvc x3/RS40 so i got a rs232 port that i control with my keyboard or my android phone to move the picture (and much more.. light, power, music) so i have given up on the FFDSHOW solution but i do have a question for you and yesgray .. post processing with FFDSHOW that way couldn't have been good for PQ, right?
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New major issue: I cannot seem to get 4:2:0 into madVR now. Upsampling is being applied before the video gets into it.
This is with either the latest ffdshow or LAV CUVID outputting YV12 or NV12. Easiest test is to set all scaling to nearest neighbour. In all versions up to 0.62, this looked awful. In 0.62, it's smoothed over. (especially noticeable with low-res flash videos, such as the test I used here) Quote:
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