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i tested now quicksync, dxva native (AMD) and software. all output 23p flagged as 29p.
there is no repeated frame in the stream and no waved either. Quote:
adding FPS=23 should be an ok workaround for now for soft telecine DVDs. it would be nice if the source filter will do this by default with a disc that has clear flags like these: Code:
Video ID : 224 (0xE0) Format : MPEG Video Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@Main Format settings, BVOP : Yes Format settings, Matrix : Custom Format settings, GOP : Variable Duration : 15mn 8s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 7 726 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 9 800 Kbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) fps Standard : Component Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Scan order : 2:3 Pulldown Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.932 Time code of first frame : 01:00:05:00 Time code source : Group of pictures header Stream size : 837 MiB (82%) Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC Transfer characteristics : BT.601 Matrix coefficients : BT.601 |
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It would see a 2:2 pattern due to the progressive content. Using quicksync HW decoding it definitely finds a 2:2 pattern, which is not what it finds using software (avcodec). Further, the IVTC algorithm wouldn't get confused and pass combed frames if it was being fed progressive frames. Quote:
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but why would it get confused in the first place this file is clearly soft telecine this means the repeated field is bit identical to another field. Quote:
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Hello again!
Thanks a lot for answering my question about my crash log file. After your response, I think that something might be off with my drivers, because my laptop has drivers from Acer and not from Nvidia, so they might not be compatible with something. Nvidia drivers return blue screen 5 minutes after installing, video memory error, so something might be wrong on my side. I cannot wait to upgrade to a laptop with a gtx980 desktop inside Now I have another question or two for people who can help. I have dithering set to error diffusion 2 without colored noise or changing patterns. 1.But does LAV video filter apply another layer of dithering? 2.Another question : I might want to disable the entire dithering process, is it possible, or would it degrade image quality? 3.And another thing: How can I set in mpc-hc the player to copy the entire file playing in RAM? I have 16 gb of RAM and most things I do never use more than 2-4gb, so I have enough to spare, and I would want my videos in RAM while playing for better decoding, and maybe reduction of micro stutter (?).
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No. LAV only dithers if it has to convert to RGB. Which is not the case when using madVR (or any other sane video renderer for that matter).
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But it doesn't dither when you use madVR and didn't screw up the LAV settings (ie. don't disable any output formats).
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About the image in the first post, where you fiind out what type of input your monitor accepts, if I have 4:4:4 what does it mean, and how do I make use of it when using mpc-hc and madVR?
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You do not need to do anything to take advantage of a 4:4:4 display, it simply means you have full resolution chroma. If you have a 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 display chroma scaling options are less important.
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I took a look at the samples posted on the first page, madTestPatternSource. I wanted to ask if for 23 , 24 , and 25 fps files, it is normal that the vertical black bars would jump from one position to the next, without being overly smooth. This happens with all bars, except the top, bottom and sometimes the second from top to bottom. But the rest of the bars are jumpy for me, not like jumping dropping frames, but more like micro stutter. I have smooth motion active. Another strange thing is that I get a reported frame rate of 60fps (not constant, it starts from 180fps then jumps to 170 and so on until it touches 62 then it is lowering itself with 0.1 per 2-3 seconds) for all 23, 24, and 25 test files.
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Edit: I reread later posts where you explain why. My bad. Hmm... Here is what ffmpeg says about the sample: Code:
Input #0, matroska,webm, from '..\..\..\Castle S05E04 IVTC Failure sample.mkv': Metadata: encoder : libebml v1.3.1 + libmatroska v1.4.2 creation_time : 2015-12-17 04:04:26 Duration: 00:00:22.61, start: 0.004000, bitrate: 5476 kb/s Stream #0:0(eng): Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv), 720x480 [SAR 32:27 DAR 16:9], Closed Captions, max. 9800 kb/s, SAR 186:157 DAR 279:157, 59.94 fps, 59.94 tbr, 1k tbn, 59.94 tbc (default) Metadata: BPS : 5093403 BPS-eng : 5093403 DURATION : 00:00:22.606000000 DURATION-eng : 00:00:22.606000000 NUMBER_OF_FRAMES: 542 NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 542 NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 14392684 NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 14392684 _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP: mkvmerge v7.7.0 ('Six Voices') 32bit built on Feb 28 2015 23:23:00 _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v7.7.0 ('Six Voices') 32bit built on Feb 28 2015 23:23:00 _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC: 2015-12-17 04:04:26 _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2015-12-17 04:04:26 _STATISTICS_TAGS: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 384 kb/s (default) Metadata: BPS : 384000 BPS-eng : 384000 DURATION : 00:00:22.176000000 DURATION-eng : 00:00:22.176000000 NUMBER_OF_FRAMES: 693 NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 693 NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 1064448 NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 1064448 _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP: mkvmerge v7.7.0 ('Six Voices') 32bit built on Feb 28 2015 23:23:00 _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: mkvmerge v7.7.0 ('Six Voices') 32bit built on Feb 28 2015 23:23:00 _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC: 2015-12-17 04:04:26 _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2015-12-17 04:04:26 _STATISTICS_TAGS: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES At least one output file must be specified Last edited by Aktan; 18th December 2015 at 03:03. |
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I also noticed if you uncheck "only look at pixels in the frame center..." The messing up happens less often.
Edit: After doing more testing, since it seems the video decoder honor the flags anyway and outputs at 23p, I agree with huhn and just disable deinterlacing and set output 23p. Last edited by Aktan; 18th December 2015 at 05:08. |
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I use Windows 10 Pro x64(10586.29)+AMD Fury X.
When I update VGA driver to new driver【radeon-crimson-15.12-win10-64bit】 The NNEDI3 in madVR(chroma upscaling or image doubling)all could not work. Maybe the madVR NNEDI3 OpenCL kernel something wrong in new VGA driver. I always use SVP4 Pro+madVR together. SmoothVideo Project SVP(3.17a and 4 pro)has the same error when using GPU-acceleration(OpneCL). Any idea to fix it ? If there is no way to fix it, I just only go back to old VGA driver. Because old VGA driver(not crimson)all works fine. Last edited by nanpan; 18th December 2015 at 19:05. |
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Win10 x64, Zoom Player 11.1, Nvidia 980 Ti with driver version 359.06.
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10bit rips on 8bit display
Hi madshi and everybody, first i want to thanks madshi for this great work and all the people in the forum, i never posted anything here because everytime i have a doubt someone already explaned here
i have a question that i don't know if has already been discuted here, i searched but did not find i watch my movies on an relative old laptop with an disgusting optmus system, after milions of tests i can assume that my display output 8 bit, my question is: if i play a 10 bit content on my 8 bit display, i'm loosing some color information? i thought that madvr converts or dither down to 8 bit, but in my osd shows: h264, 10bit, 4:2:0 -> P010, 10 bit, 4:2:0 my laptop display output 1920x1080p with fixed refresh rate 60 hz (59.63046) I'm using madVR v0.89.18 on latest mpc-hc and lav nitghly buid software decoding on lav with untouched output levels (thats another question should i left untouched or pc levels on lav? thereīs any effect on the image if is madvr that does the conversion to rgb? ) my madvr settings: d93d exclusive the display is calibrate to bt 709 power curve 2.20 with i1d2 (not perfect acurated but good) deband=off chroma= Lanczos4 AR Downscale: catmul-rom AR LL Upscale: Lanczos3 AR enhance details= 1.00 on image refinements smooth motion = on ordered dithering with colored noise=enable, change patterns =disabled trade quality options are the standard but with 16bit buffer option disabled (donīt see perfomance improvement if i active this option) the movie is 1080p fps=23.976 16:9 so theres no image scaling or AR adjust i notice that the movie has no banding at all, but seens slighty blurry, i do know if is because the 10 bit on 8 bit display, or because the encode,or the movie itself, or smooth motion (donīt see look like the same slighty blurry aspect on other movies with smooth motion on) is a web serie: the man on the high castle, i watched other rips and seens that the movie was studio mastered with some sort of heavy fxaa filter like pc games its the first 10bit encode that i watch so i donīt have other references to compare i watched the life of pi e and exodus HDR trailers that are 10 bit too, but my gpu canīt handle downscale content to 1080p even with overclock, bilinear or dxva scalling, so looked like a slide show (but look likes great, vivid colours and contrast and great image quality, artificial because special effects but very pleasent experience) i will found other 10bit encodes to compare, but i want to know if i loosing my time watching this on a 8bit panel thats my question, i'm sorry about my bad english, i'm from Brasil thanks Last edited by CarlosCaco; 19th December 2015 at 01:58. Reason: english errors and missing information |
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Im a bit confused by the terms 8-bit, 10-bit etc. in relation to the number of colours. my monitor has 16.7 million colours, but I dont know if that is 8-bit or 10-bit.
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