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10th July 2011, 18:13 | #12444 | Link | |
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That error messge has nothing to do with the other 4 M2TS files. It won't fit because the audio/PGSs of that MT2S are larger than the output target for that M2TS. You probably decided to keep HD audio -- and HD audio just uses too much space (especially for the nonexistent benefit it provides). Last edited by jdobbs; 10th July 2011 at 18:16. |
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Anyone know what would cause a subtitle not to be converted?
Most of the time I do not pay attention, so I can't check past log files, but will in the future. With foreign films, I like to keep the original language audio and read the subtitles, can't stand voice-overs most of the time. This happened with The Man from Nowhere, Region A. Here is the log, tried it twice. Thanks for any help! ----------------------- [12:37:44] BD Rebuilder v0.38.04 (beta) - Source: THE_MAN_FROM_NOWHERE - Input BD size: 20.48 GB - Approximate total content: [01:59:19.569] - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601] - MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled - Mode: DVD-9, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640 [12:37:44] PHASE ONE, Encoding - [12:37:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000] - [12:45:26] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1) - [12:45:26] Collecting video information - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 171,658 frames - Bitrate: 8,776 Kbs - [12:45:26] Reencoding: VID_00000 - [14:32:26] Video Encode complete - [14:32:26] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd) - [14:32:55] Multiplexing M2TS [14:32:55]PHASE ONE complete [14:32:55]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started - [14:32:55] Rebuilding stream 00000 [1 of 1] - [14:32:55] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure - [14:36:37] Converting 1 subtitles to DVD format. - Unable to convert subtitle: 4608, ignored. - [14:36:37] Starting MPLEX. - [14:40:26] Building DVD File Structure. [14:44:40] - Encode and Rebuild complete - WORKFILES folder removed. [14:44:40]JOB: THE_MAN_FROM_NOWHERE finished. |
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Sometimes it might happen when it is not actually a subtitle, but instead is a pop-up graphic image. But that is very rare and the image would have to be huge.
That error occurs when BD-RB's internal subroutine (that converts subtitles from BD to DVD) fails. I'll see if I can pick up that film and give it a try. Last edited by jdobbs; 10th July 2011 at 23:46. |
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Hi...I've used BD Rebuilder in the past and have downloaded the latest beta version.....I keep getting error msg saying Haali spliter isn't the recommended version....I have uninstalled Haali splitter many times and reinstalled it but same problem. When uninstalling it the programs folder is deleted as well. I'm running XP Pro 32bit. Everything else that's needed to run BD Rebuilder is fine. I'm frustrated because other older versions worked. I'd appreciate any assistance. Thanks in advance!
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Shouldn't keep HD audio when compressing to a 25 gb Blu-ray???? Last edited by sonate; 11th July 2011 at 02:22. |
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11th July 2011, 02:49 | #12449 | Link | |
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Sure you can keep HD on some sources (although there is no reason to do so) -- but on others it is just way too large, especially when you are keeping multiple audio tracks. Suppose you have 5 tracks of DTS HD that each uses 5GB of space for audio. How much space do you calculate is left over for the video on a 25GB BD disc? Last edited by jdobbs; 11th July 2011 at 02:55. |
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BTW, I have about 15 years of audio engineering experience under my belt manifested during the analog era. I am a classical pianist who performs regularly. I have ears too. If you want to have a discussion about the merits of various recording or mastering schemes, I would be happy to tell you my experiences. Just tell me where, as I don't want to further degrade your bug report thread, even if you brought the issue up. Last edited by sonate; 11th July 2011 at 13:49. |
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11th July 2011, 17:15 | #12452 | Link | |
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As an engineer, you should also know that in 99% of all cases the sampling rate is the same whether it is compressed or not. But, of course, that's another argument, because tests also show that no one (human anyway) can tell the difference between 48Khz and 96Khz samples... it definitely is noticable when you get less than 48Khz, but not at that rate or higher. All BD tracks are at or above 48Khz. It is noted, however, that (as you said) the track being digitized typically isn't of a level of quality that it matters anyway. Most importantly (at least for this thread) I can tell you that in the referenced M2TS the audio alone was bigger than the target. It makes no difference if it was one, two, or ninety tracks. You can't get that warning message unless it is true. Last edited by jdobbs; 11th July 2011 at 17:35. |
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This should answer any question as to how sensitive the human ear is to sampling rates and the ambient details they can reveal. When recording a very dynamic instrument like a Steinway B, there are major differences when I record using a 192khz sample and create DVD audio files as opposed to CD format which sounds flat. And in terms of playback, on a ribbon /transmission line transducers powered by pure class a , the usual response from the double blind tests I myself conducted, the DVD audio has an element of tangibility, a physical spacial presence of a live piano absent in the CD. For instance the repetitive chord motiff in Davidsbundler of Schumann's Carnival you can discern every vertical note in a fortissimo rhythmic accentuated pattern on the DVD. It is clogged up on the CD. The voices in the Scherzo in Schubert's D960 sonata can be listened to as if a string quartet was playing in terms of clarity and tone, a CD lacks the openness. Not that the DVD sounds like the live instrument but it is a lot closer than the CD. You can also see the difference side by side on a spectrum analyzer. DVD has less a problem with any complex composite waveform consisting of the full range of upper harmonics when a hammer strikes a piano string forcefully. . Again, none of this makes much difference in movie soundtracks or overly processed sound, but since you say the ear couldn't possibly tell the difference, I'm wondering how you can explain that the ear can hear the difference between a CD of a live performance and an actual live performance? Quote:
Can I make a suggestion, pick up a copy of "Army of Shadows" on the Criterion label. You will enjoy watching it, a wonderful directive on the French Resistance and a lesson in moral equivalences. Nice talking to a fellow musician.... Greg Last edited by sonate; 11th July 2011 at 18:23. |
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If you convert "HD" audio like an SACD down to regular 44.1khz/16-bit, it's going to be indistinguishable from the original audio. However, nevertheless, it will often still be better than a typical CD. |
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If a human ear was anything even remotely similar to a spectrum analyzer, you might get me to agree. Bit it doesn't work that way. In fact it doesn't work anything even remotely that way. Compression algorithms are expressly designed and tuned to take advantage of the psycho-acoustical limitations of human hearing . A machine can also be made to see microwaves -- that doesn't mean my eyes will ever see them. Anyway, this is one of those arguments in which your opinion, I'm sure, will never be changed -- so let's get back to the purpose of this thread. Quote:
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The reason I said Mercury Living Presence is because they are have always used minimalist processing and have maintained that standard regardless of medium. Taking audiophile pressings on LP and 16ips tape masters from previous recordings, using reference playback equipment, you would first have to agree that these have a level of clarity and imaging well beyond the capability of cd format.Dynamics are not too far off either. Taking either of these sources and creating digital versions in both CD and DVD audio straight 2 channel stereo with no mixing or signal processing either analog or digital using the same inputs on the same sound card, the DVD audio preserves far more of the originals sound stage and imaging capabilities as well as the openness of the sound. Now if you are telling me that if I re sample the DVD to CD specs it will sound identical, that has not been the case. Last edited by sonate; 11th July 2011 at 23:04. |
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I am using all the recommended downloads from the first post. I am also running Windows 7 Ultimate - Core I7 920. I have done 1 successful encode so far and I will be trying more. Thanks a lot jdobbs for creating such a useful program |
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Thanks for responding. Apparently the problem is with VC-1 codec....how do I get around this issue....I get a error msg saying no decompressor when I try to view the video in preview within BD Rebuilder....a friend of mine said it has to do with VC-1 codec. I'd appreciate any assistance. Thanks in advance!
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