VP7 Free For Personal Use : 7.0.10.0

On2Tech · 27th July 2005, 14:38

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A new version of VP7 (v7.0.10.0) is now available from our web site. The main changes are as follows:-

Version 7.0.10.0
=======================================
- Improved overall quality
- Improved speed on best quality mode
- Fixed a problem in one of the blitters that caused
color artifacts for some interlaced clips.
- Fixed a bug that caused spatial re-sampling to crash for some specific
source image sizes and resample ratios.
- Faster first pass encode.
- Improvements in 2 pass rate control.
- Significant changes to the motion search algorithm to improve detection and
tracking in high motion scenes. These changes affect both the first and second pass.

This release removes a previous limitation that prevented the encoder from detecting and tracking motion of greater than 31 ¾ pels. We were keen to address this problem without hurting average encode speed and to this end we have made significant changes to the motion search strategy. As a result, for most of the clips we have tested the new release is actually a little faster.

Obviously the biggest gains are for clips that contain a lot of very high motion. Though this is not very common, there are exceptions and for these the improvement can be dramatic. We have seen some clips where the improvement in overall PSNR was as high as 0.75db and isolated sections where it was much higher.

Even on low motion clips, however, the changes seem to have helped. For example, the HPII trailer previously used by Saggitaire was at the low end of the spectrum but we still saw a small improvement in psnr and an improvement in SSIM ranging from 0.3 at best quality through to about 0.5 at good quality speeds 4&5.

Earlier release notes:

Version 7.0.9.0
=======================================
- fixed bug that produced artifacts in faster speeds ( 2,4,5) when image
size not multiple of 16
- better quality video across wide range of video
- fixed problem in which video offset by 1 pixel when using noise reduction
- improvements to live encoding

Version 7.0.8.0
=======================================
- Improved post processing speed
- added Direct Show Decoder
- added slider which controls how much filtering to do
- added macroblock deblocker
- free for personal use version
- improved quality encode and decode

Version 7.0.7.0
=======================================
- Improved decode speed significantly
- Improved best quality mode
- Improved quality at speed for encode
- solved problem on non intel machines that shut off mmx optimizations of decoder
- solved issue when calling from dshow
- Improved quality of real time encode

Sharktooth · 27th July 2005, 14:46

IvS · 27th July 2005, 15:59

That's good. Now how about removing the terrible step no one ever wants which is submitting your email address just to download a file? Others don't do it, you shouldn't either. Also, that's nice, VP7 is yet again the best video codec in the universe according to you. So were VP6, VP5, VP3...

Sharktooth · 27th July 2005, 16:09

They were... but thechnology evolves... rapidly...

Matrics · 27th July 2005, 16:24

On2Tech, is it possible to host "On2 VP7 Personal Edition.exe" file on our server?

We can state that VP7 Personal Edition license entitles you to create and publish video for personal use only. Also, a link to License Agreement could be included in software's page.

Sirber · 27th July 2005, 17:10

I asked once and I got a "yes" if I include the license too.

On2Tech · 27th July 2005, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvS

Now how about removing the terrible step no one ever wants which is submitting your email address just to download a file? Others don't do it, you shouldn't either.

We've now done this... Get it Here:

LordRPI · 27th July 2005, 19:19

Awesome =]

Sirber · 27th July 2005, 20:12

Any comparison?

Sharktooth · 27th July 2005, 20:31

wow, i did a couple of test encodes and i must say vp7 is becoming the real and only commercial (and now also free for personal use) AVC competitor...
the decoder is great, expecially the "Keep CPU use below xx%" option.
even the encodes made with old versions look better with this one.
great stuff.

LordRPI · 27th July 2005, 20:45

I just finished with a test encode of some 720p material. The playback looks great, although I cannot achieve full frame rate on a 2.8 ghz P4, even when I uncheck "Keep CPU use below xx%" option. It looks like I'm getting better frame rates with MP AVC, but I'm guessing either my system is b0rked or I've done something wrong in encoding =]

This is really nice though. How far along has the porting to an AD Blackfin gone?

Edit: Just found the User Guide (Which is great and to the point) =] I'm doing another encode at the moment so I'll see how the changes in the PP affect playback.

riggits · 27th July 2005, 23:26

Thanks! I've been waiting to test this out

darkavatar1470 · 28th July 2005, 03:44

this is great!
I've been a big fan of VP6, but wasn't able to try out the new VP7, good job, On2 !!

CruNcher · 28th July 2005, 03:56

I don't want to sound disrespectfull in any regards, but it was just a matter of time

im happy that it happened so fast, now it would be the hit if you would provide Xiph with a updated OSL of VP6 or why waiting so long and don't try to catch momentum right away and go strange ahead with VP7 (non comercial open source use) and at the same time submit it for standardization process ?
Im not sure about the status of EVD but seems like it failed expectations On2 had for it so the time is right "Let's share VPX with the World Today"

PS: Bond yeah i know im dreaming but sometimes you have to ;D

B.F. · 28th July 2005, 05:51

I test VP7 and x264 on Van Helsing traler.
x264 version look better and VP7 work mutch slower.

On2Tech · 28th July 2005, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.F.

I test VP7 and x264 on Van Helsing traler.
x264 version look better and VP7 work mutch slower.

Can you post the settings you used for both codecs? We'd like to duplicate your results.

28th July 2005, 15:37

i kindly request the guys here @ doom9 to please post a guide for dvd to vp7 conversion, as there must be many people like me who have neva used it and do not know which settings to use!

Sharktooth · 28th July 2005, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.F.

I test VP7 and x264 on Van Helsing traler.
x264 version look better and VP7 work mutch slower.

i tested the usual spiderman 2 trailer and, except the fact i had to lower the bitrate a bit coz it didnt hit the wanted filesize, the result looks great.
i still have to decide which one looks better for me, but the first impression is vp7 improved a lot.

bond · 28th July 2005, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruNcher

I don't want to sound disrespectfull in any regards, but it was just a matter of time

im happy that it happened so fast, now it would be the hit if you would provide Xiph with a updated OSL of VP6 or why waiting so long and don't try to catch momentum right away and go strange ahead with VP7 (non comercial open source use) and at the same time submit it for standardization process ?
Im not sure about the status of EVD but seems like it failed expectations On2 had for it so the time is right "Let's share VPX with the World Today"

PS: Bond yeah i know im dreaming but sometimes you have to ;D

word

IgorC · 28th July 2005, 22:32

Quality is great.After some encoding I should say VP7 is a nearest competitor of family codecs H.264 in quality terms. I won't judge what is better. It's hard to say.
There some bugs like when I'm openening VP7 in virtual dub sometimes 20 windows of IE are opening. Decoder still wastes Intel CPUs a lot even when I try to put CPU 50% or even lower.

27th July 2005, 14:38	#1 \| Link
On2Tech Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 163	VP7 Free For Personal Use : 7.0.10.0 Download VP7 Now A new version of VP7 (v7.0.10.0) is now available from our web site. The main changes are as follows:- Version 7.0.10.0 ======================================= - Improved overall quality - Improved speed on best quality mode - Fixed a problem in one of the blitters that caused color artifacts for some interlaced clips. - Fixed a bug that caused spatial re-sampling to crash for some specific source image sizes and resample ratios. - Faster first pass encode. - Improvements in 2 pass rate control. - Significant changes to the motion search algorithm to improve detection and tracking in high motion scenes. These changes affect both the first and second pass. This release removes a previous limitation that prevented the encoder from detecting and tracking motion of greater than 31 ¾ pels. We were keen to address this problem without hurting average encode speed and to this end we have made significant changes to the motion search strategy. As a result, for most of the clips we have tested the new release is actually a little faster. Obviously the biggest gains are for clips that contain a lot of very high motion. Though this is not very common, there are exceptions and for these the improvement can be dramatic. We have seen some clips where the improvement in overall PSNR was as high as 0.75db and isolated sections where it was much higher. Even on low motion clips, however, the changes seem to have helped. For example, the HPII trailer previously used by Saggitaire was at the low end of the spectrum but we still saw a small improvement in psnr and an improvement in SSIM ranging from 0.3 at best quality through to about 0.5 at good quality speeds 4&5. Earlier release notes: Version 7.0.9.0 ======================================= - fixed bug that produced artifacts in faster speeds ( 2,4,5) when image size not multiple of 16 - better quality video across wide range of video - fixed problem in which video offset by 1 pixel when using noise reduction - improvements to live encoding Version 7.0.8.0 ======================================= - Improved post processing speed - added Direct Show Decoder - added slider which controls how much filtering to do - added macroblock deblocker - free for personal use version - improved quality encode and decode Version 7.0.7.0 ======================================= - Improved decode speed significantly - Improved best quality mode - Improved quality at speed for encode - solved problem on non intel machines that shut off mmx optimizations of decoder - solved issue when calling from dshow - Improved quality of real time encode Last edited by On2Tech; 28th March 2006 at 17:07.

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IvS . Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 139	That's good. Now how about removing the terrible step no one ever wants which is submitting your email address just to download a file? Others don't do it, you shouldn't either. Also, that's nice, VP7 is yet again the best video codec in the universe according to you. So were VP6, VP5, VP3...

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Matrics Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 24	On2Tech, is it possible to host "On2 VP7 Personal Edition.exe" file on our server? We can state that VP7 Personal Edition license entitles you to create and publish video for personal use only. Also, a link to License Agreement could be included in software's page.

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LordRPI Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silly Valley Posts: 261	Awesome =]

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	wow, i did a couple of test encodes and i must say vp7 is becoming the real and only commercial (and now also free for personal use) AVC competitor... the decoder is great, expecially the "Keep CPU use below xx%" option. even the encodes made with old versions look better with this one. great stuff. __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!! Last edited by Sharktooth; 27th July 2005 at 20:33.

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LordRPI Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silly Valley Posts: 261	I just finished with a test encode of some 720p material. The playback looks great, although I cannot achieve full frame rate on a 2.8 ghz P4, even when I uncheck "Keep CPU use below xx%" option. It looks like I'm getting better frame rates with MP AVC, but I'm guessing either my system is b0rked or I've done something wrong in encoding =] This is really nice though. How far along has the porting to an AD Blackfin gone? Edit: Just found the User Guide (Which is great and to the point) =] I'm doing another encode at the moment so I'll see how the changes in the PP affect playback. Last edited by LordRPI; 27th July 2005 at 21:05.

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riggits Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 93	Thanks! I've been waiting to test this out

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darkavatar1470 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in da far east Posts: 92	this is great! I've been a big fan of VP6, but wasn't able to try out the new VP7, good job, On2 !!

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CruNcher Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,926	I don't want to sound disrespectfull in any regards, but it was just a matter of time im happy that it happened so fast, now it would be the hit if you would provide Xiph with a updated OSL of VP6 or why waiting so long and don't try to catch momentum right away and go strange ahead with VP7 (non comercial open source use) and at the same time submit it for standardization process ? Im not sure about the status of EVD but seems like it failed expectations On2 had for it so the time is right "Let's share VPX with the World Today" PS: Bond yeah i know im dreaming but sometimes you have to ;D __________________ all my compares are riddles so please try to decipher them yourselves :) It is about Time Join the Revolution NOW before it is to Late ! http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168004

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B.F. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Russia, Novosibirsk Posts: 92	I test VP7 and x264 on Van Helsing traler. x264 version look better and VP7 work mutch slower.

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neo_anderson Guest Posts: n/a	i kindly request the guys here @ doom9 to please post a guide for dvd to vp7 conversion, as there must be many people like me who have neva used it and do not know which settings to use!

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IgorC Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,315	Quality is great.After some encoding I should say VP7 is a nearest competitor of family codecs H.264 in quality terms. I won't judge what is better. It's hard to say. There some bugs like when I'm openening VP7 in virtual dub sometimes 20 windows of IE are opening. Decoder still wastes Intel CPUs a lot even when I try to put CPU 50% or even lower.