madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[madshi]

Originally Posted by huhn

i only report problem with 87.x so yeah i can get it working with 86.11 (i just switch to this sup version)

i just finished testing all 6 again all crash with 70080005 error.

yet again after this i toke the madVR08611.zip from videohelp override alle datas from 87.1 and it didn't work to the player crashed again every thing was at default except the display mode i added : 1080p23, 1080p24, 1080p50, 1080p59, 1080p60

then i started the restore default settings.bat added 1080p23, 1080p24, 1080p50, 1080p59, 1080p60 and it works fine now so the error with film-video has something to do with the madvr settings.

i tested all 6 .ax with 87.1 with uninstall install and reset.

but the freeze problem doesn't happen with 86.11 and settings from version 87.1

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. You're saing "and it works fine now". That seems to say that one of the test builds (or all of them or what?) work alright after restoring the default settings. But then you say "bug the freeze problem doesn't happen with 86.11". So I'm all confused. Is it working fine now or is it not? I don't really understand what you're saying...

[truexfan81]

madshi the 0.87.1 works much better thank you, i can even do 1080i with it if i disable the deband filter.

any chance of getting the deband settings added to the profiles? with that i could make a 1080i profile to have it turn it off automatically.

thanks

[huhn]

ok 2 problems:


video-film mode switch with frame rate change error:

87.1 and 6 test build= crash - creating Direct3d Device failed (80070005)

87.1 at default except display modes overwritten with 86.11 = player crash need a log i can pm it to you

ofc 86.11 working fine

freeze with exclusive fullscreen and file change:

87.1 and 6 test build= freeze

87.1 at default except display modes overwritten with 86.11 = works fine

ofc 86.11 working fine no reset needed.

[madshi]

Originally Posted by truexfan81

any chance of getting the deband settings added to the profiles?

This functionality is already there!

Originally Posted by huhn

ok 2 problems:

video-film mode switch with frame rate change error:

87.1 and 6 test build= crash - creating Direct3d Device failed (80070005)

87.1 at default except display modes overwritten with 86.11 = player crash need a log i can pm it to you

ofc 86.11 working fine

freeze with exclusive fullscreen and file change:

87.1 and 6 test build= freeze

87.1 at default except display modes overwritten with 86.11 = works fine

ofc 86.11 working fine no reset needed.

Ok, I understand. Now I just I wish I would understand what's causing these problems...

[cyberbeing]

Originally Posted by sneaker_ger

A question regarding the settings dialogue outside of playing a file: is it normal that it takes a few seconds to open compared to instantly when playing a file?

Same issue here, it takes 5 seconds or so after clicking "Edit Settings" before the settings window opens when madVR is offline. Can reproduce this in GraphStudioNext as well as a MPC-HC's external filters pane.

Win7 SP1 x64

[kerimcem]

I do not like NNEDI3 blurry lancos3 jin3 bubic75 good...

[madshi]

Originally Posted by cyberbeing

Same issue here, it takes 5 seconds or so after clicking "Edit Settings" before the settings window opens when madVR is offline. Can reproduce this in GraphStudioNext as well as a MPC-HC's external filters pane.

Why does every *** bug not occur on my PC? I'm getting a little bit frustrated right now...

Originally Posted by kerimcem

I do not like NNEDI3 blurry lancos3 jin3 bubic75 good...

Are you sure you're really testing NNEDI3? It shouldn't be blurry, at least not if you already start with sharp content and then upscale it.

[Leader]

Hi madshi. In Windows XP, versions 0.87.0, 0.87.1, when you open any video - black screen. In version 0.86.11 - okay, all right. What is the reason?

[DragonQ]

Originally Posted by madshi

So for all users who have:

(1) Stability problems (D3D9 error messages, freezing when switching video files in FSE mode etc).
(2) Performance issues with deinterlacing.

Please try the various test builds you can find here:

http://madshi.net/madVRtestbuilds.rar

Every test build reverts one change back to v0.86.11. This way hopefully we can identify which change is reponsible for which problem.

Phew, that took a while. None of those comes close to 0.86.11 times unfortunately (scroll to see all):

Default Software:
Deinterlace: 18.99 ms
Split: 19.22 ms
Rendering: 8.19 ms
Present: 0.46 ms
Dropped Frames: 20
Delayed Frames: 0

Default DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 14.63 ms
Split: 17.75 ms
Rendering: 8.16 ms
Present: 0.57 ms
Dropped Frames: 26
Delayed Frames: 2

No Crop Software:
Deinterlace: 19.82 ms
Split: 19.88 ms
Rendering: 9.81 ms
Present: 0.46 ms
Dropped Frames: 33
Delayed Frames: 1

No Crop DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.21 ms
Split: 14.25 ms
Rendering: 6.97 ms
Present: 0.26 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 1

No Shared Textures Software:
Deinterlace: 17.32 ms
Split: 18.44 ms
Rendering: 7.74 ms
Present: 0.44 ms
Dropped Frames: 7
Delayed Frames: 1

No Shared Textures DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.69 ms
Split: 14.84 ms
Rendering: 6.77 ms
Present: 0.32 ms
Dropped Frames: 7
Delayed Frames: 1

DeintThread Setting Textures Software:
Deinterlace: 18.87 ms
Split: 18.92 ms
Rendering: 8.35 ms
Present: 0.42 ms
Dropped Frames: 18
Delayed Frames: 1

DeintThread Setting DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.27 ms
Split: 14.76 ms
Rendering: 6.65 ms
Present: 0.28 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

No Backbuffer+1 Software:
Deinterlace: 17.06 ms
Split: 17.18 ms
Rendering: 8.37 ms
Present: 0.56 ms
Dropped Frames: 16
Delayed Frames: 1

No Backbuffer+1 DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.93 ms
Split: 14.89 ms
Rendering: 7.31 ms
Present: 0.28 ms
Dropped Frames: 11
Delayed Frames: 1

ConfigCopyback Software:
Deinterlace: 18.48 ms
Split: 18.91 ms
Rendering: 7.28 ms
Present: 0.37 ms
Dropped Frames: 21
Delayed Frames: 1

ConfigCopyback DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 10.49 ms
Split: 14.27 ms
Rendering: 6.46 ms
Present: 0.25 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 1

Repeated for reference:

0.86.11 Software:
Deinterlace: 8.29 ms
Split: 9.15 ms
Rendering: 4.70 ms
Present: 0.17 ms
Dropped Frames: 14
Delayed Frames: 0

0.86.11 DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 7.58 ms
Split: 8.08 ms
Rendering: 5.02 ms
Present: 0.16 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

EDIT: I found the issue. These slow rendering times only occur when Smooth Motion is enabled. Otherwise, 0.87.1 is fine in both decoding modes (although still a bit worse than 0.86.11), as shown here:

0.86.11 Software:
Deinterlace: 7.78 ms
Split: 8.97 ms
Rendering: 2.84 ms
Present: 0.15 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

0.87.1 Software:
Deinterlace: 9.02 ms
Split: 11.64 ms
Rendering: 2.49 ms
Present: 0.14 ms
Dropped Frames: 12
Delayed Frames: 1

[cca]

If it's any consolation, I don't seem to have any of these bugs either with my Radeon 5850. Debugging is such a nasty job...

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

[djfred93]

For a 720p video to a 1080p screen, NNEDI3 image doubling factor 2.0X isn't use, right ?

[truexfan81]

can someone please tell me what i am doing wrong here?


if (srcWidth <= 1919) and (srcHeight <= 1070) "Profile 3"
else if (srcFps<=30) and (!srcInterlaced) "Profile 1"
else "Profile 2"

also madshi looking in the profile settings and your example post i don't see the option for adding the deband filter to the profiles

the problem i am having is it will not go to Profile 3 unless i force it with a kb shortcut

[kerimcem]

chorme= NNEDI3(32) image= lancos3(ar)= sd blurry less sharpness(vob,mp4,avi files)
default settings (ar)= best
jin3(ar) jin3(ar)= best
chorme=bubic75ar image=c.room (ar) best
I did not like so NNEDI3 thanks...

[sneaker_ger]

Originally Posted by madshi

Please try the test builds I posted a few posts above.

You mean the collection with 6 builds? All 6 of them share the problem.

[noee]

Originally Posted by madshi

That's weird! I wish I could reproduce that here...

Well, this file I'm testing with is a bit different, M2TS container, VC-1 1080i, low bitrate (~11Mbps) and I am using DXVA2 for decoding (LAV->WMV9 DMO). I'll try copy-back mode to see if that makes any difference.

I've got some recent 480i material I can try out too...

[cyberbeing]

Originally Posted by madshi

Why does every *** bug not occur on my PC? I'm getting a little bit frustrated right now...

The only time it opens instantly here when I manually launch madHcCtrl.exe into the tray before attempting to access madVR settings offline.

If madHcCtrl.exe is not running, clicking "Edit Settings" launches madHcCtrl.exe without a tray icon, the delay for a few seconds occurs, madHcCtrl.exe closes, and finally the madVR settings gui appears.

[noee]

@madshi

I found it! I set LAV to copy-back mode instead of native DXVA and deint times are now the same as .86! Seems like a CPU thing, maybe since using DXVA for decode in this case, the CPU was stuck down at low-idle because there's simply no CPU load....?

[cca]

Regarding DXVA2 , I did notice that if used on my 5850 it will increase the rendering times regardless of the mode used (native/copy back). The explanation is simple, the GPU stays locked in a particular clock rate when DXVA2 is used and cannot raise to a higher clock state if the load demands it. I found this to be very evident when NNEDI is used, raises rendering time about 10ms.

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[huhn]

Originally Posted by madshi

Why does every *** bug not occur on my PC? I'm getting a little bit frustrated right now...

after some more testing on my gaming pc:
for the - creating Direct3d Device failed (80070005) error
this only happens when madvr change the refresh rate. it is not crashing when the refresh rate stays!

[madshi]

Originally Posted by Leader

Hi madshi. In Windows XP, versions 0.87.0, 0.87.1, when you open any video - black screen. In version 0.86.11 - okay, all right. What is the reason?

Which GPU? Are you using default settings or any custom settings? Does it occur only when deinterlacing is used? Or also without?

Originally Posted by DragonQ

Phew, that took a while. None of those comes close to 0.86.11 times unfortunately (scroll to see all):

Default Software:
Deinterlace: 18.99 ms
Split: 19.22 ms
Rendering: 8.19 ms
Present: 0.46 ms
Dropped Frames: 20
Delayed Frames: 0

Default DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 14.63 ms
Split: 17.75 ms
Rendering: 8.16 ms
Present: 0.57 ms
Dropped Frames: 26
Delayed Frames: 2

No Crop Software:
Deinterlace: 19.82 ms
Split: 19.88 ms
Rendering: 9.81 ms
Present: 0.46 ms
Dropped Frames: 33
Delayed Frames: 1

No Crop DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.21 ms
Split: 14.25 ms
Rendering: 6.97 ms
Present: 0.26 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 1

No Shared Textures Software:
Deinterlace: 17.32 ms
Split: 18.44 ms
Rendering: 7.74 ms
Present: 0.44 ms
Dropped Frames: 7
Delayed Frames: 1

No Shared Textures DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.69 ms
Split: 14.84 ms
Rendering: 6.77 ms
Present: 0.32 ms
Dropped Frames: 7
Delayed Frames: 1

DeintThread Setting Textures Software:
Deinterlace: 18.87 ms
Split: 18.92 ms
Rendering: 8.35 ms
Present: 0.42 ms
Dropped Frames: 18
Delayed Frames: 1

DeintThread Setting DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.27 ms
Split: 14.76 ms
Rendering: 6.65 ms
Present: 0.28 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

No Backbuffer+1 Software:
Deinterlace: 17.06 ms
Split: 17.18 ms
Rendering: 8.37 ms
Present: 0.56 ms
Dropped Frames: 16
Delayed Frames: 1

No Backbuffer+1 DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 11.93 ms
Split: 14.89 ms
Rendering: 7.31 ms
Present: 0.28 ms
Dropped Frames: 11
Delayed Frames: 1

ConfigCopyback Software:
Deinterlace: 18.48 ms
Split: 18.91 ms
Rendering: 7.28 ms
Present: 0.37 ms
Dropped Frames: 21
Delayed Frames: 1

ConfigCopyback DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 10.49 ms
Split: 14.27 ms
Rendering: 6.46 ms
Present: 0.25 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 1

Repeated for reference:

0.86.11 Software:
Deinterlace: 8.29 ms
Split: 9.15 ms
Rendering: 4.70 ms
Present: 0.17 ms
Dropped Frames: 14
Delayed Frames: 0

0.86.11 DXVA2 Native:
Deinterlace: 7.58 ms
Split: 8.08 ms
Rendering: 5.02 ms
Present: 0.16 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

EDIT: I found the issue. These slow rendering times only occur when Smooth Motion is enabled. Otherwise, 0.87.1 is fine in both decoding modes (although still a bit worse than 0.86.11), as shown here:

0.86.11 Software:
Deinterlace: 7.78 ms
Split: 8.97 ms
Rendering: 2.84 ms
Present: 0.15 ms
Dropped Frames: 8
Delayed Frames: 0

0.87.1 Software:
Deinterlace: 9.02 ms
Split: 11.64 ms
Rendering: 2.49 ms
Present: 0.14 ms
Dropped Frames: 12
Delayed Frames: 1

Hmmmm... Interesting. That was an Intel GPU? I have an Intel GPU here, too. But I can't seem to reproduce these problems. Maybe can you upload your settings.bin somewhere?

Originally Posted by cca

If it's any consolation, I don't seem to have any of these bugs either with my Radeon 5850. Debugging is such a nasty job...

It wouldn't be so bad if I could actually reproduce any of these bugs. But the ratio of bugs I can reproduce versus those I can't is shocking. Never had such a bad ratio yet. Never ever. I think I could reproduce 1-2 out of a hundred bugs reported since I released v0.87.0.

Originally Posted by djfred93

For a 720p video to a 1080p screen, NNEDI3 image doubling factor 2.0X isn't use, right ?

That depends on your image doubling settings.

Originally Posted by truexfan81

can someone please tell me what i am doing wrong here?

if (srcWidth <= 1919) and (srcHeight <= 1070) "Profile 3"
else if (srcFps<=30) and (!srcInterlaced) "Profile 1"
else "Profile 2"

also madshi looking in the profile settings and your example post i don't see the option for adding the deband filter to the profiles

the problem i am having is it will not go to Profile 3 unless i force it with a kb shortcut

Looks alright to me. Are you actually testing with SD videos? Does the madVR debug OSD report that the source is really less than 1919 wide and less than 1070 high?

Originally Posted by kerimcem

chorme= NNEDI3(32) image= lancos3(ar)= sd blurry(vob,mp4,avi files)
default settings (ar)= best
jin3(ar) jin3(ar)= best
chorme=bubic75ar image=c.room (ar) best
I did not like so NNEDI3 thanks...

Ok, that's fine. I guess it's a matter of taste.

Originally Posted by sneaker_ger

You mean the collection with 6 builds? All 6 of them share the problem.

Ok, then please try disabling dithering completely and compare v0.87.1 that way with v0.86.11, both with dithering disabled. Does that change anything?

Originally Posted by cyberbeing

The only time it opens instantly here when I manually launch madHcCtrl.exe into the tray before attempting to access madVR settings offline.

If madHcCtrl.exe is not running, clicking "Edit Settings" launches madHcCtrl.exe without a tray icon, the delay for a few seconds occurs, madHcCtrl.exe closes, and finally the madVR settings gui appears.

madHcCtrl is normally already started when you start video playback. Which tray icon settings are you using? Anyway, I tried them all and the problem still doesn't seem to occur on my PC.

Originally Posted by noee

@madshi

I found it! I set LAV to copy-back mode instead of native DXVA and deint times are now the same as .86! Seems like a CPU thing, maybe since using DXVA for decode in this case, the CPU was stuck down at low-idle because there's simply no CPU load....?

So are you saying that with copy-back there's no problem, but when using DXVA native decoding, v0.87.1 is slower than v0.86.11?

Originally Posted by huhn

after some more testing on my gaming pc:
for the - creating Direct3d Device failed (80070005) error
this only happens when madvr change the refresh rate. it is not crashing when the refresh rate stays!

Can you give me step-by-step-guide to reproducing this bug? Which refresh rate modes to enter into the listing? Which refresh rate to manually select before starting video playback? Which madVR settings to use? Windowed mode or FSE mode? Etc etc. There are thousands of variations. Maybe I just need to do exactly the same thing as you. But so far I've not been able to reproduce the problem.