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23rd May 2016, 06:02 | #38121 | Link |
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Hey thanks both. I actually sort of consumed my evening with installing displayCAL haha. I eventually created a 3D LUT with the Spyder 2 without much trouble.
p.s. My display is a CCFL LCD (NEC ea231wmi), so it's still a good pairing of technology How do you think I should setup the rendering, Asmodian? I keep it at "this display is already calibrated" + full exclusive Edit: Realized the gamma is - by default - set to 2.4 in displayCAL madvr preset, which would explain the wash out. I removed the screenshots until I run it again. Last edited by JarrettH; 23rd May 2016 at 07:44. |
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Madshi , if I have Bluray 3D which I use . which is not SidebySide or Top&Buttom , it is Active 3D TV with Nvidia 3DTV software. I can't make it to show actual 3D when using 3D on AUTO in madvr with 3DTV Enabled. it says D3D11 Windowed or Fullscreen (3D) but there is nothing being visible as 3D. my TV goes to 3D mode when it detect supported 3D software or Nvidia 3DTV enabled, and Potplayer goes to 3D mode, but again nothing is visible as 3D , just plain 2D. can I fix that ? I can't watch the movie in PowerDVD because I need subtitles and the movie doesn't have subtitles and I can't add to powerdvd srt subtitles, is there other way for that too ? in PowerDVD it works properly, 3D is visible and pretty much perfect.
Windows 10 Nvidia 970 3DTV Drivers the movie is bluray Active 3D not just MKV normal file. Last edited by x7007; 23rd May 2016 at 06:59. |
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the 3D LUT is most likely fixing black clipping. but what so ever not an madVR issue. |
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IMHO, BT.1886 is the way to go on ANY display, be it extremely low-contrast (sub 1000:1) TN/IPS panel, barely acceptable contrast VA (~3000:1) panel, acceptable contrast VA (~5000:1) panel, or high contrast high quality CRT/Plasma/OLED panel. Also, I don't think you need to select Black Offset or Compensation because ArgyllCMS and DisplayCAL have fixed the elevated blacks problems a LONG time ago. |
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Can the anti halo algorithm address the halo generated by SVP?
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Here are the images I removed. I use 2.2 gamma on my monitor (it's matte IPS).
3dlut (uses 2.4 gamma) Spyder 6500k 2.2 3dlut (uses 2.4 gamma) Spyder 6500k 2.2 3dlut (uses 2.4 gamma) Spyder 6500k 2.2 Last edited by JarrettH; 23rd May 2016 at 15:45. |
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6500k or 2.2 is Normal, if you notice on dark areas in 2.4 there's major black crushes, the benefit is clearness but white/dark areas tend to get issues. The result is a "tunnel-vision" effect, where the surroundings often end up irrelevant or very dark, making you focus mostly on the stuff in the middle. This can be good for horrors, dramas, tarantino movies and similar but for action Marvel/Michael Bay etc this often makes it unwatchable.
I would stay at 2.2, it tends to give the best balance, dynamic contrast modes on TVs have the same black crush effect, albeit not as strong as pure 2.4, since modern TVs can detect black areas and adapt, but it still isn't recommended to go above 2.2. Last edited by XTrojan; 23rd May 2016 at 15:52. |
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Compared NNEDI3 64 + SR3 vs. deringing + super-xbr 150 + SR1 (both quadrupling).
NNEDI3: super-xbr: NNEDI3: super-xbr: Funny thing is that super-xbr with higher sharpness is less aliased than lower sharpness. This offers quite some possibilities, since with deringing filter, halo boosting isn't a real problem anymore with super-xbr and its line bloating can already be significantly lowered by just SuperRes 1, which doesn't reintroduce lots of ringing unlike higher SR settings when combined with deringing filter. So, it seems to me that this super-xbr settings combination is now a real alternative to NNEDI3 while it requires just a fraction of computing power at the same time. I can't spot a clear winner quality wise with these examples (ok, the cartoon shows much less ringing with the deringing filter). |
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I definitely don't want any unnecessary cropping with high quality sources whereas with some DVD rips (Monty Python's Flying Circus being a prime example) I need to set the cropping to at least 3 or more for all borders. Initially I kind of assumed all content would get brutally cropped, whether needed or not. But I have to say I really like the versatility of the zoom functions and that's saying a lot because previously I was biased against "any kind of zooming or cropping" to preserve the original aspect ratio. |
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I definitely don't want any unnecessary cropping with high quality sources whereas with some DVD rips (Monty Python's Flying Circus being a prime example) I need to set the cropping to at least 3 or more for all borders. Initially I kind of assumed all content would get brutally cropped, whether needed or not. But I have to say I really like the versatility of the zoom functions in general and that's saying a lot because previously I was biased against "any kind of zooming or cropping" in order preserve all image content.. |
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http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...26#post1768426 The deringing filter shouldn't be any more aggressive, you can see it already killing some detail in the lighttower picture. I think its strength is just right, judging from what I've seen so far. The source is not good and quadrupling makes ugly artifacts much more visible, no matter how good the upscaling is. Edit: Btw: New Crimson 16.5.3 driver seems to fix performance regression of 16.5.2. |
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It depends at least 3 criteria: viewing condition, panel type (black level of the display as e-t172 said), user preference. You don't want to watch movie Alien with BT.1886 during the night on a IPS panel with 0.14cdm black. More info here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post40108362 But there's also a dedicated thread for this here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=172783
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Does it matter what curve you use on this imagined display? You do not want to watch Alien on a display with 0.14 cd/m^2 black.
Your choice is black crush or washed out, using 2.4 or 2.2 gamma doesn't change much. At night, in the dark, 2.4 looks better to me, 2.2 is for a well lit room. BT.1886 avoids black crush while pure power 2.2 or 2.4 will crush black some with that high of a black level. We should be in the calibration thread, not madVR's.
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I tried Gamma 2.2 and this it looks a lot better to me (shadows aren't as lifted/elevated looking). And yep, you have to take so much into account for your user experience (I view at night, matte IPS, what target brightness I want, my display is also not natively capable of 2.4 gamma - closer to 2.2).
These aren't exact frames, but I want to follow-up to show the difference (of course this is display dependent, etc and may be useless haha) |
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Madshi, as you asked, here my settings.bin and my debug log from the supersampling situation where image doubling activates but upscaling refinement does not http://www.filedropper.com/madvrdebugsettings movie resolution : 1280x720 display resolution: 1366x768 thanks for your atention and patience
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