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24th April 2009, 22:37 | #1 | Link |
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Getting started with Mpeg-4 AVC ( presumably x264 for AVC-HD or BD)
My project and roadmap
I. Get familiarized with all these notions/infos/technalities 1.1 - What I know (Or what I think I know) -> process beginning, see below II. Use some applications and GUI's to make encodes 2.1 - Start with comparing beginner's GUIs for x264 * Handbrake * Ripbot * Avidemux -> beginning see below III. Get some hardware for AVC-HD/BD 3.1 - Start with the WD-HDTV player -> some infos, see below IV. Others 4.1 - How to get a compatible BD-RE encode? -> to add whenever needed Update on April 27th 2009 ------------------------- I have not enough time to do timeless searchs with little results so I will try to maximize the gathering of infos on the subject and have it accessible for future users and beginners. I begin this journey as a beginner myself All suggestions are welcome. Any ranting or flameware is not. This thread located in the newbie sub-forum, is written for newbies, I hope informative and not oriented toward technicalities. Did
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24th April 2009, 22:39 | #2 | Link |
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I was kind of frustrated when reading a thread named "Getting started with H264..."
So I re-used the idea but, I hope, to get it to work not to choke ! Let's get started 1.1 What I (need to) know - H264 is a standard for video compression (MPEG4 AVC) - x264 is one (very good) among other codecs for H264 encoding - HD comes in many flavor like: 1280/720 (HD ready), 1920/1080 ( Full HD) - Profiles & levels for H264 MPEG4-AVC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles - High 4.0 profile: 245760 max macroblock 8192 max frame size 20 Mbit/s max video bitrate baseline 25 Mbit/s max video bitrate high profile 60 Mbit/s max video bitrate high 10 profile 80 Mbit/s max video bitrate High 4:2:2 profile 1280x720@68.3 (9) 1920x1080@30.1 (4) 2048x1024@30.0 (4) resolutions and frame rates - HD media standard now seems establish for Blu Ray (BD-ROM) and not HD-DVD - Anamorphic infos and encoding: http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/AnamorphicGuide - Some Mpeg4-Avc containers like mp4, mkv, mov ... ----------------------------------- 2.1 Beginners GUIs for x264 encoding; already proposed: - Handbrake ------------ http://handbrake.fr/ Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HandBrake http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki Inputs: * Any DVD-like source: VIDEO TS folder, DVD image or real DVD (supports decryption through VLC on OS X and libdvdcss on Linux) PAL or NTSC, AC-3, LPCM or MPEG audio tracks. * Any input video file that is supported by the FFmpeg project. This includes nearly every .AVI and .MPG file found in the wild. Outputs: # File format: MP4, AVI, OGM or MKV. # Video: Theora, MPEG-4 or H.264 (1 or 2 passes or constant quantizer encoding). # Audio: AAC, MP3, Vorbis or AC-3 pass-through (supports encoding of several audio tracks). # Misc features: chapter selection; basic subtitle support (burned into the picture); integrated bitrate calculator; picture deinterlacing, cropping and scaling; grayscale encoding - Avidemux ----------- http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ or http://tinyurl.com/4t53rs Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avidemux http://avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Inputs: AVI OpenDML MPEG ASF NuppelVideo Images H.263(+) MPEG-4 QuickTime, 3GP, MP4 OGM Matroska Flash Video Outputs: AVI AVI, unp. VOP AVI, dual audio MPEG video MPEG PS A+V MPEG TS A+V OGM MP4 Matroska Flash Video -Ripbot 264 ----------- http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127611 Wiki: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/wiki....php/RipBot264 A guide: http://www.digital-digest.com/articl...ide_page1.html AVI to AVCHD, AVI to Blu-ray, AVI to MKV, AVI to MP4, Blu-ray to AVCHD, Blu-ray to Blu-ray, Blu-ray to H264, Blu-ray to MKV, Blu-ray to MP4, DivX to AVCHD, DivX to Blu-ray, DivX to MKV, DivX to MP4, DVB to MKV, DVB to MP4, Blu-ray to Blu-ray, HDTV to MKV, HDTV to MP4, M2TS to Blu-ray, M2TS to H264, M2TS to MKV, M2TS to MP4, MKV to Blu-ray, MKV to MKV, MKV to MP4, MP4 to Blu-ray, MP4 to MKV, MP4 to MP4, MPG to AVCHD, MPG to Blu-ray, MPG to MKV, MPG to MP4, VOB to MKV, VOB to MP4, TS to AVCHD, TS to Blu-ray, TS to MKV, TS to MP4, WMV to MKV, WMV to MP4, XviD to MKV, XviD to MP4 More to test: - in french but I believe the GUI can be displayed in english: M4ng http://www.m4ng.fr/ -HDconvertoX http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...93#post1277793 I will do some tests and come back on the subject Did
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Part III - Hardware -
3.1 Western digital TV-HD media player (WD-TVHD) Where to start for hardware - get a standalone player for Blu-ray? - get a BD drive, writer or reader only? - get a multimedia player and which? I opted for the WD-TVHD multimedia player, cheap but supports the following formats: • Video—MKV, OGM, AVI, DivX, WMV, QuickTime, Real, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DVD (VOB) (Codecs: DivX, XviD, MSMPEG4, ASP, H.264, AVC) • Audio—OGG, MP3, WAV, RA, Dolby Digital, AAC, M4A, AU, AIFF • Subtitles—SRT, SSA, ASS, and SAMI It also have many interfaces: * 2 USB for input * Outputs: - Composite AV to SD TV - 1 HDMI AV to HD TV and/or 1 optical (toslink) for audio multichannels to hometheater set Infos: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....p?p_faqid=2697 User manual: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....354292&p_olh=0 I have no easy access to BD/HD material, HD hardware is really expensive here so the WD-TVHD seemed a good start. I just received it so testing will come later. Did
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First tests for some x264 encoders, supposed to be beginner friendly.
I have already ripped my SD test movie (Shrek3 PAL) with RI4ME, movie only, so I have IFO and VOB files. I will DL later a FullHD trailer and redo testing when that kind of source is be available, any to recommend? Goal: see how these app and GUI behaves for a basic (as simple as possible) encoding. Parameters 1 pass CRF22 720/576 no crop and/or anamorphic-crop Audio: AAC-LC 256/288 VBR capable or CBR Profile: High 4.1 if possible Previsualisation before encoding if possible Chapters if possible Handbrake => simple, some options missing --------- CRF notation with percentage not numbers, will try 60% No crop/anamorphic Ok Audio CBR only OK Profile High, 3.0 only but customizable (will need to learn the params for 4.1) 1 pass is around 16fps for 3.0 profile and film settings No real previsualisation, only snapshots via "picture settings" tab Chapters Ok Wiki Ok Ripbot264 => quite simple more options --------- CRF 22 Ok No crop Ok Audio with Abr-Cbr and options Profile High, 4.0 and customizable 1 pass is around 26fps for 4.0 profile and settings Previsualisation via encoding options (preview script) Chapters Ok Wiki Ok Avidemux => more sophisticated, (too) many options -------- CRF 22 Ok No crop Ok Audio with Abr-Cbr and options No profile seen, but customizable 1 pass with basic settings is around 36fps Previsualisation for input/output Chapters? Wiki Ok More to come with other GUI's Let me know if I missed some features or got them wrong, I will update
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28th April 2009, 00:38 | #5 | Link |
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Why don't you wait until you know what you're talking about and then make a comprehensive posting?
Or, if you must have a stream of consciousness, create a blog somewhere? If everyone did this we'd have a total mess on our hands. |
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@BigDid; Not to pile on, but while I found some of the info posted useful, much of is is just plain confusing. I just didn't know what you were listing for most of it. Maybe you should just stick with supported inputs & outputs for most of the encoders listed. Thanks for trying to help us newbs out though. |
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Methinks it's the other way around; that the mess is with the H264/AVC/HD/BD subject and maybe I am just reflecting the beginner incomprehension... Quote:
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20th January 2011, 21:16 | #9 | Link |
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Thanks for this great guide:P
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