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Old 31st December 2005, 02:41   #921  |  Link
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Anonymous CVS access works for me, but developer access now seems to have stopped working.
Yep, I'm evil and disabled CVS write privileges for everyone except admins so that we use the Patch Tracker, hehe. It's a training period so that admins get used to checking it as much as anything else.

Just upload your files as detailed above and they'll get integrated.
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Old 31st December 2005, 02:46   #922  |  Link
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Just to throw an idea out there before i head off to bed...

After a bit of discussion with someone else (LiFE), i've the following idea. How about we ditch the tabular layout, and go for a treeview layout? How do people feel about a treeview layout as opposed to the tabs at the top? Do people prefer the treelayout, or would i be best leaving it as is with the tabs?

Personally, i like treeviews. But if the consensus is "no", then i'll stick with tabs.

(in case you're wondering, a treeview is like the windows explorer view of your harddrive).

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Old 31st December 2005, 03:10   #923  |  Link
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do you have an example of a treeview as i am not quite understanding what you are saying? May be my tiredness.
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Old 31st December 2005, 03:19   #924  |  Link
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This is a tree view. The settings for the video codec could be displayed in the same manner as the folders and subfolders are displayed under the D:


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Old 31st December 2005, 04:45   #925  |  Link
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Yep, I'm evil and disabled CVS write privileges for everyone except admins so that we use the Patch Tracker, hehe. It's a training period so that admins get used to checking it as much as anything else.

Just upload your files as detailed above and they'll get integrated.
Why not add berrinam to the admins?
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Old 31st December 2005, 04:49   #926  |  Link
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Re what we were discussing:
Tree
+ Visual Tree makes it easier to recall where settings are (see recode).
+ Easier to implement a large number of 'sections' (old Firefox had similar)
- Uses more screen real estate

Tabs
+ Compact way of displaying many settings (see MS Office Options)
+ Advanced users feel at home
- Does not scale well for 5+ tabs (see MS Office Options)
- Scares off newbies
- Very difficult to recall which setting is in which tab, particularly if tabs toggle between front and back (Office Options)

Keeping in mind that we're gonna need quite a few more tabs to fit everything in:
- Optional context sensitive help
- Expand the names of the options, atm almost everything is abbrieviated
- Proper drop down lists with explanations
- A few sliders (currently implemented as number boxes)
- Maybe some radio check boxes

To prevent the screen being too big, it will probably be neccessary to have 6 'sections' broken down into
"Rate Control": Includes: Basic Rate Control and Profiles
"Main Options": General Options & Tools
"Advanced Options": Macroblocks and Other Options
"Advanced Rate Control": Rate Control & VBV stuff
"Quantizers": Quantizers
"Zones": Zones

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Old 31st December 2005, 04:57   #927  |  Link
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@all devs: please commit one patch at a time. i mean one commit for each modification of a single feature. it will be easier to read the changes in the cvs and to find the code changes.
For example:
1) modified VideoCodecSettings::clone method implementation
2) removed VideoCodecSettings::clone overrides from all VideoCodecSettings descendants
3) FourCCs is now defined per-type, not per-instance and is readonly!
4) Removed redundant reference to DirectShow videoplayback module

would mean 4 commits.
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Old 31st December 2005, 04:59   #928  |  Link
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The general consensus in the UI/usability community is that tree-views range from slightly bad to very bad unless you have lots of heigharchial groups; I have enough experience with misapplied treeviews to be very wary. Nicer tabs might be nice.

Now that presets are such an easily useable part of the app, thanks to sharktooth's wonderful efforts, my opinion is that the basic first screen should have minimal options: preset and bitrate. I'd argue bitrate should be shown without going into "config", next to profile, unless it's a first pass or automatically derived. Half the time that's the only thing I want to change, the only thing that profiles can't usefully dictate.

Once in config, only basic options should be shown: profile (which should ideally set the profile when changed), mode, B-frames, AVC profile & level, deblock dropdown (low, normal, high, custom). Maybe # reference frames, # b-frames, logfile. And of course, an advanced option, giving us everything else on the first panel split into better categories, plus trellis, me algo, and sar, matrix, and commandline. The rest of the second panel stuff (plus maybe chroma me and cabac?) should be relegated to another panel like "control settings" or "stream settings". "Advanced" doesn't quite fit the bill. Finally a zones option. (Maybe a quantizer edit option, as stated above, but does anyone really want to see and edit those ugly 8-part quantizers from inside megui?) Then doom9 can do whatever he wants with zones.

"Advanced options" can be a set of buttons that opens new panels, or a checkbox that opens more tabs, but I lean toward the former even if it's a bit cluttery. Then you have one control center, not many tabs or a big tree. Definitely don't do buttons as "more..." like XviD, of course, and give the panel a little more room to breathe... and hey, maybe add some pretties like divx, but I won't push that one too hard.

Somewhere, there should be a "multi-processor" option, which sets the number of threads equal to the number of processors on your system, unless you'd rather keep it to #threads option only.

In general UIs should strive to keep the most common settings the most easily accessible, highlight the most important, without overly inconveniencing those who need to change the rest. I hope this proposal sounds as if it would do that.

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Old 31st December 2005, 05:48   #929  |  Link
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Why not add berrinam to the admins?
Because
a) I'm evil (didn't I say that already?) Mmm, blood, blood....
b) Using the Patch Tracker properly means we all need to keep an eye on what people have uploaded. The last thing we want is for someone's contributions to go unnoticed - even if we don't want to integrate his/her mods as they are, we should give a reason.
c) It's New Years' weekend and I thought it would be OK to try out the change (berriman admits he was just fiddling - ahah! um, well whatever)
d) See a), except with added 'nutirients'. MMMm Nutrients! (tack on H. Simpson image)
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Old 31st December 2005, 06:00   #930  |  Link
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CVS update:
0.2.3.1028 - added --bime support (and fixed some controls for NET 1.1 designer...)

Maybe there's some errors coz it 6AM here... but it compiles.
Had no time to post binaries too...
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Old 31st December 2005, 08:56   #931  |  Link
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Could someone post the new sources in any other place, the Cvs seems very busy.

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Old 31st December 2005, 12:06   #932  |  Link
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Somewhere, there should be a "multi-processor" option, which sets the number of threads equal to the number of processors on your system, unless you'd rather keep it to #threads option only.
That's already in the settings and I think it makes sense to keep it there especially seeing that lavc also supports SMP, XviD is about to support it and XviD AVC will support it. I think it's in the interest of most people that if they have an SMP capable system, the encoder makes full use of it, all the time, and they can still control CPU use by using the job priority.

I don't think Treeviews make a lot of sense for a codec configuration either. They make a lot of sense for a usergroup configuration where higher level group inherint from lower level ones and where you can manipulate membership and the "group is part of group" relationship via drag & drop (I built such a thing once.. it's quite awsome when you get it working compared to what we used to have before), but for a codec I don't really see the grouping.
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Old 31st December 2005, 14:23   #933  |  Link
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i uploaded the assemblyinfo.cs to reflect the version change (yesterday was too late to remember that...) and the bins for 0.2.3.1028.
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Old 31st December 2005, 14:54   #934  |  Link
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i uploaded the assemblyinfo.cs to reflect the version change (yesterday was too late to remember that...) and the bins for 0.2.3.1028.
Anonimous cvs takes much time to update, could you post the assembly also here please?
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just change 0.2.3.1027 in 0.2.3.1028 in AssemblyInfo.cs
but yesterday was really too late to remember that...
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Old 31st December 2005, 15:28   #936  |  Link
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It was so late i forgot to do some things too...

CVS update: added the missing stuff...
0.2.3.1028 bins re-released

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Old 31st December 2005, 16:05   #937  |  Link
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A little request
Is it possible to download also the source code for any version as many other projects in sourceforge without use the cvs.

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http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/meg....0.2.3.1028.7z
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Old 31st December 2005, 16:28   #940  |  Link
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Everything within ***'s is going to be a groupbox. The numbers represent different tabs. I'm not sure i have everything placed in the most logical area (mostly because i don't know what they all the options do ), so let me know.
  1. General

    **********************************
    Mode
    Bitrate
    Keyframe interval
    fourcc
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Threads
    **********************************

    **********************************
    AVC Level
    AVC Profile
    **********************************

    **********************************
    User Profile
    **********************************
  2. Macroblock - BFrames

    **********************************
    The existing Macroblock option block
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Ref Frames
    B Frames (number of bframes)
    B Frame Options
    RDO B Frames
    B Frame Bias
    B Frame mode
    **********************************
  3. M.E. - RateControl

    **********************************
    Chroma ME
    Bidirectional ME
    ME Algorithm
    ME Range
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Subpixel Refinement
    Weighted Prediction
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Existing Rate Control Block
    **********************************
  4. Quantisation

    **********************************
    Existing Quantisation options block
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Trellis
    No Fast P-Skip?
    Cabac?
    **********************************

    **********************************
    Quant Matrix selection
    quant matrix file selection
    **********************************
  5. Misc

    **********************************
    Deblock filter
    Alpha Deblock
    Beta Deblock
    SCD Sensitivity
    Min GOP size
    SA
    PSNR Calc
    Custom command line.
    **********************************

EDIT: On an unrelated note.... once i make a change, how do i submit it? Is there a linky somewhere which explains the procedure for creating/submitting a patch?

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