Two AutoGK questions - DivX logo and Audio out-of-sync

[emma]

1. AutoGK leaves DivX logo on Xvid.avi file
I encode using AutoGK 1.0, and after noticing that my last Xvid encode left a DivX logo on the .avi, I uninstalled the DivX codec from the computer I'm using for encodes. So basically I've only got Xvid and AC3 installed on that computer. And still I get a little DivX logo on all my .avis...? *scratching my head* Dragging the file into Gspot, it clearly states it's a Xvid .avi and I label the file accordingly also, but it does look kinda silly with that logo at the beginning... :P

What do I look for, and how do I remove it? Very grateful for any suggestions! Using a win-98 machine for the encodes.


2. Audio out of sync using double-sided DVDs
I have noticed that I get severe out-of-sync audio whenever encoding from a rip of a double-sided DVD or second "movie continues on next" DVD. First side/DVD encodes excellent, and flip-side/second DVD is horribly out of sync. I use DVDecrypt when ripping the DVDs. Is there any setting in it I should change when ripping the flip-side (or second "to be continued") DVD?



Pardon me if these questions should have been somewhere else, perhaps not so much the newbie this forum is intended for, but sure as hell no specialist by any means. Just wasn't sure which forum would be best suited, so feel free to move it to it's appropriate place if needed...

[killingspree]

Originally posted by emma
1. AutoGK leaves DivX logo on Xvid.avi file

What do I look for, and how do I remove it? Very grateful for any suggestions! Using a win-98 machine for the encodes.

Well actually, this is the divx encoding filter that leaves it there. so autogk does't have anything to do with it. you can switch off the logo by going to divx > divx (pro) > config and on the 'quality settings' tab you can check 'disable logo' which should stop the divx codec from displaying this truly a little annoying logo!

2. Audio out of sync using double-sided DVDs
Is there any setting in it I should change when ripping the flip-side (or second "to be continued") DVD?

well this isn't such an easy to answer question. fact is, that just merging the two disks (sides) to one project and then encoding them as one instance can lead to quite a lot of complications. sync being the most obvious one. the easiest solution would be to just encode each half of the movie on one cd, so as if they were two seperate movies!

if you don't want to do it this way, here's some interesting threads that deal with the same problem:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ded+audio+sync
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ded+audio+sync

Pardon me if these questions should have been somewhere else, perhaps not so much the newbie this forum is intended for, but sure as hell no specialist by any means. Just wasn't sure which forum would be best suited, so feel free to move it to it's appropriate place if needed...

no,no those questions fit here alright!
cheers
steVe
PS: the search button can work miracles sometime

[emma]

Originally posted by killingspree

Well actually, this is the divx encoding filter that leaves it there. so autogk does't have anything to do with it. you can switch off the logo by going to divx > divx (pro) > config and on the 'quality settings' tab you can check 'disable logo' which should stop the divx codec from displaying this truly a little annoying logo!

Thanks! I didn't mean to imply that autogk did this, wouldn't make sense at all if it did, lol! Seeing how I already uninstalled DivX it's a bit of a conundrum though. Will try to see whatever remains there are from the previous install of DivX and follow your advice!

Originally posted by killingspree

well this isn't such an easy to answer question. fact is, that just merging the two disks (sides) to one project and then encoding them as one instance can lead to quite a lot of complications. sync being the most obvious one. the easiest solution would be to just encode each half of the movie on one cd, so as if they were two seperate movies!

if you don't want to do it this way, here's some interesting threads that deal with the same problem:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ded+audio+sync
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ded+audio+sync
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Thanks for the links, I'm already making them into separate instances but still get the audio delay. I'll read through the threads, pardon for not finding them after doing my initial searches.

[emma]

Oh dear me, read through those threads, and I'm afraid that they were like greek to me.

Lemme explain my problem better. For instance, I have a double-sided DVD of Bladerunner. One side contains the fullscreen version, the second side the widescreen version. Ripping and encoding the widescreen version gives me out-of-sync audio. When opening the .avi up in virtual-dub to correct it, I get a black screen with a text stating: "Warning: Nothing to output BFrame decoder lag"

It's not about merging dvd's, but it's ripping a flip-side or a continued DVD as an entity of it's own.

I have done this with several other rips, and ALWAYS the flip-side, even though decrypted separately as well as encoded separately, it gives me this problem. Being somewhat "un-educated", and well quite frankly, not really interested, in fiddling to no end with my rips, lol, I would just like to find a way where it doesn't happen at all, if you see what I mean. Bringing the .avi into other editing proggies once the encoding process is done, is just not fun! LOL! Guess I want too much... :P

[killingspree]

Originally posted by emma
Thanks! I didn't mean to imply that autogk did this, wouldn't make sense at all if it did, lol! Seeing how I already uninstalled DivX it's a bit of a conundrum though. Will try to see whatever remains there are from the previous install of DivX and follow your advice!

i know that, but perhaps this wasn't the only instance of divx you had installed. anyway, iirc only divx 5.x places this logo, so older versions shouldn't bother you - at least not for that reason!

Thanks for the links, I'm already making them into separate instances but still get the audio delay. I'll read through the threads, pardon for not finding them after doing my initial searches.

that's ok

ahm... but wait a second, when do you get the audio delay exactly? (at what part of the process, AND at what part in the movie?)

steVe

[killingspree]

oh... got a second reply while i was typing there

sorry, missunderstood your second question there a little bit i guess :/

When opening the .avi up in virtual-dub to correct it, I get a black screen with a text stating: "Warning: Nothing to output BFrame decoder lag"
this is a known xvid problem... honestly i do not know if it is still happening in RC3, but if you're not using this latest version you might want to try to update. it should not have any effect on your audio sync though...

so anyway, to get this right: you got a flip sided DVD with a movie on one side that encodes ok, but the same movie with a different ar (say 4:3 - but actually don't matter) on the other side. if you encode the second movie seperately in exactly the same way you did it with the other side, you have audio sync problems?!

cheers
steVe

[emma]

//edit: Yes, that's exactly it. Same dvd fine on one side, out of sync on the flip-side. //

hahaha, we must have made the posts simultaneously... The post above yours explains a bit more of my problem.

When? Well, it's out-of-sync in a consistant way from get go. Usually I only need to set the interleave option in virtual dub differently, and I get a perfect sync through-out the entire file to fix this (a long a tiresome fiddle-process). I'm not sure WHEN the problem occurs, in my mind it would make sense that DVDecrypt needs to be looked at settings-wise, when using a flip-side/continued disk, but of course my mind is not the most reliable thing around... :P Don't think it's in the encoding process though.

About the DivX logo thingie, no remains of DivX anywhere on the computer, just did a search, so I simply reinstalled it, and checked the "disable" box, lol! *keeping my fingers crossed* I'm really riddled with PC gremlins, most likely because I don't know enough, but that computer I cleaned up from codecs a few weeks ago, as in COMPLETELY erasing EVERYTHING the disk and installing just the two codecs, divx and xvid that I use for my encodes, and autogk alongside with dvdecrypt, to make sure I wouldn't get any probs. *duh* Probably just a matter of not knowing what to look for.

edit// Oh and thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to go through my confusing explanations. I really should try to get da lingo down, one of these days. //

[killingspree]

Originally posted by emma
//edit: Yes, that's exactly it. Same dvd fine on one side, out of sync on the flip-side. //

hahaha, we must have made the posts simultaneously... The post above yours explains a bit more of my problem.

but you only encode one side at a time...

true we have been posting simultaniously for quite some time now :P

When? Well, it's out-of-sync in a consistant way from get go. Usually I only need to set the interleave option in virtual dub differently, and I get a perfect sync through-out the entire file to fix this (a long a tiresome fiddle-process). I'm not sure WHEN the problem occurs, in my mind it would make sense that DVDecrypt needs to be looked at settings-wise, when using a flip-side/continued disk, but of course my mind is not the most reliable thing around... :P Don't think it's in the encoding process though.

can you pls post your autoGK settings aswell as a your logfile , slowly but surely you're getting me a little confused

About the DivX logo thingie, ...

so it's gone now ?!

steVe

[emma]

I haven't had time to encode anything since that last post, but I'll let you know next time I start one up!

Yes, I rip one side, and encode it. Just a normal ripping/encoding process.

The out-of-sync problem ONLY occurs when using the flip-side or a "continued" DVD.

Settings in autoGK: Xvid, AC3, 2 cd's 1400 megs, and that's pretty much it. The full .avi file that it makes before splitting it into two, is also out of sync, btw.

As far as posting logfiles, I'm not sure what it is you want to see. I've got a stream-info file, made by dvdecrypt (I think), and a tmp-folder with lots of stuff in it, this from my latest attempt made of another movie, Once upon a time in America (labeled "movietitle" below). The rest of them I've discharded.

The file contents of the tmp-folder is:
_.avi
_.avs
frames.log
interlace.log
lastjob.vcf
movietitle_AC3T013_2ch384Kbps Delay -74ms.ac
movietitle.d2v
movietitle_codec.log
movietitle_comptest.avi
movietitle_comptest.avs
movietitle_movie.avs

Any of these you want to see?
____________________________________

Here's the stream info from decrypt:

0x20 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 3823 / PTS: 00:00:06.053 / Delay: 5925ms
0x21 - Subtitle - Français - [SubPicture 02: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 3822 / PTS: 00:00:06.053 / Delay: 5925ms
0x22 - Subtitle - Arabic - [SubPicture 03: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 3821 / PTS: 00:00:06.053 / Delay: 5925ms
0x23 - Subtitle - Nederlands - [SubPicture 04: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 3856 / PTS: 00:00:06.133 / Delay: 6005ms
0x24 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 05: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 3820 / PTS: 00:00:06.053 / Delay: 5925ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 1775 / PTS: 00:00:00.053 / Delay: -74ms
0x81 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Français / LBA: 1774 / PTS: 00:00:00.053 / Delay: -74ms
0x82 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English - Director's Comments / LBA: 1776 / PTS: 00:00:00.053 / Delay: -74ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.128 / Delay: 0ms

Thanks again!

[emma]

*duh* Just found out that the DivX logo is displayed on my other computer by the DivX bundle there when playing the file, not put into the rip permanently... Go figure! Was wondering how on earth it could end up on the file without any existing codecs on the pc I encode on. Looks like I gotta find out why my other computer plays the file using DivX. Guess it's time to uninstall it, lol!

[killingspree]

good... well nno need to have divx installed for playback only. imho ffdshow (and xvid for better xvid playback - there's aparently some problem with ffdshow playing xvid files) is more than sufficient!!

oh and about the log files, nope those were not the ones i was talking about... i am looking for the one that holds the data which is displayed in the log window in the lower left corner of autogk!!

cheers
steVe

[emma]

Ah, those logs are long gone, of course. Would have to make a new rip in order to get hold of those. Unless they are saved elsewhere on the computer?

[killingspree]

no, sorry they're not saved anywhere else...
perhaps if you have time to, do a new rip overnight and post the log next morning...

but befor that, i'll ask a few guys to take a look at this thread and see if they've got any ideas

cheers
steVe

[emma]

Thanks Steve. Please don't think me an ingrate, but it'd take 24 hours to go through the encoding again, just to reach the same kind of problem files... hmmm... think I'll wait and see if I'm desperate enough tomorrow to start it up AGAIN, lol!

Again, I'm really appreciating this!

[killingspree]

Originally posted by emma
Thanks Steve. Please don't think me an ingrate, but it'd take 24 hours to go through the encoding again, just to reach the same kind of problem files...

no problem, perhaps we can figure the problem out some other way!!

steVe

[manono]

Hi-

I know you said you don't want to mess with them after they've come out of AutoGK. You just want it to work. But think of it as paying back the developer for all the work he's done in handing you this great and easy to use tool. And your testing may help out the next person. Try this:

Take one of the split movies with the audio problem and open it in VDubMod (ignore that B-Frame lag message-it's normal). Set Video to Direct Stream Copy. Then go Streams->Stream List and you'll see the AC3 audio. Right-click on it and hit Interleaving. Then set Preload to 96 ms. Set Interleave Audio to 96 ms (NOT Frames). If there's a delay (listed in the audio file name) set that also. Then OK your way out of there. Then go File->Save As... and give it a different name. Wait a minute or two. Then play the new version and let us know if the problem is gone or not.

And by the way, I wouldn't recommend the DivX player, or WMP 8 or 9. Get yourself a real player, like BSPlayer, Media Player Classic or the Zoom Player. I find the BSPlayer quite easy to use. You can find them here:

http://www.doom9.org/software.htm#players

Thanks much.

[emma]

Ah, yeah, that information probably has drowned in all the stuff that I've written. I've had to use v-dub and alter the interleave settings each time I've ripped/encoded a b-side DVD or continued DVD. It's not having to do that each time that is what I'd like to find out. Autogk gives me GREAT encodes, I'm always marvelled by the results, and normally I don't have to do a thing, when finished.

And not to be snotty or anything, if the rip/encode is good and the proper codecs are installed, ANY player should do the job playing the file, no? Anyways, I use the Core mediaplayer, BS-player and sometimes even Windows Media Player, so I guess I'm doing all things you suggested already, lol!

Does this mean I'm alone in having the flip-side/following DVD problem, then? Oh, and another thing, I've tried with two different computers, different DVD-drives, and gotten the same problem on both of them.

[manono]

Hi-

Well then, I sure wasn't much help, was I?

To answer your question, no, I've never heard of a problem with doing the second side of a DVD where the first side is Full Screen and the 2nd side is Wide Screen. It's certainly strange, and I guess you're lucky there aren't too many of those. And within a few years, with any luck, Pan And Scan movies should be a thing of the past.

[emma]

Just my luck having had three separate rips with this prob... Once Upon a Time in America, that I mentioned above, Dr Zhivago and Bladerunner. *kicking myself for going for those titles*

[killingspree]

well i've only done one kind of this disk. It was Deamon, R2, German and both sides ripped and encoded perfectly...

hmm anyway, thanks Tom (manono) for taking a look at this...

steVe