Stereo to 6.1 with Sony Sound Forge 9 (VST-SRS Circle)

Elektra999 · 14th April 2007, 18:44

Hello
Sony Sound Forge 9a, with AC3 Encoder Dolby Surround EX 6.1

00. Menu / Options / Preferences / Audio, Select ASIO4ALL / Apply / OK.

01. Menu / File / Open track stereo.
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

Apply / OK.

05. Click (green - arrow)

to look for plug-in appropriate: Circle Surround / VI.I,… Add / OK.

06. ClicK (arrow - Image) Processing selecction.

It will begin to process, in minutes, we will have 6 wav mono.

Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE, but we did not create it, since, in Audio Service we will mark Enable LFE

07. Menu / File / Save Ass...

- Dolby Digital AC3 Pro
- Click Custom

OK and Save

DOLBY SURROUND EX 6.1

xbox360 · 15th April 2007, 02:04

If I play this Dolby 6.1 EX on a 5.1 system will it down-mix or ignore the extra channels ?

xbox360 · 15th April 2007, 03:30

Also can use Sony Sound Forge 8.0d ?
Oviously you cant use Sony Sound Forge 8.0d.

ACrowley · 15th April 2007, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbox360

If I play this Dolby 6.1 EX on a 5.1 system will it down-mix or ignore the extra channels ?

A proper Decoder will blend the RC into SL SR

The Dolby Digital Pro Encoder vers 7 is the same as in Veags7.0d

Thx for your Guide.
I made a few DD EX Matrix encodes, works fine

Elektra999 · 15th April 2007, 16:55

Sony Sound Forge version 9, takes, the AC3 Encoder (Dolby Surround EX 6.1 and I believe that the 7.1)
Sony Forge 8d, not AC3 Encode.

Greetings
Frank

ACrowley · 15th April 2007, 19:48

yep...theres no AC3 encoder for Soundforge8 only the new version 9 can encode AC3

Elektra999 · 15th April 2007, 20:09

The new version of Sony Sound Forge 9, can do 7.1

I will continue experimenting

xbox360 · 16th April 2007, 12:06

I hope you will find a way to make 7.1 ex not 6.1 ex. Then alas dvd's can rest in peace (RIP)

Elektra999 · 17th April 2007, 17:42

Sony Sound Forge 9 with Dolby Digital Pro, it does not make AC3 7.1, yes AC3 6.1 16/48000, not 24/48000.

Elektra999 · 17th April 2007, 19:33

Hello Steve
In order to do 6,1 with VI.I, I have had to create project 7.1

His VI.I in Sony Sound Forge 9

It works perfectly

ursamtl · 17th April 2007, 22:47

This is great news. I'll add it to the list of supported programs.

Thanks,
Steve.

Elektra999 · 18th April 2007, 12:52

Hello Steve
I have been able to observe, who, Sony Sound Forge 9 cannot export the 7 WAV mono (created with VI.I), either in Dolby Surround EX, since, with Sony Sound Forge 9, only there are 2 projects: 5.1 and 7,1, 6,1 does not exist.
But that can be done, 5,1 with V.I

Greetings

ursamtl · 18th April 2007, 13:27

Ok thanks, Elektra. Perhaps I'll put on my thinking cap and come up with a VII.I ;-)

Elektra999 · 18th April 2007, 20:17

Hello

VII.I ¡¡milk!!

Octomax 2,0, also works in Sony Sony Forge 9

The HDCD (High Definition Compatible Digital) of Digital Dolby Pro, very is improved for CDs:

Encoded CDs sound better because they are encoded with 20bits of real musical information as compared to 16bits for all other CDs.
My amplifier Marantz no HDCD

¿Is some no firmware? for Marantz SR-7500?

Elektra999 · 5th May 2007, 23:16

Sony Sound Forge 9 with Circle Surround, it is heard bad in my home cinema 6.1. Track 4 is LFE (in Sony Sound Forge 9) not Surround Center. I'm sorry.

SealTooGreat · 6th May 2007, 01:28

Don't Let Sun Go down on me.cda
(first post tutorial)
04. Menu / File / Properties.
Changing to 48000Hz, George Michael's vocal sounds different(more like woman voice). Why? Can i encode to Dolby Surround EX 6.1, while keeping 44100Hz?

edit: how to export separate 6 wav mono channels from Sony Sound Forge 9? (with one click, not bothering with copy/paste to "new files")

By the way, Sony Sound Forge 9 says that i have to buy ac3 encoder.

edit:
resample 44100 to 48000: "Process->Resample..." >>>New Sample Rate=48,000, Interpolation Accuracy=4("4" is for audiophile according to help ) , anti-alias filter NONE(help says anti-alias is only for downsampling ). Now, in "Menu->File->Properties->Format", 44,100Hz is automatically updated to 48,000Hz. (I haven't changed anything manually )
Now, George Michael's vocal is the same.

Some comments about guide:
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

Elektra999, first, you're setting 32bits float in process menu, and than change bith-depth to 16bits in "Properties->Format" - I think this is used for INFO only.

My input was 44100Hz and changing 48000Hz in "Properties->Format" gave me weird result with vocal.
I assume converting to 32bits float is for accuracy?Am i right?!
Can you explane what is "DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file)" used for?!(I've forgotton that there's a help file

)

Try to set "Properties->Format->channels= 8 (7.1 Surround)". After "Process Selection" with Circle Surround, you will get 7 channels (6+1) and 1 empty.
But problem for me, is that I don't know which one is for which channel orientation.
Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE

Is this workable for real 6.1 channel? Or there's a substitution between 4 and 7?

SealTooGreat · 10th May 2007, 00:26

You need Nero installed. (my ver 7.8.5.0)
I've used CD audio track.
Rename GraphEdit to Recode.
Use "File writer" to write WAV file.

Here's what Nero Sound Processor have to offer:

Here's how that way created wav7+1 looks in Sound Forge 9:

It was well accepted by sonic scenarist 4.1
But I don't have Dolby Digital Plus (7.1ch) encoder

Elektra999 · 10th May 2007, 12:08

This Dolby Digital Pro of Sony sound forge 9, can be done the 6.1, but I do not believe that the 7.1.

- When doing the 6.1, there is bug (error) in channel SC., in Dolby Digital Pro (channel EX) with SRS Circle and VI.I
- Download VI.I 6.1 and V.I 5.1
- Dolby Digital Pro of Sony Sorge 9, not 44100, yes 48000.
- Creation Dolby Digital 5.1 in Sony Forge 9, perfect with V.I

SealTooGreat · 11th May 2007, 06:49

Direct Information from http://www.dolby.com
Dolby Digital EX
Dolby Digital Surround EX

Taken from www.yamaha.co.jp
Dolby Digital EX:
Dolby's latest surround format, this is Dolby Digital with an added center rear channel. The rear center channel is actually matrixed into the two rear channels, and is extracted upon playback. (Formerly called Dolby Digital Surround EX, or Dolby Digital Matrix 6.1.)
...so DD EX = DD Surround EX ...and EX is just matrix-encoded flag and nothing more.

Conclusion, if you want to encode to DD EX you only need 5+1 ch, 'cause DD EX sound mix is not encoded as true 6.1 audio. In DD EX capable encoder select: "Digital Surround EX encoded". Depending on your decoder(if it's EX certified) and speaker configuration (6.1 or 7.1) you will get EX 6.1 or EX 7.1 surround, respectivelly, during playback.

Even if a cinema is not equipped with the extra Surround EX speakers in the rear, the information intended for it will be played through the traditional left and right surround channels - so always keep DD_encoder's option "Digital Surround EX encoded" selected, in order to get additional psycoacoustic-sound info.

Stereo to 6.1 upmixing is only useful if you have DTS-ES Discrete or Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD.
Stereo to 7.1 - Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD.

btw, DVD Architect 4.0 gave me Dolby Digital AC3 pro

Elektra999 · 11th May 2007, 12:25

Hello
Yes,
- Dolby Surround EX, channels SL, SR, CS Matrix
- DTS ES Matrix, channel SC Matrix
- DTS ES Diiscrete, channel SC Discrete.

- Plug-in SRS Circle Surround, channels Discrete, Dolby Surround EX channels Matrix, this is the reason of the error in Sony Sound Forge 9.

- Plug-in VI.I, channels Matrix, authoring in Sony Sound Forge 9, to export one WAV 8 channels a Sony Vegas 7e.
- Delete track 8
- Encoded Dolby Surround EX in Sony Vegas 7e, very good results, yes Dolby Surround EX with VI.I perfect ¡¡WOOWWW!!
Proyect 6.1 Sony Vegas
http://rapidshare.com/files/30696328/VI.I_6.1.rar

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Stereo to 6.1 with Sony Sound Forge 9 (VST-SRS Circle) Hello Sony Sound Forge 9a, with AC3 Encoder Dolby Surround EX 6.1 00. Menu / Options / Preferences / Audio, Select ASIO4ALL / Apply / OK. 01. Menu / File / Open track stereo. 02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK. 03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK. 04. Menu / File / Properties. Apply / OK. 05. Click (green - arrow) to look for plug-in appropriate: Circle Surround / VI.I,… Add / OK. 06. ClicK (arrow - Image) Processing selecction. It will begin to process, in minutes, we will have 6 wav mono. Track 1 = FL Track 2 = FR Track 3 = Center Track 4 = Surround Center Track 5 = SL Track 6 = SR Track 7 = LFE, but we did not create it, since, in Audio Service we will mark Enable LFE 07. Menu / File / Save Ass... - Dolby Digital AC3 Pro - Click Custom OK and Save DOLBY SURROUND EX 6.1 __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel* Last edited by Elektra999; 15th April 2007 at 20:20.

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Sony Sound Forge version 9, takes, the AC3 Encoder (Dolby Surround EX 6.1 and I believe that the 7.1) Sony Forge 8d, not AC3 Encode. Greetings Frank __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel*

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	The new version of Sony Sound Forge 9, can do 7.1 I will continue experimenting __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel*

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Sony Sound Forge 9 with Dolby Digital Pro, it does not make AC3 7.1, yes AC3 6.1 16/48000, not 24/48000. __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel*

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xbox360 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Region 3 with NDS Encryption Posts: 355	If I play this Dolby 6.1 EX on a 5.1 system will it down-mix or ignore the extra channels ?

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ACrowley Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,008	yep...theres no AC3 encoder for Soundforge8 only the new version 9 can encode AC3

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xbox360 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Region 3 with NDS Encryption Posts: 355	I hope you will find a way to make 7.1 ex not 6.1 ex. Then alas dvd's can rest in peace (RIP)

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Hello Steve In order to do 6,1 with VI.I, I have had to create project 7.1 His VI.I in Sony Sound Forge 9 It works perfectly __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel*

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ursamtl Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 729	This is great news. I'll add it to the list of supported programs. Thanks, Steve.

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Hello Steve I have been able to observe, who, Sony Sound Forge 9 cannot export the 7 WAV mono (created with VI.I), either in Dolby Surround EX, since, with Sony Sound Forge 9, only there are 2 projects: 5.1 and 7,1, 6,1 does not exist. But that can be done, 5,1 with V.I Greetings __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel*

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ursamtl Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 729	Ok thanks, Elektra. Perhaps I'll put on my thinking cap and come up with a VII.I ;-)

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Hello VII.I ¡¡milk!! Octomax 2,0, also works in Sony Sony Forge 9 The HDCD (High Definition Compatible Digital) of Digital Dolby Pro, very is improved for CDs: Encoded CDs sound better because they are encoded with 20bits of real musical information as compared to 16bits for all other CDs. My amplifier Marantz no HDCD ¿Is some no firmware? for Marantz SR-7500? __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel* Last edited by Elektra999; 18th April 2007 at 20:47.

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Sony Sound Forge 9 with Circle Surround, it is heard bad in my home cinema 6.1. Track 4 is LFE (in Sony Sound Forge 9) not Surround Center. I'm sorry. __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel* Last edited by Elektra999; 5th May 2007 at 23:34.

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SealTooGreat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 302	Don't Let Sun Go down on me.cda (first post tutorial) 04. Menu / File / Properties. Changing to 48000Hz, George Michael's vocal sounds different(more like woman voice). Why? Can i encode to Dolby Surround EX 6.1, while keeping 44100Hz? edit: how to export separate 6 wav mono channels from Sony Sound Forge 9? (with one click, not bothering with copy/paste to "new files") By the way, Sony Sound Forge 9 says that i have to buy ac3 encoder. edit: resample 44100 to 48000: "Process->Resample..." >>>New Sample Rate=48,000, Interpolation Accuracy=4("4" is for audiophile according to help ) , anti-alias filter NONE(help says anti-alias is only for downsampling ). Now, in "Menu->File->Properties->Format", 44,100Hz is automatically updated to 48,000Hz. (I haven't changed anything manually ) Now, George Michael's vocal is the same. Some comments about guide: 02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK. 03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK. 04. Menu / File / Properties. Elektra999, first, you're setting 32bits float in process menu, and than change bith-depth to 16bits in "Properties->Format" - I think this is used for INFO only. My input was 44100Hz and changing 48000Hz in "Properties->Format" gave me weird result with vocal. I assume converting to 32bits float is for accuracy?Am i right?! Can you explane what is "DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file)" used for?!(I've forgotton that there's a help file ) Try to set "Properties->Format->channels= 8 (7.1 Surround)". After "Process Selection" with Circle Surround, you will get 7 channels (6+1) and 1 empty. But problem for me, is that I don't know which one is for which channel orientation. Track 1 = FL Track 2 = FR Track 3 = Center Track 4 = Surround Center Track 5 = SL Track 6 = SR Track 7 = LFE Is this workable for real 6.1 channel? Or there's a substitution between 4 and 7? Last edited by SealTooGreat; 6th May 2007 at 14:42.

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SealTooGreat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 302	Stereo to 7.1 upmix using Nero Sound Processor and GraphEdit You need Nero installed. (my ver 7.8.5.0) I've used CD audio track. Rename GraphEdit to Recode. Use "File writer" to write WAV file. Here's what Nero Sound Processor have to offer: Here's how that way created wav7+1 looks in Sound Forge 9: It was well accepted by sonic scenarist 4.1 But I don't have Dolby Digital Plus (7.1ch) encoder Last edited by SealTooGreat; 11th May 2007 at 07:21.

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	This Dolby Digital Pro of Sony sound forge 9, can be done the 6.1, but I do not believe that the 7.1. - When doing the 6.1, there is bug (error) in channel SC., in Dolby Digital Pro (channel EX) with SRS Circle and VI.I - Download VI.I 6.1 and V.I 5.1 - Dolby Digital Pro of Sony Sorge 9, not 44100, yes 48000. - Creation Dolby Digital 5.1 in Sony Forge 9, perfect with V.I __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel* Last edited by Elektra999; 10th May 2007 at 16:11.

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SealTooGreat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 302	Direct Information from http://www.dolby.com Dolby Digital EX Dolby Digital Surround EX Taken from www.yamaha.co.jp Dolby Digital EX: Dolby's latest surround format, this is Dolby Digital with an added center rear channel. The rear center channel is actually matrixed into the two rear channels, and is extracted upon playback. (Formerly called Dolby Digital Surround EX, or Dolby Digital Matrix 6.1.) ...so DD EX = DD Surround EX ...and EX is just matrix-encoded flag and nothing more. Conclusion, if you want to encode to DD EX you only need 5+1 ch, 'cause DD EX sound mix is not encoded as true 6.1 audio. In DD EX capable encoder select: "Digital Surround EX encoded". Depending on your decoder(if it's EX certified) and speaker configuration (6.1 or 7.1) you will get EX 6.1 or EX 7.1 surround, respectivelly, during playback. Even if a cinema is not equipped with the extra Surround EX speakers in the rear, the information intended for it will be played through the traditional left and right surround channels - so always keep DD_encoder's option "Digital Surround EX encoded" selected, in order to get additional psycoacoustic-sound info. Stereo to 6.1 upmixing is only useful if you have DTS-ES Discrete or Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD. Stereo to 7.1 - Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD. btw, DVD Architect 4.0 gave me Dolby Digital AC3 pro Last edited by SealTooGreat; 11th May 2007 at 08:54.

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Elektra999 DTS Pro Series Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 179	Hello Yes, - Dolby Surround EX, channels SL, SR, CS Matrix - DTS ES Matrix, channel SC Matrix - DTS ES Diiscrete, channel SC Discrete. - Plug-in SRS Circle Surround, channels Discrete, Dolby Surround EX channels Matrix, this is the reason of the error in Sony Sound Forge 9. - Plug-in VI.I, channels Matrix, authoring in Sony Sound Forge 9, to export one WAV 8 channels a Sony Vegas 7e. - Delete track 8 - Encoded Dolby Surround EX in Sony Vegas 7e, very good results, yes Dolby Surround EX with VI.I perfect ¡¡WOOWWW!! Proyect 6.1 Sony Vegas http://rapidshare.com/files/30696328/VI.I_6.1.rar __________________ *Addict to the audio multichannel* Last edited by Elektra999; 11th May 2007 at 12:32.

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