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pankov · 9th April 2011, 13:51

guys,
does anybody of you have a short sample that I can use to test A/V sync?
I'm talking about the ones that show something like a clock face with big numbers and beeps at the 00 (12 o'clock) mark.
I've seen such in the beginning of some movies but never got my hands on one

madshi,
I apologize for the off topic talk but I guess we are (or at least I am) very eager for your next version and that's why we all keep checking the thread and chat while waiting

Thunderbolt8 · 9th April 2011, 13:57

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Originally Posted by leeperry

and who cares about what you think again

natural limitations do.

leeperry · 9th April 2011, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt8

natural limitations do.

you know, I was also called on bs when I said that 23.976 sounded too slow compared to 24fps.

it's easy to A/B in Reclock, and a 0.1% pitch variation is very much audible...especially on music. Everything sounds sloooooooow, like a FUBAR revox if you see what I mean..or a slightly out of tune musical instrument.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://h...sbwzudV1LZMyLw

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The normal human ear can detect the difference between 440 Hz and 441 Hz

I had better links, but I can't be hassled to search for them...as long as I don't have to listen to a 400ms desync'ed movie rig, I'll be just fine

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Originally Posted by pankov

does anybody of you have a short sample that I can use to test A/V sync?

IME the best is a lips close-up, it's very easy to spot when you're perfectly synced.

maybe you could create a separate thread to make madshi's work easier in this very thread

Thunderbolt8 · 9th April 2011, 14:22

pitch variation is something different. but audio video sync comparison by 5ms is basically impossible, especially in case of lip sync. every human has different voice onsets when producing different letters. if anything, its easier with mechanical sounds.

Qaq · 9th April 2011, 15:08

Sometimes i have to add tracks to movies. I prefer scenes with gun shots to find minimal delay. Can't get better than +/-50ms. I need leeperry's phones I guess.

Thunderbolt8 · 9th April 2011, 15:22

shots are usually pretty good, yes. in matrix, theres a scene when they enter that building and shooting is shown in slow motion. then you got the muzzle flash and the audio of few shots after another in the same rhythm, I think thats a good scene to really see how accurate you can be with delay.

sneaker_ger · 9th April 2011, 15:25

I highly doubt that movies on DVD/Blu-Ray/Film are synched that exactly in the first place and personally don't believe anyone until I witness them proving it in a proper blind test. But you are correct, this is off topic unless madVR is the culprit of any delay.

madshi · 9th April 2011, 16:23

Please stay on-topic, guys. Thanks.

mr.duck · 9th April 2011, 16:59

madVR OSD is not very clear. Using MPC with EVR I set the OSD font to Calibri size 20. With the opaque background it looks very good and is clear and easy to read. Would like the same for madVR

Qaq · 9th April 2011, 17:23

Yeah, why not. I want OSD font to be twice bigger.

leeperry · 9th April 2011, 17:27

I'm color-blind, I can't read the damn OSD w/o squinting like hell

madshi · 9th April 2011, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Abradoks

Yeah. And I've tried with default settings, and tried to enable/disable LAN support, etc. There is no real network activity from madVR with disabled LAN support, but it still triggers HIPS.

So the complaint you get now is different from what you got before? (since you're saying that there's no real network activity)

Is there a free/demo version of that firewall you're using available?

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Originally Posted by Abradoks

Should be \src\apps\mplayerc\FGManager.cpp:2207

Thanks, I'll check that out!

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Originally Posted by mr.duck

madVR OSD is not very clear. Using MPC with EVR I set the OSD font to Calibri size 20. With the opaque background it looks very good and is clear and easy to read. Would like the same for madVR

You mean the tiny red fonts used by madVR? Yeah, they are too small. But then in windowed mode if the video is small, with bigger fonts the whole OSD contents wouldn't fit into the video window. Maybe I should scale the font size with the video resolution. But then I've so many more important things to do right now...

madshi · 9th April 2011, 19:37

Just for your information: The final exclusive mode rendering path appears to work (more or less). I still need to do some fine tuning, though. Should be ready for release tomorrow...

SamuriHL · 9th April 2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by madshi

Just for your information: The final exclusive mode rendering path appears to work (more or less). I still need to do some fine tuning, though. Should be ready for release tomorrow...

That's awesome! Can't wait to see that change. Thanks, madshi! Looking forward to it.

pankov · 9th April 2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by madshi

Just for your information: The final exclusive mode rendering path appears to work (more or less). I still need to do some fine tuning, though. Should be ready for release tomorrow...

You are the best!

jeremy33 · 9th April 2011, 20:27

You are the best madshi !

For those who want to test the sync of their installation I just found this site http://editorsean.com/blog/49-audiovideosynctest with audio video sync test sample

mr.duck · 9th April 2011, 21:33

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Originally Posted by madshi

You mean the tiny red fonts used by madVR?

I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about. I mean this OSD in the top left...

It is always the same size regardless of the window/video size (as it should be).

I want it to be exactly the same as the OSD that you would get with MPC-HC + EVR.

fairchild · 9th April 2011, 22:12

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Originally Posted by mr.duck

I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about. I mean this OSD in the top left...

He's talking about the font of the stat's when you do CTRL+J with MadVR rendering.

Abradoks · 9th April 2011, 23:15

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Originally Posted by madshi

So the complaint you get now is different from what you got before? (since you're saying that there's no real network activity)

Is there a free/demo version of that firewall you're using available?

Well, there are two parts of firewall: HIPS and network filter. Netfilter is ok now (no packets sent by madVR). But it still triggers HIPS by trying to use some kind of network related functions. You can get trial version here. But it should be same with any other HIPS.

robpdotcom · 10th April 2011, 00:30

Madshi, what improvements/differences are we likely to see with the final FSE rendering path?

Regarding the OSD (not the "red" OSD), I much prefer madVR's over the normal MPC-HC one - it just looks more modern. Combined with the FSE seekbar, it feels like a more modern player all around.

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pankov Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 661	guys, does anybody of you have a short sample that I can use to test A/V sync? I'm talking about the ones that show something like a clock face with big numbers and beeps at the 00 (12 o'clock) mark. I've seen such in the beginning of some movies but never got my hands on one madshi, I apologize for the off topic talk but I guess we are (or at least I am) very eager for your next version and that's why we all keep checking the thread and chat while waiting Last edited by pankov; 9th April 2011 at 13:54.

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mr.duck quack quack Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 259	madVR OSD is not very clear. Using MPC with EVR I set the OSD font to Calibri size 20. With the opaque background it looks very good and is clear and easy to read. Would like the same for madVR __________________ Media Player Classic Home Cinema Icon Library: NORMAL VERSION / GLOWING VERSION

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jeremy33 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 172	You are the best madshi ! For those who want to test the sync of their installation I just found this site http://editorsean.com/blog/49-audiovideosynctest with audio video sync test sample __________________ How to setup MPC-HC with ffdshow, avisynth, reclock and more - Ezoden.com

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robpdotcom Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 297	Madshi, what improvements/differences are we likely to see with the final FSE rendering path? Regarding the OSD (not the "red" OSD), I much prefer madVR's over the normal MPC-HC one - it just looks more modern. Combined with the FSE seekbar, it feels like a more modern player all around. __________________ Windows 7 x64 i7 870 16GB RAM AMD 6870

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9th April 2011, 14:22	#6584 \| Link
Thunderbolt8 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,197	pitch variation is something different. but audio video sync comparison by 5ms is basically impossible, especially in case of lip sync. every human has different voice onsets when producing different letters. if anything, its easier with mechanical sounds.

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Qaq AV heretic Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 422	Sometimes i have to add tracks to movies. I prefer scenes with gun shots to find minimal delay. Can't get better than +/-50ms. I need leeperry's phones I guess.

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Thunderbolt8 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,197	shots are usually pretty good, yes. in matrix, theres a scene when they enter that building and shooting is shown in slow motion. then you got the muzzle flash and the audio of few shots after another in the same rhythm, I think thats a good scene to really see how accurate you can be with delay.

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sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	I highly doubt that movies on DVD/Blu-Ray/Film are synched that exactly in the first place and personally don't believe anyone until I witness them proving it in a proper blind test. But you are correct, this is off topic unless madVR is the culprit of any delay.

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madshi Registered Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,140	Please stay on-topic, guys. Thanks.

9th April 2011, 17:23	#6590 \| Link
Qaq AV heretic Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 422	Yeah, why not. I want OSD font to be twice bigger.

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leeperry Kid for Today Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,477	I'm color-blind, I can't read the damn OSD w/o squinting like hell

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madshi Registered Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,140	Just for your information: The final exclusive mode rendering path appears to work (more or less). I still need to do some fine tuning, though. Should be ready for release tomorrow...