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Well, I'm holding up my guide update because I want to update madVR together, so I was curious when I could expect him to appear or something along those lines.
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There are 3 options under smooth motion, what is the best one to pick? -edit- Nevermind, read the rest of you guide, I changed a few more options too Last edited by Devrim; 5th April 2013 at 12:37. |
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madshi, do you know why colours aren't in the same place in EVR and MadVR? Is it to do with the fact that chroma subsampling isn't strictly defined in terms of position?
In the example below you can see the coloured text is shifted by a pixel to the left in MadVR compared to EVR. I have no idea which is correct, if there is a "correct". MadVR EVR
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MPEG1: MPEG2: As you can see from these images, using the wrong position for upsampling can shift the chroma by half a pixel, which results in chroma bleeding over edges. If in doubt, its usually safe to assume that madVR does it correctly, doubtful that EVR would even be able to distinguish between the two.
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The text doesn't move.
I chose that section initially because it was text (easy to see aliasing) and I had leeway when pressing Print Screen (MediaPortal doesn't do frame stepping).
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But fine, for the purposes of this comparison I've updated the MadVR image (CTRL+F5 to see it). Oh look, the same thing is visible.
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The only thing that really changed was the removal of Linear Light from downscaling in High, since it's really demanding indeed. I'm also using "blending" to make it more easy to understand but I still need to make a version with all the details included in the image. Just don't have the right tools to do it right now in the way I would like to.
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I'm more of a fan of chroma with no AR. I keep going back to the Mid option (chroma: Bicubic75, upscaling: Lanczos3 AR) even though my system is fast enough to run the best settings (Jinc 3 AR). Also don't run FRC since I want as pure of a signal as possible. (hence no AR on chroma, which is perfect for Blu-ray, and AR on upscaling for non 1080p content).
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I watch anime mostly (like 99% of everything that I watch offline and 95% of what I watch in general), where the difference between frames is often huge even if its not a scene change. And I find smooth motion to look very ugly. I can easily see where it occurs. However without it I can't tell the difference, can't tell that something wrong even if some frames get dropped due to video/display framerate mismatch or whatever. Maybe I set up something wrong or something, but as I said for me everything looks fine even without this option, so I don't want to invest a time to check this. I just want you to check whatever this option really that useful before recommending it to someone, especially if its many people. Just because this option is there and some people in this thread use it, it doesn't means that it should be used by everyone. Last edited by Keiyakusha; 6th April 2013 at 00:06. |
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I agree, smooth motion isn't something that should be directly tied to a quality level table, its quite separate from that (and doesn't eat all that much performance to matter), and more importantly, some people don't even see the 3:2 judder (like most people who have seen this most of their life on NTSC TVs), but maybe would see the extra blur and artifacts it adds.
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I also agree, smooth motion is not for everyone. I must admit I have never tried smooth motion as I use a 120 Hz display or a 24/60 Hz TV with Reclock so I cannot comment on it.
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Some have reported they like it, I would assume instead of non-AR Bicubic 75 or Lanczos 3. Last edited by Asmodian; 6th April 2013 at 01:07. |
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