Haali Renderer - Page 5

Egh · 26th March 2006, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by breez

(VMR7 seems to be the fallback renderer of choice in MPC).

i think it's more old preVMR renderer even.

futurex · 27th March 2006, 01:47

its definitely using haali renderer

i checked the "pin info" with haali, it says input is YUY2, then i checked dscaler's "pin info" and it says YV12 for "video out"

does that mean its not working correctly/efficiently? what should it be?

btw im using dscaler 5.0.0.8, elecard demuxer and ffdshow raw video (i havent set ffdshow to do any processing, it just passing the video through). im using a dvb mpeg2 stream

flanger216 · 3rd April 2006, 23:00

Been playing around with this some more, and I've noticed I get little micro-tears in the video, similar to what VMR9 looks like when v-sync isn't working properly. For what it's worth, v-sync is forced-on in the drivers on my Radeon x1300.

breez · 3rd April 2006, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by futurex

its definitely using haali renderer

i checked the "pin info" with haali, it says input is YUY2, then i checked dscaler's "pin info" and it says YV12 for "video out"

does that mean its not working correctly/efficiently? what should it be?

btw im using dscaler 5.0.0.8, elecard demuxer and ffdshow raw video (i havent set ffdshow to do any processing, it just passing the video through). im using a dvb mpeg2 stream

Ffdshow is doing the YV12 to YUY2 conversion for you, but it doesn't explain why there is no slowdown at beginning with dscaler...

KoD · 4th April 2006, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by flanger216

Been playing around with this some more, and I've noticed I get little micro-tears in the video, similar to what VMR9 looks like when v-sync isn't working properly. For what it's worth, v-sync is forced-on in the drivers on my Radeon x1300.

That's the tearing I was speaking about. I hope the next release will have it fixed.

KoD · 5th April 2006, 22:49

Another issue: when playing something, if I pause the file the video still goes on for a little. Then I do a skip back for 5 seconds in MPC using the keyboard, I unpause playback but now the video is no longer synched to the audio. If I pause it again, skip back and unpause, video and audio are synched again.

futurex · 6th April 2006, 05:37

check your cpu load when playing the file. i find it does that on hi def video, certainly not limited to haali's renderer

flanger216 · 21st April 2006, 08:50

Any plans on adding in some pixel-shader - based deinterlacing? That would be, well, sweet.

Egh · 22nd April 2006, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by flanger216

Any plans on adding in some pixel-shader - based deinterlacing? That would be, well, sweet.

In theory can be done, to my knowledge. I wonder if haali himself wishes to do that, though.

flanger216 · 22nd April 2006, 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egh

In theory can be done, to my knowledge. I wonder if haali himself wishes to do that, though.

Yeah, I just assumed it could be done in a way similar to MPC's pixel-shader deinterlacer. Even a simple blend capability would be useful, IMO.

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 16:00

The new version (7/05/2006) unfortunately still freezes my system for about 15 seconds each time I start playback. Is there anything I can do about that?

My specs: WinXP, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, AthlonXP 2800+

celtic_druid · 8th May 2006, 16:33

Working ok here now.
Win2k SP4, ATI X1600 XT*1, X2 4200+

1-2sec delay.

My previous system I also had an excessive delay. Same video card as you to.

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtic_druid

Working ok here now.
Win2k SP4, ATI X1600 XT*1, X2 4200+

1-2sec delay.

My previous system I also had an excessive delay. Same video card as you to.

So it seems to be an incompatibility between Haali Renderer and Radeon 9800 Pro...
Problem is, that it's not only a delay. It freezes the whole system.
For example if I have web-radio playing in background and start some video in MPC with Haali Renderer enabled, the radio will also freeze.

Too sad, because Haali Renderer gives good results...

celtic_druid · 8th May 2006, 16:56

Don't think it frooze the system here. I could probably put together another PC with the 9800pro in it.

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtic_druid

Don't think it frooze the system here. I could probably put together another PC with the 9800pro in it.

Maybe I should say that I use WinXP with SP-2, DirectX 9.0 (April 2006 release) and latest Omega Drivers.

EDIT: Updated to official Catalyst 6.4. No change...

Haali · 8th May 2006, 21:03

Could it be an incompatibility with some version of ati video drivers? Haali Renderer allocates all available VRAM at start of playback if you don't limit it in the options, so it could cause some strange effects.

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haali

Could it be an incompatibility with some version of ati video drivers? Haali Renderer allocates all available VRAM at start of playback if you don't limit it in the options, so it could cause some strange effects.

I already have lastest official ATI drivers (Catalyst 6.4)
And I also tried latest Omega Drivers (based on Catalyst 6.3)
Problem unchanged with both!

I also limited VRAM to 16MB in the Haali Renderer settings (altough the 128MB of my Radeon 9800 Pro should be enough, eh?), but still no change.

So any suggestions, what can I do ???

Haali · 8th May 2006, 21:31

I have no other ideas so far. I understand this happens only on ati 9800 cards, right?

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haali

I have no other ideas so far. I understand this happens only on ati 9800 cards, right?

Well, it happens to me and I have only my ATI 9800 Pro.

If it happends on other 9800 Pro's this card might be the problem.
But I think it's also possible, that my specific PC is the problem.

No idea so far. Are other 9800 Pro user's here?

Palikrovol · 8th May 2006, 22:00

I have a AIW 9800SE with latest Omega drivers (6.3) and i think it's ok.
It gets 8 seconds to play the movie, but is played after all.

CPU increases very much when resize to full screen.

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futurex Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 155	its definitely using haali renderer i checked the "pin info" with haali, it says input is YUY2, then i checked dscaler's "pin info" and it says YV12 for "video out" does that mean its not working correctly/efficiently? what should it be? btw im using dscaler 5.0.0.8, elecard demuxer and ffdshow raw video (i havent set ffdshow to do any processing, it just passing the video through). im using a dvb mpeg2 stream Last edited by futurex; 27th March 2006 at 01:50.

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KoD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 567	Another issue: when playing something, if I pause the file the video still goes on for a little. Then I do a skip back for 5 seconds in MPC using the keyboard, I unpause playback but now the video is no longer synched to the audio. If I pause it again, skip back and unpause, video and audio are synched again. Last edited by KoD; 5th April 2006 at 22:51.

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LoRd_MuldeR Software Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Last House on Slunk Street Posts: 13,248	The new version (7/05/2006) unfortunately still freezes my system for about 15 seconds each time I start playback. Is there anything I can do about that? My specs: WinXP, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, AthlonXP 2800+ __________________ Go to https://standforukraine.com/ to find legitimate Ukrainian Charities 🇺🇦✊

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3rd April 2006, 23:00	#83 \| Link
flanger216 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 140	Been playing around with this some more, and I've noticed I get little micro-tears in the video, similar to what VMR9 looks like when v-sync isn't working properly. For what it's worth, v-sync is forced-on in the drivers on my Radeon x1300.

6th April 2006, 05:37	#87 \| Link
futurex Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 155	check your cpu load when playing the file. i find it does that on hi def video, certainly not limited to haali's renderer

21st April 2006, 08:50	#88 \| Link
flanger216 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 140	Any plans on adding in some pixel-shader - based deinterlacing? That would be, well, sweet.

8th May 2006, 16:33	#92 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	Working ok here now. Win2k SP4, ATI X1600 XT*1, X2 4200+ 1-2sec delay. My previous system I also had an excessive delay. Same video card as you to.

8th May 2006, 16:56	#94 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	Don't think it frooze the system here. I could probably put together another PC with the 9800pro in it.

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Haali Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282	Could it be an incompatibility with some version of ati video drivers? Haali Renderer allocates all available VRAM at start of playback if you don't limit it in the options, so it could cause some strange effects.

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Haali Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282	I have no other ideas so far. I understand this happens only on ati 9800 cards, right?

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Palikrovol Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Spain (Madrid) Posts: 155	I have a AIW 9800SE with latest Omega drivers (6.3) and i think it's ok. It gets 8 seconds to play the movie, but is played after all. CPU increases very much when resize to full screen.