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Old 27th March 2014, 17:51   #41  |  Link
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thanx hubblec4 :-)
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Old 27th March 2014, 19:10   #42  |  Link
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thanx hubblec4 :-)
it would be nice if you could use a few tests with the new multi-edition editor make.
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Old 28th March 2014, 07:59   #43  |  Link
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I will, as soon as I have some time this coming week. I'm having trouble fully understanding your post #40, but I'll get into it and let you know.

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I will, as soon as I have some time this coming week. I'm having trouble fully understanding your post #40, but I'll get into it and let you know.

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sorry for my bad english, google translater helps me.(but it is not perfect)

I'll try to answer your questions as best as possible.
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Old 28th March 2014, 18:46   #45  |  Link
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here a short video how the new editor works.

chapterEditor-Multi-Editions-Editor-BD2mkv-full.mkv
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Old 29th March 2014, 08:04   #46  |  Link
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sorry for my bad english,
Can you send me a pm in german maybe? It's been a while but I think I'll manage.

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Old 29th March 2014, 10:48   #47  |  Link
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here is the german post of this update


and in my signature you find the whole german threat.

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Old 29th March 2014, 21:39   #48  |  Link
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Thanks, I go read
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Old 30th March 2014, 14:44   #49  |  Link
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Hi hubblec4

Having watched your video and german post, I gave it a go with the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 30th Anniversary Ultimate Edition" blu-ray disk. This disc has 3 versions:

1977 theatrical version 02:14:44
1981 special edition 02:12:29
1998 directors cut 02:17:14

I managed to output the desired multi-mkv (had to re-invent the wheel and figure out what the hell to do with the mmg file as I never used this before :-) )

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Playback in VLC:

In a quick play & walkthrough I encountered some issues:

In --> Playback --> Title, the 1981 special edition's duration is listed as 2:02:49, instead of the original 2:12:29. I have not checked what parts are missing - if any.
Also when choosing another title, the "dot" in the title list stays before the 1977 theatrical version, which I added as first in your multi editor.
Both the 1981 special edition and the 1998 directors cut show frozen video for about a second at same point in a same scene (not the same time). This scene is also used in the 1977 theatrical version, but video (and audio) runs smooth at that same point.

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Playback in Dune HD Smart D1 mediaplayer:

During playback I found no possible way to navigate to a desired version.
Info window shows duration of 02:50:29.
Chapterlist shows chapters 1 through 19, then 3, 5, 6, 8, 8.
The same 1981 and 1998 editions "video hickup" occur, not in the 1977 version. Thus, exactly as experienced above in VLC.

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Because HdBR StreamExtractor (frontend for eac3to) logged "audio overlaps", which can cause problems (especially with TrueHD) I ran both 1981 and 1998 versions directly through mmg (direct import of mpls file from BD) to see what happened. Both mkv's with TrueHD or DTS-MA play without problem, so I doubt if the "video hickup" is due to a faulty mmg/mkvmerge itself.

As for my Dune player, I think it's a matter of manufacturer not having the proper firmware for this sort of mkv's (yet?).

I'll show you MediaInfo's log on the file (sorry I don't know how to put this in a scrollable text=box I sometimes see here):

General
Unique ID : 177988508256084919715664878399689018263 (0x85E756FBDE8BF28EA4BF24D848F74B97)
Complete name : E:\TEST\ChapterEditor multi edition editor\Close Encounters multi edition DTS MA\ouput mmg\multi mkv dtsma.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 31.8 GiB
Duration : 2h 50mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 26.7 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2014-03-30 10:18:58
Writing application : mkvmerge v6.8.0 ('Theme for Great Cities') 32bit built on Mar 2 2014 21:27:07
Writing library : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.1
TITLE : directors cut 1998

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2h 50mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Title : video
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 50mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : dtsma
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Title : eng sub defaultflag yes
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Title : dutch subs
Language : Dutch
Default : No
Forced : No
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Old 30th March 2014, 19:43   #50  |  Link
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ok, i will update the first contribution.
MKVMergeGUI is an required software to use the mmg file.

I guess your Dune player isnt able to handle such multi mkv files.
and maybe you not have the right Splitter installed.
at the moment, the best splitter is LAV Filter in combination with MPC-HC.

can you upload the three generated files (tags.xml;chapters.xml;mmg),
and the 3 mpls files please?

thanks for the feedback.
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Old 31st March 2014, 09:04   #51  |  Link
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Will LAV filter not interfere with Haali splitter? I think several tools on my pc use Haali.

Here are the requested files:
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Old 31st March 2014, 10:05   #52  |  Link
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Will LAV filter not interfere with Haali splitter? I think several tools on my pc use Haali.
with MPC-HC you can use LAV Filter as internal filters. no seperate installation required.

Haali Splitter works with ordered chapters too.
but I do not know if VLC can load external filters.
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Old 31st March 2014, 20:28   #53  |  Link
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with MPC-HC you can use LAV Filter as internal filters...
Ok got it. Had to figure out how to go to another version, but it works. Strange though one must go through "Filters". Changing versions via "Navigate" would seem more logical.

During playback in MPC-HC also hickups at the same scene/time-points, but the artifact is different now. Seems as if a couple of tenths of a second is skipped. Again, the hickup doesn't occur in the 1977 theatrical version.
FYI also MPC-HC reports the 1981 special edition's duration as 02:02:49.

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Ok got it. Had to figure out how to go to another version, but it works. Strange though one must go through "Filters". Changing versions via "Navigate" would seem more logical.
the navigation in a mkv-file is diffrent to the dvd-navigation.
you can set in LAV filters the TrayIcon for the filter. with a right click on it, you can navigate through all streams, chapters and editions.

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During playback in MPC-HC also hickups at the same scene/time-points, but the artifact is different now. Seems as if a couple of tenths of a second is skipped. Again, the hickup doesn't occur in the 1977 theatrical version.
FYI also MPC-HC reports the 1981 special edition's duration as 02:02:49.
ok, sounds like a bug.
i cant download the attchments yet to check it.
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I found one small bug, but i think it will not the solution for the whole problem.

mostly the last chapter is too short to use, but in this case not. all 3 editions have 20 chapters but the last chapter is ignored by default.
so i have implement a "check" for the last chapter duration.
if the chapter duration less then 2 seconds then will the chapter ignored.

I have made a new "test version" of chapterEditor where you can create eac3to log files.
this log-files could i use to test the Bluray (without having the Bluray).




you will find in the output folder a "title.txt" and a "tracks.txt".
can you upload this two files please?


The first edition in the chapters.xml looks good, all chapter times are strung together.

Thank you for testing it helps me a lot!

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Thank you for testing
You're welcome.

I guess I made a thinking error. Because the same scene, where the hickup occurs, is used in all 3 versions I assumed that they would be the same source. However, in BDInfo, I took a closer look at the order of which .m2ts files are played for each playlist.
In the 2 "faulty" versions, the hickup occurs in the last moments of 00015.m2ts, before going on to 00016.m2ts.
In the 1977 version there is no hickup. Only the same footage is in another m2ts file; 00014.m2ts. At the end, - as said - no hickup and according to the playlist it continues also with 00016.m2ts.
Now, I imported and ran both 2 "hickup" versions directly (as playlist and separately) in mmg earlier. There were no problems with the mkv's playback. I hope this may help you further.

I did 2 tests with your newer version. One with DTS-MA and one with TrueHD (I still think there's something jiffy because of the mentioned HdBr SE log about audio overlaps).
Playback in MPC-HC shows exactly the same hickup in the same versions. Also the 1981 special edition's duration still shows 02:02:49.

Here's your requested files for both DTS-MA and TrueHD in their respective folders.
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Old 3rd April 2014, 00:03   #57  |  Link
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rev0.15 is ready.

the duration of all editions should be correct now. it was a small issue, the last m2ts file was sometimes ignored.
LAV filter shows the duration only a second difference to MPC-HC. will certainly be just a rounding error. the 1977 edition plays 2:14:44.681

the muxing process of mmg is sure correct.
tests with the BD T2 were successfully. eac3to also find audio overlaps but the video and sounds plays fine in ever edition.

perhaps mmg muxing incorrect in your case. There is a new button "BD demux". all tracks will be demuxed and then you can add this tracks manually to mmg and load the tags and chapters XML.

or your MPC-HC settings are not the best. i use madVR as video renderer. its only for 32bit MPC-HC. mabye it helps you.

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Thanks, I'll go check out new version.

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...I ran both 1981 and 1998 versions directly through mmg (direct import of mpls file from BD) to see what happened. Both mkv's with TrueHD or DTS-MA play without problem, so I doubt if the "video hickup" is due to a faulty mmg/mkvmerge itself.
As importing just one "hickup" version results in a mkv without the hickup, mmg would only mux multi-version incorrectly then in this case.
Mmmh, don't know what to think here. Have to try some things out.

for all your work.
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Old 3rd April 2014, 10:43   #59  |  Link
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i cant rebuild the BD without the m2ts files. the mpls and the eac3to logs is not enough :-)

i used this files and found the issues. but a whole muxing of the BD is not possible.
with the BD demux button you get the right streams. eac3to will apply audio overlaps correction.

or you try to convert a audio track to FLAC. i always convert DTS-MA and TrueHD to FLAC.
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i used this files and found the issues. but a whole muxing of the BD is not possible.
Is it possible you can explain why, in plain english (or german PM) for a noob like me?

Edit: would it help you to provide you with HdBR SE log maybe?
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