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Old 17th December 2004, 09:22   #61  |  Link
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PgcDemux does support multiangle. VobBlanker doesn't.

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I saw a working guide here about using pgcdemux and vobblanker to replace the LPCM audio stream with mp2 stream...and that thread is deleted...
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Old 17th December 2004, 09:25   #62  |  Link
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jsoto,
What's the difficulty in processing multiangle cells? I'm asking out of curiosity, I'm trying to understand how all this work...
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Old 17th December 2004, 09:32   #63  |  Link
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Extracting the cell / Demuxing its streams is easy, nothing special, just take care with the angle.

But muxing/stripping or replacing is not so easy. You have to:
- ILV the cell with the other angles (VOBU by VOBU)
- Adjust all multiangle pointers inside the VOB.
- Manage the appropiate bits in PGC chain (this is the easy part, I think)

In any case, may be I can support blanking or replacing (deleting the multiangle) in VobBlanker in a future. This seems feasible to me.

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Old 17th December 2004, 18:09   #64  |  Link
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Is this the same as keeping only one angle out of several. This would be great, ifoedit and dvddecryter do not seam to be correcting all the pionter after keeping only one angle. DVDremake maybe doing it right but that maybe the only thing it can do that VOBblanker in combo with pgcedit cannot do? I still have to learn how to use pgcedit.

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In any case, may be I can support blanking or replacing (deleting the multiangle) in VobBlanker in a future. This seems feasible to me.

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Old 18th December 2004, 05:16   #65  |  Link
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Does vobblanker still have the problem with cutting the start and end of a cell?

i guess a work around would be to cut it with dvdshrink then replace it back. that's if there's only one cell in the chapter.
OR you can extract the cell, create ifo's for it, cut with dvdshrink then replace.
i think this should work (i'm not at home right now to test this)

everytime multiangle comes up for some reason or another the same cell cutting pops back in my head.
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Old 18th December 2004, 16:09   #66  |  Link
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Does vobblanker still have the problem with cutting the start and end of a cell?
Sorry, not sure. May be the discontinuity bits (there are two bits involved) may solve the most of the situations. I need to check this

But I'm sure the problem will be the same if replacing the cell with a dvdshrink created one. I believe what dvdshrink/IFOedit does in cutting is also done by VobBlanker. In fact, dvdshrink does not allow you to cut a part of a cell in the middle (keeping the beginning and the end of it), which is the unsolved problem in VobBlanker.

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@sweetness

Because of the problem jsoto mentions, I use Shrink exclusively now to cut. Interestly, it sets flags as 2, 8, 8, ..... and ends with a 2.

You may like to consider this (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgced...hored_dvds.htm), which IMHO, is a foolproof way of putting a menu back into reauthored shrinked disk.

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Because of the problem jsoto mentions, I use Shrink exclusively now to cut. Interestly, it sets flags as 2, 8, 8, ..... and ends with a 2.
Currently VobBlanker is seting SCR discontinuity bit in the proper way, but not the "seamless" one. It will be fixed in next version (soon)

But, do not forget shrink does not adjust the PTSs neither SCR, so it should have the same issues than VobBlanker, because both are doing (more or less) the same.

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Yep, me too! :-) Especially due to the bugs in the "Process in input folder" function... When this function works as intended, I feel like the program is close to 100 % for the blanking part of DVD editing.
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VobBlanker 1.6.0.3 is out

Here it is.

Vers 1.6.0.3 (19-12-2004)
Added: Multiple selection in VTS list
Added: Menu options to Blank all and blank auto (all except the longest PGC)
Added: Deletion of 0 bytes Menus (originals or produced)
Added: Cell type marked as seamless and non STC discontinuity (cell type=8) when replacing PGCs in all cells, except the first one.
Merged: DVDPreview code is now fully aligned with PgcEdit.
Change: Calculate num VOBIDs only once per VTS. (not a bug, but a waste of time) (*)
Change: Load/Save project optimization in the case of VTS SKIP.
BugFix: Replaced/Blanked Cell and the following one is now marked as system clock discontinuity and non-seamless (type=2).
BugFix: Now marks as system clock discontinuity the appropiate cells when cutting PGCs and non-seamless (type=2).
Added: Working in input folder: Warning if VobBlanker_backup already exists, and delete all previous video files if exists
Added: Working in input folder: IFOs of Skipped VTSs are also backed'up.
Change: Working in input folder: Final DVD size adds size of skipped VTSs
BugFix: Working in input folder: Don't try to move menus if they don't exist.
BugFix: Working in Input Folder: Sectors adjustment-> Added an adjustment step in any case.
BugFix: Working in Input Folder: Skipping VIDEO_TS (Menu) did not work.

Enjoy...

(*) Now, VobBlanker loads Gardfield in 14 seconds..
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Old 19th December 2004, 18:55   #72  |  Link
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Ahh, thanks jsoto I just tested the "Process in Input Folder" option with a disc that caused version 1.6.0.2 to fail - and it works now.

As this option is intended for processing a smaller part of the disc only and skipping the rest, could you add some feature where the program marks the untouched material as "skip" by default? (only when using this option) As it is now, I have to go through everything manually to skip all material I'm not blanking.

It would also be nice to be able to save the checkbox settings (in an .ini file) so that the program starts up with whatever settings you usually use.

Also, could you enable previewing on cell level (in the cell window)? Like in PgcEdit.

Finally, it would be nice if the content/structure of the disc was displayed like it is in PgcEdit with all the VTS menus and titles on one list. I know that you already said that it's not gonna happen, but I can't help mentioning it again!! It would make it easier to overview the disc, to find out where the stuff you wanna process is located, and to keep track of what you marked for processing. As it is now, you can't see in the main window with the VTST list if material in the VTSM is marked for blanking or not.

These are really just small details in the big picture. Overall, the program is simply great! Thanks for your effort and thanks for sharing it. KUTGW!
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Thanks jsoto for more great work.

One silly qn. Why have you stopped bundling preview.exe with your package?

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..As this option is intended for processing a smaller part of the disc only and skipping the rest, could you add some feature where the program marks the untouched material as "skip" by default? (only when using this option) As it is now, I have to go through everything manually to skip all material I'm not blanking.
Skip is a full VTS operation. You have a "Skip all" button as well as multiple selection. I believe it is enough... Well, may be I can change the default to SKIP if you load the IFO with the option checked.
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I'm thinking in store them in the registry
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Also, could you enable previewing on cell level (in the cell window)? Like in PgcEdit.
May be...

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Finally, it would be nice if the content/structure of the disc was displayed like it is in PgcEdit with all the VTS menus and titles on one list. I know that you already said that it's not gonna happen, but I can't help mentioning it again!! It would make it easier to overview the disc, to find out where the stuff you wanna process is located, and to keep track of what you marked for processing. As it is now, you can't see in the main window with the VTST list if material in the VTSM is marked for blanking or not.
Too much effort to do.

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One silly qn. Why have you stopped bundling preview.exe with your package?
Opps. I didn't explain it... It is now included in the exe, you don't need an external application anymore.... and give the most of the credit to jeanl.

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Old 20th December 2004, 18:45   #75  |  Link
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jsoto,

Read somewhere in the tread that vobblanker automatically removes unreferenced material. DVDrebuiler always chokes in the rebuilding phase when trying to process a VTS that had its unreferenced material removed by vobblanker. Requesting that unreferenced material be automatically blanked (not remove) to prevent DVDrebuilder from choking. Hope this is possible?
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What you ask is possible (not easy) but I cannot believe what are you saying. Unreferenced material removed by VobBlanker is unreferenced in the PGC tables of the IFO. VobBlanker also removes it from ADMAP and ADT tables (if it is there), so the final IFOs have no reference at all to this material, and DVD-RB cannot complain about it. I have many success reports of people using VobBlanker+DVD-RB (or VobBlanker+dvdshrink)

I've to confess I cannot follow DVD-RB forum (it is very active) but I usually do a search trying to find potential VobBlanker issues. What I see is some hard DVD-RB testers recomending VobBanker as a preprocess step to DVD-RB...

Please note the unreferenced material deleted by VobBlanker is completely unreferenced, so you cannot access it. There are some DVDs with other kind of unreferenced material: Cells included in PGCs not easy to play (usually you need to apply some hidden tricks to access to). This material is not deleted by VobBlanker.

However, I do believe that a bug could be somewhere in VobBlanker, producing DVD-RB to fail.

So, could you give me an example? (IFOs before and after will help)

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I have used VobBlanker for preprocessing the disc before encoding with DVD-RB for some time now. I have done around 15-20 discs this way and have never experienced any problems. It's my experience that DVD-RB eats the VobBlanker output raw

The only error I've got using DVD-RB was a time when I tried to encode a disc which I had authored using the DVD author function in DVDShrink adding multiple titles to the disc.
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The DVD’s that I have been having problems with are the Seinfeld series DVDs. They all seem to have unreferenced material and when DVDrebuilder tries to process (during rebuild phase) it chokes on a VTS that the unreferenced material was removed. The first three disks I tried to process after using VOBblanker, DVDrebuilder choke so I just processed the DVD with DVDrebuilder without preprocessing and all went well. I have preprocessed many DVDs with VOBblanker and have very few problems sending through DVDrebuilder.

On the 4th Seinfeld DVD DVDrebuilder choked again when it was on VTS 7 ,tried it twice; there was an unreferenced material which was removed by VOBblanker. The third time I processed this DVD with VOBblanker and skipped VTS 7 them copied the original VTS 7 to the process DVD folder and did a get VTS with ifoedit. DVDrebuilder did ok until it reached VTS 12 and it choked, unreferenced material was removed from here.

The forth time I preprocessed this DVD with VOBblanker; I skipped VTS 7, 12 and 13. These three VTS all have unreferenced material. I then moved the original VTS 7, 12, and 13 to the processed DVD folder did a get VTS with ifoedit and ran it through DVDrebuilder and all when well.

Based on the above I am assuming that removing the unreferenced material from the vts is what was making DVDrebuilder choke. Could be wrong thought? Well try to send you the before and after VOBblanker processed ifos.

I forgot that after processing DVD with VOBblanker I always use DVDshink to shrink menus and remove non English audios. Could this be the cause of the problem? Will also send you the ifos processed with DVDshrink.

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I forgot that after processing DVD with VOBblanker I always use DVDshink to shrink menus and remove non English audios. Could this be the cause of the problem?
I don't believe it, but if shrink was able to open VobBlanker output, that means the DVD structure and ADT/ADMAP tables are pretty good. Shrink complains if a pointer is not ok...

I'll do my best trying to find the problem, but seems not easy...

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jsoto,

I will do another test using VOBblanker to preprocess the 4th Seinfeld disk including vts 7, 12, and 13 (vts with unreferenced material) and then process through (without also preprocess with DVDshrink to shrink menu and removing audios) DVDrebuilder. I will report results tomorrow.
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