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Old 9th April 2018, 11:15   #1  |  Link
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list of timecodes conversion

Hi all, sorry if I am posting in the wrong section
but I guess most of you would know.

I have a list of timecodes which I want to change from one framerate to another.
I use a timecode calculator for now but I was wondering if there is another easier/faster way?
Any utils that can automate this procedure?

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Old 9th April 2018, 13:21   #2  |  Link
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Is there any reason to manually change the speed of timecode files? Why not just set fps/factors in your muxing application?


As this is in the "(HD) DVD & Blu-ray authoring" section you should note that such shenanigans will likely break Blu-Ray compliance.
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I need it to convert the chapter breaks from 24fps (usually my source and use for BD) to 25fps to use on the DVD.
I have been doing this one by one using a TC calculator but it's getting really time consuming.

Any ideas? Thanks!
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Old 9th April 2018, 15:23   #4  |  Link
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There are converters but since you didn't post your timecode file I don't know whether your format is supported.

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=169984
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Old 9th April 2018, 17:02   #5  |  Link
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hi,

I can have the following:
CSV:
01,01_Feature,01:00:00:00
02,02_Feature,01:09:31:06
...

TSV:
Timecode Format 24 NonDrop
Chapter Number Timecode Chapter Label Mark Type
01 01:00:00:00 01_Chap01 1
02 01:09:31:06 02_Chap02 1
...

CCE CSV:
"01,00,00,00,01_Chap01"
"01,09,08,10,02_Chap02"
...

and csv from Premiere.

Any idea???
Thanks!
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Old 13th April 2018, 09:51   #6  |  Link
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Sent you a PM with something to try if you are still dealing with this...
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Old 14th April 2018, 16:22   #7  |  Link
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hi,

I can have the following:
CSV:
01,01_Feature,01:00:00:00
02,02_Feature,01:09:31:06
...

TSV:
Timecode Format 24 NonDrop
Chapter Number Timecode Chapter Label Mark Type
01 01:00:00:00 01_Chap01 1
02 01:09:31:06 02_Chap02 1
...

CCE CSV:
"01,00,00,00,01_Chap01"
"01,09,08,10,02_Chap02"
...

and csv from Premiere.

Any idea???
Thanks!
If you can share some sample files, I can implement support in chapterEditor.
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Old 16th April 2018, 15:09   #8  |  Link
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Hi, that would be really awesome!

All I need to be honest is a list with a bunch of timecodes at a specific framerate to be able to convert to another.
i.e. the list below is at 24fps:
01:00:00:00
01:09:31:06
01:18:45:22
01:31:05:23
01:40:09:15
01:51:55:04
02:07:18:06
02:20:04:17
02:28:44:05
02:37:37:20
02:49:12:09
02:59:30:08

and want them converted to 25, or vice versa or another fps.
It's really simple. No specific format needed.

If you want to push it a bit more,
the formats I use are for Scenarist SD(CSV), for Scenarist BD (TSV) and for CCE (CSV).

The Scenarist SD (at 25fps) CSV format is as follows:
01,01_movie,01:00:00;00
02,02_movie,01:09:08;10
03,03_movie,01:18:00;22
04,04_movie,01:29:51;08
05,05_movie,01:38:33;06
06,06_movie,01:49:50;14
07,07_movie,02:04:36;18
08,08_movie,02:16:52;13
09,09_movie,02:25:11;06
10,10_movie,02:33:43;13
11,11_movie,02:44:50;07
12,12_movie,02:54:43;13


The Scenarist BD (24fps) TSV format is as follows:

Timecode Format 24 NonDrop
Chapter Number Timecode Chapter Label Mark Type
01 01:00:00:00 01_Chap01 1
02 01:09:31:06 02_Chap02 1
03 01:18:45:22 03_Chap03 1
04 01:31:05:23 04_Chap04 1
05 01:40:09:15 05_Chap05 1
06 01:51:55:04 06_Chap06 1
07 02:07:18:06 07_Chap07 1
08 02:20:04:17 08_Chap08 1
09 02:28:44:05 09_Chap09 1
10 02:37:37:20 10_Chap10 1
11 02:49:12:09 11_Chap11 1
12 02:59:30:08 12_Chap12 1


and the CCE (25fps) CSV format is as follows:

01,00,00,00,01_Chap01
01,09,08,10,02_Chap02
01,18,00,22,03_Chap03
01,29,51,08,04_Chap04
01,38,33,06,05_Chap05
01,49,50,14,06_Chap06
02,04,36,18,07_Chap07
02,16,52,13,08_Chap08
02,25,11,06,09_Chap09
02,33,43,13,10_Chap10
02,44,50,07,11_Chap11
02,54,43,13,12_Chap12


If you can make chapterEditor to accept a list of timecodes, convert them to another fps and then export to one of the above formats, then just tell me where I donate!

Thanks!
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Old 16th April 2018, 23:37   #9  |  Link
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Hi, that would be really awesome!

All I need to be honest is a list with a bunch of timecodes at a specific framerate to be able to convert to another.
i.e. the list below is at 24fps:
01:00:00:00
01:09:31:06
01:18:45:22
01:31:05:23
01:40:09:15
01:51:55:04
02:07:18:06
02:20:04:17
02:28:44:05
02:37:37:20
02:49:12:09
02:59:30:08

and want them converted to 25, or vice versa or another fps.
It's really simple. No specific format needed.
Such timecodes are supported in cE for file format "Sonic Cinevision CSV File.csv" (included in the chapter samples).
From where come this timecodes? Copy-paste from an application to a text file?


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If you want to push it a bit more,
the formats I use are for Scenarist SD(CSV), for Scenarist BD (TSV) and for CCE (CSV).

The Scenarist SD (at 25fps) CSV format is as follows:
01,01_movie,01:00:00;00
02,02_movie,01:09:08;10
03,03_movie,01:18:00;22
04,04_movie,01:29:51;08
05,05_movie,01:38:33;06
06,06_movie,01:49:50;14
07,07_movie,02:04:36;18
08,08_movie,02:16:52;13
09,09_movie,02:25:11;06
10,10_movie,02:33:43;13
11,11_movie,02:44:50;07
12,12_movie,02:54:43;13


The Scenarist BD (24fps) TSV format is as follows:

Timecode Format 24 NonDrop
Chapter Number Timecode Chapter Label Mark Type
01 01:00:00:00 01_Chap01 1
02 01:09:31:06 02_Chap02 1
03 01:18:45:22 03_Chap03 1
04 01:31:05:23 04_Chap04 1
05 01:40:09:15 05_Chap05 1
06 01:51:55:04 06_Chap06 1
07 02:07:18:06 07_Chap07 1
08 02:20:04:17 08_Chap08 1
09 02:28:44:05 09_Chap09 1
10 02:37:37:20 10_Chap10 1
11 02:49:12:09 11_Chap11 1
12 02:59:30:08 12_Chap12 1


and the CCE (25fps) CSV format is as follows:

01,00,00,00,01_Chap01
01,09,08,10,02_Chap02
01,18,00,22,03_Chap03
01,29,51,08,04_Chap04
01,38,33,06,05_Chap05
01,49,50,14,06_Chap06
02,04,36,18,07_Chap07
02,16,52,13,08_Chap08
02,25,11,06,09_Chap09
02,33,43,13,10_Chap10
02,44,50,07,11_Chap11
02,54,43,13,12_Chap12
Could you upload real files please?
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Old 17th April 2018, 15:50   #10  |  Link
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OK, here it is: https://we.tl/SAIWOEDJOu

In Premiere I have my timeline where I insert my chapter breaks as Markers.
I export that as a csv (_SOURCE_ from Premiere Timeline_24fps.csv).

Then, I create the A.Scenarist BD chapters 24fps.tsv to use in Scenarist BD.

Next, I conform each timecode of the source text (with a TC calc) to the framerate I need for the DVD and create the B.SDDVD chapters 25fps - forCCE.csv

And finally, from the file for CCE above I create the C.Scenarist SD chapters 25fps.csv

Hope it helps.
Thanks.
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The download link no longer exists....is shown to me for your link.

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OK, I fixed the link. Try again please.

Thanks.
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OK. I will check the files now.
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Hi srfscenar
Some questions about the formats.

_SOURCE_ from Premiere Timeline_24fps.csv
Code:
Marker Name	Description	In	Out	Duration	Marker Type	
CH01		01:00:00:00	01:00:00:00	00:00:00:00	Chapter
"Marker Name" is like a Chapter name?
What is Description? Is it always empty?
"Marker Type": Exists other types then "Chapter" which maybe important?

A.Scenarist BD chapters 24fps.tsv
Code:
Timecode Format	24	NonDrop	
Chapter Number	Timecode	Chapter Label	Mark Type
01	01:00:00:00	01_Chap01	1
"24" is the fps value I guess and simple values like 25 or 30 also supported, but what value is written for 24000/1001?
What for values are supported in your program?
"Mark Type ": Is the value every time 1?

B.SDDVD chapters 25fps - forCCE.csv
Code:
01,00,00,00,01_Chap01
The timecode has "," instead of ":", right?
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Hi and sorry for the delayed reply!

Quote:
"Marker Name" is like a Chapter name?
What is Description? Is it always empty?
"Marker Type": Exists other types then "Chapter" which maybe important?
Yes, Marker Name is like a chapter name. User can edit that in Premiere and enter whatever name they want.
There are other types like 'Comment' or 'Segmentation Marker' but if someone is using markers to create chapters, then the Chapter type or Comment type should be used.

Quote:
"24" is the fps value I guess and simple values like 25 or 30 also supported, but what value is written for 24000/1001?
What for values are supported in your program?
"Mark Type ": Is the value every time 1?
Honestly, no idea. sorry. The values supported in our program (Scenarist BD) are the classic ones: '23.976', '24', '25', '29,97' etc.

Quote:
The timecode has "," instead of ":", right?
Yes, that is correct. It is a ',' comma.

Thanks,
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Thanks for your info.
I'm making good progress.
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Thanks for your info.
I'm making good progress.


Cant wait to test it! Thanks a lot!


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