LAV Filters - DirectShow Media Splitter and Decoders - Page 162

SamuriHL · 18th May 2011, 14:23

Well that sucks.

nevcairiel · 18th May 2011, 15:01

If you're actually using S/PDIF (coaxial or optical), try using ReClock and setting it to encode to AC3, that way you can get 5.1 to your Receiver. S/PDIF itself only supports 2 channel PCM. For more you need HDMI.

SamuriHL · 18th May 2011, 15:06

Oh right, I was thinking there was an analog connection. DOH. Yes, Nev is 100% correct.

Andy o · 18th May 2011, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyvt

the current driver doesn't push l/r surrounds to the l/r rear surrounds when playing 5.1 on a 7.1 system

I opened a thread at AVS to continue this, pls head on there.

iSeries · 18th May 2011, 17:13

Hi,

Regarding dts-ma decoding with the arcsoft dll. With the 1.1.0.0 version, LAV audio is telling me my soundtrack is 7.1, but its actually 5.1. Where are these extra channels coming from? With the 1.1.0.8 version, if the movie gets loud I hear a lot of static (quieter parts ok). If anyone has any ideas about these 2 issues please let me know

nevcairiel · 18th May 2011, 17:15

1.1.0.0 is not fully supported yet. The next version will add support for this.

For the other issue, it may just be a bug in the decoder, as i do not process the output at all.
Once supported fully, 1.1.0.0 will most likely be the best version to use anyway.

Carpo · 18th May 2011, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevcairiel

If you're actually using S/PDIF (coaxial or optical), try using ReClock and setting it to encode to AC3, that way you can get 5.1 to your Receiver. S/PDIF itself only supports 2 channel PCM. For more you need HDMI.

Any particular things i should look at, apart from AC3 encoding? seeing as i don't require the video part of it i can just leave it alone?

Andy o · 18th May 2011, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevcairiel

Once supported fully, 1.1.0.0 will most likely be the best version to use anyway.

Why is this? BTW, from googling there seems to be a dtsdecoderdll.dll version 1.1.0.10 that came with "TMT 3.5", by which I think the poster meant TotalMedia 3.5. Apparently it doesn't work with eac3to, so I don't know if it could work with LAV.

nevcairiel · 18th May 2011, 19:04

1.1.0.0 is the version eac3to was developed against, and it reproduces all audio perfectly. 1.1.0.7/8 drop the back-center in 6.0 layouts, and molest mono audio for no good reason.
I'm not sure when they changed the decoder, so i cannot say which versions between 1.1.0.0 and 1.1.0.7 have what bugs/features.

Carpo · 18th May 2011, 19:06

so guessing TMT5 version is right out then

nevcairiel · 18th May 2011, 19:07

Its fine, you just won't have a back center in 6.0 DTS files. Luckily, thats a rather rare layout. 6.1 works fine again.

Carpo · 18th May 2011, 19:07

glad i saved it before i updated

SamuriHL · 18th May 2011, 19:17

I'm using 1.1.0.8 and not having any issues. So, unless you care about that back center channel, meh.

Gleb Egorych · 18th May 2011, 19:34

Version 1.1.0.0 came with TMT2. But TMT2 installs 2 dtsdecoderdll.dll-s, one to Common files and the other to the program folder, the first from 21.04.2008 and the second from 25.04.2008. They are 1.1.0.0 both, but binary different. nevcairiel, which particular version are you testing with? In that thread mindbomb wrote about mono and 16 bit bugs in 1.1.0.7 which were fixed in 1.1.0.8. As I understood those bugs did not exist in 1.1.0.0, right?

Markolc81 · 18th May 2011, 20:11

I'm encountering a new problem, but seemingly not with the decoder. What happens is if I use LAVsplitter to decode DTS/TrueHD/whatever instead of bitstream, whenever I'm done playing my movie and go back into windows media Center there's no sound anymore (or sounds are very distorted). When this happens I can no longer play Live TV or Netflix or Boxee because they error out. However I can go right back into MPC-HC and play another movie just fine. If I restart the computer, then all works fine again until I play another MKV with lossless audio. I do use re-clock if that makes any difference.

Now If I have LAV Audio set to Bitstream, then all works perfect and Windows sounds (including WMC, Netflix, and Boxee) all work fine before and after I play an MKV. Anyone know what could be the problem?

I'd rather LAV Audio decode the lossless audio so I can maintain the benefits of ReClock.

SamuriHL · 18th May 2011, 20:23

It's not a LAV Audio issue. It's ReClock and pretty much every other exclusive mode renderer that's causing it. It doesn't reset the audio connection when the exclusive mode lock is dropped. I personally feel that's a bug in the audio driver. (I'm guessing you're on AMD hardware?)

Markolc81 · 18th May 2011, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

It's not a LAV Audio issue. It's ReClock and pretty much every other exclusive mode renderer that's causing it. It doesn't reset the audio connection when the exclusive mode lock is dropped. I personally feel that's a bug in the audio driver. (I'm guessing you're on AMD hardware?)

Yup. AMD Radeon 6850. AMD Sempron 140 cpu also.

Markolc81 · 18th May 2011, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

It's not a LAV Audio issue. It's ReClock and pretty much every other exclusive mode renderer that's causing it. It doesn't reset the audio connection when the exclusive mode lock is dropped. I personally feel that's a bug in the audio driver. (I'm guessing you're on AMD hardware?)

However, when I play a movie that had lossless decoded to FLAC (an old BD rip of mine) then Reclock won't reproduce the same symptoms. Odd.

SamuriHL · 18th May 2011, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markolc81

However, when I play a movie that had lossless decoded to FLAC (an old BD rip of mine) then Reclock won't reproduce the same symptoms. Odd.

That is odd. One would think if ReClock is making an exclusive mode connection it wouldn't matter what the source is. It's when the exclusive mode lock is released that the trouble begins. TMT5 does the same thing when I bitstream, for example. The audio connection gets all screwed up. I generally go to the Audio CP and play the test sound or open Pandora to reset it.

Andy o · 18th May 2011, 20:37

Are you using Media Center as a GUI to call up MPC-HC? If you're not using ReClock's WASAPI exclusive mode, and aren't using a 7.1 system, you can try the Realtek HDMI driver.

Also, try disabling MC menu sounds, or setting your Windows mixer to stereo, before you try Realtek.

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,348	If you're actually using S/PDIF (coaxial or optical), try using ReClock and setting it to encode to AC3, that way you can get 5.1 to your Receiver. S/PDIF itself only supports 2 channel PCM. For more you need HDMI. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,348	1.1.0.0 is not fully supported yet. The next version will add support for this. For the other issue, it may just be a bug in the decoder, as i do not process the output at all. Once supported fully, 1.1.0.0 will most likely be the best version to use anyway. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders Last edited by nevcairiel; 18th May 2011 at 17:18.

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,348	1.1.0.0 is the version eac3to was developed against, and it reproduces all audio perfectly. 1.1.0.7/8 drop the back-center in 6.0 layouts, and molest mono audio for no good reason. I'm not sure when they changed the decoder, so i cannot say which versions between 1.1.0.0 and 1.1.0.7 have what bugs/features. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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iSeries Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 625	Hi, Regarding dts-ma decoding with the arcsoft dll. With the 1.1.0.0 version, LAV audio is telling me my soundtrack is 7.1, but its actually 5.1. Where are these extra channels coming from? With the 1.1.0.8 version, if the movie gets loud I hear a lot of static (quieter parts ok). If anyone has any ideas about these 2 issues please let me know

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Carpo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: /dev/null Posts: 1,368	so guessing TMT5 version is right out then __________________ The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI Agents

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,348	Its fine, you just won't have a back center in 6.0 DTS files. Luckily, thats a rather rare layout. 6.1 works fine again. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I'm using 1.1.0.8 and not having any issues. So, unless you care about that back center channel, meh. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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Gleb Egorych Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 231	Version 1.1.0.0 came with TMT2. But TMT2 installs 2 dtsdecoderdll.dll-s, one to Common files and the other to the program folder, the first from 21.04.2008 and the second from 25.04.2008. They are 1.1.0.0 both, but binary different. nevcairiel, which particular version are you testing with? In that thread mindbomb wrote about mono and 16 bit bugs in 1.1.0.7 which were fixed in 1.1.0.8. As I understood those bugs did not exist in 1.1.0.0, right?

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Markolc81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 14	I'm encountering a new problem, but seemingly not with the decoder. What happens is if I use LAVsplitter to decode DTS/TrueHD/whatever instead of bitstream, whenever I'm done playing my movie and go back into windows media Center there's no sound anymore (or sounds are very distorted). When this happens I can no longer play Live TV or Netflix or Boxee because they error out. However I can go right back into MPC-HC and play another movie just fine. If I restart the computer, then all works fine again until I play another MKV with lossless audio. I do use re-clock if that makes any difference. Now If I have LAV Audio set to Bitstream, then all works perfect and Windows sounds (including WMC, Netflix, and Boxee) all work fine before and after I play an MKV. Anyone know what could be the problem? I'd rather LAV Audio decode the lossless audio so I can maintain the benefits of ReClock.

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	It's not a LAV Audio issue. It's ReClock and pretty much every other exclusive mode renderer that's causing it. It doesn't reset the audio connection when the exclusive mode lock is dropped. I personally feel that's a bug in the audio driver. (I'm guessing you're on AMD hardware?) __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	Are you using Media Center as a GUI to call up MPC-HC? If you're not using ReClock's WASAPI exclusive mode, and aren't using a 7.1 system, you can try the Realtek HDMI driver. Also, try disabling MC menu sounds, or setting your Windows mixer to stereo, before you try Realtek. Last edited by Andy o; 18th May 2011 at 20:40.