ffdshow with updated vfw Theora encoder available

bond · 1st February 2005, 17:06

latest available ffdshow now includes an updated theora encoder (using alpha4) and which now offers the following encoding options:

- 2pass (using the ffmpeg 2pass algo)

- high quality: enables full motion vector search instead of the hierarchical motion vector search (logarithmic search) (if disabled it still falls back to full search if the vector returned by the hieararchical one is particularly bad.) in vp3 the disabled high quality mode is equivalent to enabled "quick compress"

- sharpness: bascially setting the tradeoff between image details/sharpness and ringing artefacts

- noise sensitivity: not sure. i think has some effect on how quanization is done?

- pixel/display aspect ratio: usable for anamorphic resize

- drop frames: whether to drop frames when target bitrate is overflown by some amount (better disable by default), good for low bitrate video communication

- direct .ogg output via the "output -> store frames to external file" option

Sirber · 1st February 2005, 18:10

Woot Woot! Gonna try

After updating ffdshow, RealAnine already supports it

CQ · 1st February 2005, 22:12

Let's try it! And... maybe i`ll use after all the Theora (instead VP3)

Edit
Still shitty results

. VDub crashes, Explorer aswell... neeah. Sticking to VP3

/Edit

DeathTheSheep · 2nd February 2005, 01:35

MSVCR71?!!! What the heck is this, and why is ffdshow asking for it? It wont work at all unless this stupid thing is somehow installed... Where do I get it?

Sirber · 2nd February 2005, 02:29

http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dl....shtml?msvcr71

Trahald · 2nd February 2005, 05:38

Quote:

Originally posted by DeathTheSheep
MSVCR71?!!! What the heck is this, and why is ffdshow asking for it? It wont work at all unless this stupid thing is somehow installed... Where do I get it?

follow sirbers link to get it.. as far as what it is, its one of two .DLLs needed for MFC applications. They can be compiled into the file but it makes the .exe bigger.

celtic_druid · 2nd February 2005, 06:57

I'm almost 100% positive that I had ffdshow install it.

CQ · 2nd February 2005, 12:27

download the 349k dll, put it in the system32 folder and then you can try theora

Elias · 2nd February 2005, 23:05

Well, this latest build works great, except for the fact that msvcr71.dll doesn't load, and this causes ff_vfw.dll not to load either... as a result of it, I can't use ffdshow in VirtualDub. And yes, I've chosen vfw to be installed during installation. I think that this is a bug in the latest ffdshow build, because a friend that I sent the latest build to works great with vfw.

Elias · 2nd February 2005, 23:06

Quote:

Originally posted by DeathTheSheep
MSVCR71?!!! What the heck is this, and why is ffdshow asking for it? It wont work at all unless this stupid thing is somehow installed... Where do I get it?

Oh, you had the same issue, eh? Didn't see that. Well well, I rest my case then. We got a clear issue

In my case, both the msvcr71.dll and ff_vfw.dll are in the ffdshow installed folder, but they don't seem to load for some reason.

celtic_druid · 3rd February 2005, 05:13

Think I'll change the installer so that it goes in the system folder, same as ff_vfw and ff_acm, that is if it isn't there already or is an older version. Guess I could also just go back to MSVC6, at least for ff_vfw and ff_acm.

dragongodz · 3rd February 2005, 05:45

or you could just build including the MSVCRT.lib and save having to worry about it. ok the exe size is increased a little bit but its not as if its huge. what an extra 200kb-300kb maybe to the exe size ?

celtic_druid · 3rd February 2005, 08:40

Well I could link against libc.lib and then set MFC to static.
That way ff_vfw is 28.5k instead of I think 5k. Guess the point is that with ffdshow you have numerous files (ffdshow.ax + all the plugins) and each would have its size increased, all adding up to probably more than just including the MS dll.

Elias · 3rd February 2005, 09:30

Why isn't there any changelog in ffdshow?

CQ · 3rd February 2005, 14:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Elias
Oh, you had the same issue, eh? Didn't see that. Well well, I rest my case then. We got a clear issue In my case, both the msvcr71.dll and ff_vfw.dll are in the ffdshow installed folder, but they don't seem to load for some reason.

Don't touch the vfw dll

Put the msvcr71.dll in the system32 folder (or system on older wins) and that's all you must do.
So: install ffdshow (if you didn't already) and then put the msvcr dll in the system folder. No more complications with compiling, building, smashing, crashing

Elias · 3rd February 2005, 16:50

Quote:

Originally posted by CQ
Don't touch the vfw dll Put the msvcr71.dll in the system32 folder (or system on older wins) and that's all you must do.
So: install ffdshow (if you didn't already) and then put the msvcr dll in the system folder. No more complications with compiling, building, smashing, crashing

Yeah, I did that and it's all working great! Thanks!

FredThompson · 4th February 2005, 11:34

dl link seems bad now. reports "permission denied" Anyone else seeing that?

buchman · 4th February 2005, 11:35

yup, same here

FredThompson · 4th February 2005, 11:46

Hmmm...would the appropriate term for Slashdotted A/V links be "doom9ed"?

Doom9 · 4th February 2005, 11:48

I was not able to download it from that location as well, but you can just download the latest ffdshow from celticdruid: http://www.aziendeassociate.it/cd.asp?dir=/ffdshow

Quote:

would the appropriate term for Slashdotted A/V links be "doom9ed"?

lol

1st February 2005, 17:06	#1 \| Link
bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	ffdshow with updated vfw Theora encoder available latest available ffdshow now includes an updated theora encoder (using alpha4) and which now offers the following encoding options: - 2pass (using the ffmpeg 2pass algo) - high quality: enables full motion vector search instead of the hierarchical motion vector search (logarithmic search) (if disabled it still falls back to full search if the vector returned by the hieararchical one is particularly bad.) in vp3 the disabled high quality mode is equivalent to enabled "quick compress" - sharpness: bascially setting the tradeoff between image details/sharpness and ringing artefacts - noise sensitivity: not sure. i think has some effect on how quanization is done? - pixel/display aspect ratio: usable for anamorphic resize - drop frames: whether to drop frames when target bitrate is overflown by some amount (better disable by default), good for low bitrate video communication - direct .ogg output via the "output -> store frames to external file" option __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free Last edited by bond; 26th February 2005 at 23:42.

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Sirber Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,732	Woot Woot! Gonna try After updating ffdshow, RealAnine already supports it __________________ download RealAnime and Bencos

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CQ MPEG1 FAN ;-) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Galaþi, România Posts: 75	Let's try it! And... maybe i`ll use after all the Theora (instead VP3) Edit Still shitty results . VDub crashes, Explorer aswell... neeah. Sticking to VP3 /Edit Last edited by CQ; 2nd February 2005 at 00:29.

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DeathTheSheep <The VFW Sheep of Death> Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Deathly pasture of VFW Posts: 1,124	MSVCR71?!!! What the heck is this, and why is ffdshow asking for it? It wont work at all unless this stupid thing is somehow installed... Where do I get it? __________________ New VfW builds. High quality AVC Guide. Check out DeathTheSheep United today!

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Sirber Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,732	http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dl....shtml?msvcr71 __________________ download RealAnime and Bencos

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celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,175	I'm almost 100% positive that I had ffdshow install it.

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CQ MPEG1 FAN ;-) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Galaþi, România Posts: 75	download the 349k dll, put it in the system32 folder and then you can try theora

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Elias MPEG-4 Crazy Lunatic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,088	Well, this latest build works great, except for the fact that msvcr71.dll doesn't load, and this causes ff_vfw.dll not to load either... as a result of it, I can't use ffdshow in VirtualDub. And yes, I've chosen vfw to be installed during installation. I think that this is a bug in the latest ffdshow build, because a friend that I sent the latest build to works great with vfw.

3rd February 2005, 05:13	#11 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,175	Think I'll change the installer so that it goes in the system folder, same as ff_vfw and ff_acm, that is if it isn't there already or is an older version. Guess I could also just go back to MSVC6, at least for ff_vfw and ff_acm.

3rd February 2005, 05:45	#12 \| Link
dragongodz .... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 2,789	or you could just build including the MSVCRT.lib and save having to worry about it. ok the exe size is increased a little bit but its not as if its huge. what an extra 200kb-300kb maybe to the exe size ? __________________ Narrator: And of course, with the birth of the artist came the inevitable afterbirth - the critic. (History of the World part 1)

3rd February 2005, 08:40	#13 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,175	Well I could link against libc.lib and then set MFC to static. That way ff_vfw is 28.5k instead of I think 5k. Guess the point is that with ffdshow you have numerous files (ffdshow.ax + all the plugins) and each would have its size increased, all adding up to probably more than just including the MS dll.

3rd February 2005, 09:30	#14 \| Link
Elias MPEG-4 Crazy Lunatic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,088	Why isn't there any changelog in ffdshow?

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FredThompson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 1,895	dl link seems bad now. reports "permission denied" Anyone else seeing that? __________________ Curator of links at http://neuron2.net (Yes, I know it's woefully out of date...) Collecting 9/11, Afghan/Iraq, Mail Call, Trains, Cooking, Woodworking, Fighting Illini

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buchman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5	yup, same here

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FredThompson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 1,895	Hmmm...would the appropriate term for Slashdotted A/V links be "doom9ed"? __________________ Curator of links at http://neuron2.net (Yes, I know it's woefully out of date...) Collecting 9/11, Afghan/Iraq, Mail Call, Trains, Cooking, Woodworking, Fighting Illini

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