CyberLink PowerEncoder (includes Moonlight MPEG-4 AVC/H.264)

MuTeK · 7th December 2004, 07:59

http://www.cli.co.jp/news/20041201pe.htm

CruNcher · 7th December 2004, 20:08

will there be a trial version to test ?

bond · 7th December 2004, 20:39

interesting, is there also a feature description? i tried it on some pages showing the full press release, but babelfish didnt manage to translate them (strange that the news release is only available in japanese

)

Soulhunter · 7th December 2004, 21:12

Well, I guess its only avaible in japan atm...

Bye

bond · 7th December 2004, 21:14

from what i could translate, there will be a download version (payware of course) at the "cyberlink online shop" starting from december 22, or so

IgorC · 7th December 2004, 22:21

http://www.moonlight.co.il/down_video_h264.php - some
new video samples

moonlight h.264 player http://www.moonlightcordless.com/dow...layer1_0_8.zip

not bad

SeeMoreDigital · 7th December 2004, 23:40

Thanks for the links IgorC,

I wonder why they like muxing Mpeg4 AVC/AAC content into the .mpeg container and not .MP4?

A definite no brainier and step backwads... if you ask me!

Cheers

bond · 7th December 2004, 23:54

currently moonlight's player (directshow based btw) only supports the .mpg container (and raw .264 streams afaik)
but as discussed in the container forum, moonlight is working on a .mp4 splitter and muxer for directshow, so it seems they might join the .mp4 train too (like ahead, envivio and sorenson for example)

skal · 8th December 2004, 11:38

howdy everybody,

A bit of warning here:

i've demuxed their sample "Tomsk_720x576_900kbit\ $v720$.mpg",
and fed the h264 stream into latest h264 reference software (jm92).
The result is:

[EDIT]
... uninteresting crap deleted ...

Nic · 8th December 2004, 11:43

@skal: How strange...
I know you must see Peter Gubanov's posts on the JVT mailing lists and he always seems quite savvy on all issues with h264. I'll try to double check it too

How's your h264 project going?

-Nic

skal · 8th December 2004, 12:10

Hi Nic

Quote:

Originally posted by Nic
@skal: How strange...
I know you must see Peter Gubanov's posts on the JVT mailing lists and he always seems quite savvy on all issues with h264. I'll try to double check it too

oops... you're right. It seems i indeed missed something in
the demuxing process. Using ffmpeg gives me a "more" correct
bitstream.

There only seem to be petty errors with unintentional loss of
pictures (gap_in_frame_number_not_allowed) at frame #30, dixit
jm92. That's affordable...

How's your h264 project going?

I've just found a chemical binary weapon! When you mix MBAff with
FR-Ext, it... explodes!

-Skal

Nic · 8th December 2004, 12:22

@skal:
Hi, even if they're petty, you could always post them on the JVT mailing list or directly to moonlight, i'm sure they'd do their best to fix them...(if they don't know about them already)

Your even onto the Frext extensions hey?

Nice work...I know you're closed source on this project, but any chance of seeing a demo encoder in the future? Or is it all going to be bought up by some firm?
(Not that i'm nosey or anything

)

Anyway, good luck with it

I hope they're aren't too many explosions along the way...

-Nic

ps
@All: sorry to be OffTopic.

krackato · 21st December 2004, 16:57

Saw this over at CDFreaks but didn't see it mentioned here.

Cyberlink PowerEncoder Mpeg-4 AVC Edition

It's $40 and I've never used any version of PowerEncoder before, but it looks like there's going to be a lot of these products out there soon. I'm looking for a demo but I can't seem to find one.

Includes Moonlight H.264 apparently

bond · 21st December 2004, 17:53

merged for keeping things together

SeeMoreDigital · 21st December 2004, 18:24

Quote:

Originally posted by bond
merged for keeping things together

And quite rightly so

Has anybody bought it/tried the "full" version yet?

Cheers

bond · 4th December 2005, 13:10

Mutek, or any other elecard dev:
does cyberlink now use elecards encoder too? or did it buy and continue using moonlights?

Sergey A. Sablin · 4th December 2005, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by bond

Mutek, or any other elecard dev:
does cyberlink now use elecards encoder too? or did it buy and continue using moonlights?

They are using Moonlight encoder.

bond · 4th December 2005, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergey A. Sablin

They are using Moonlight encoder.

thx for the info!

do you know if they bought the encoder (decoder?) from moonlight? i mean not only the rights to use it, but to own it completely

Sergey A. Sablin · 5th December 2005, 05:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by bond

thx for the info!

do you know if they bought the encoder (decoder?) from moonlight? i mean not only the rights to use it, but to own it completely

No, they are just using our old encoder.

bond · 5th December 2005, 09:46

ok thx

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IgorC Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,025	http://www.moonlight.co.il/down_video_h264.php - some new video samples moonlight h.264 player http://www.moonlightcordless.com/dow...layer1_0_8.zip not bad Last edited by IgorC; 7th December 2004 at 22:28.

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	currently moonlight's player (directshow based btw) only supports the .mpg container (and raw .264 streams afaik) but as discussed in the container forum, moonlight is working on a .mp4 splitter and muxer for directshow, so it seems they might join the .mp4 train too (like ahead, envivio and sorenson for example) __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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skal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 91	howdy everybody, A bit of warning here: i've demuxed their sample "Tomsk_720x576_900kbit\ \(v720\).mpg", and fed the h264 stream into latest h264 reference software (jm92). The result is: [EDIT] ... uninteresting crap deleted ... Last edited by skal; 8th December 2004 at 12:11.

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Nic Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: England Posts: 3,260	@skal: How strange... I know you must see Peter Gubanov's posts on the JVT mailing lists and he always seems quite savvy on all issues with h264. I'll try to double check it too How's your h264 project going? -Nic

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Nic Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: England Posts: 3,260	@skal: Hi, even if they're petty, you could always post them on the JVT mailing list or directly to moonlight, i'm sure they'd do their best to fix them...(if they don't know about them already) Your even onto the Frext extensions hey? Nice work...I know you're closed source on this project, but any chance of seeing a demo encoder in the future? Or is it all going to be bought up by some firm? (Not that i'm nosey or anything ) Anyway, good luck with it I hope they're aren't too many explosions along the way... -Nic ps @All: sorry to be OffTopic.

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krackato Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 75	Cyberlink releases PowerEncoder MPEG-4 AVC Edition Saw this over at CDFreaks but didn't see it mentioned here. Cyberlink PowerEncoder Mpeg-4 AVC Edition It's $40 and I've never used any version of PowerEncoder before, but it looks like there's going to be a lot of these products out there soon. I'm looking for a demo but I can't seem to find one. Includes Moonlight H.264 apparently

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	merged for keeping things together __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	Mutek, or any other elecard dev: does cyberlink now use elecards encoder too? or did it buy and continue using moonlights? __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	ok thx __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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