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Old 6th November 2003, 11:40   #1  |  Link
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D2SRoBa 3.3.3 - Plugin

D2SRoBa 3... It's out.

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Cool,
I downloaded and installed this new version and it starts correctly.
Unfortunately I'm not able to change the 'Num CDs' parameter.
There is a '1' displayed and there is nothing else in the selection list. Neither an 'auto' nor an '?' or any other number of CD's.
I can't also overwrite this field with a value (like the 'CD Size' field).

Any Ideas ??

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You have selected [DVD] output. D2S only allows 1 DVD output, I believe (does it make any sense with more than one?). You have the regular num CD choices when selecting SVCD output.
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tylo, I did a restart with 1 cd set as target which was a little unfair for a first beta The plugin shifted to 2 cds.


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D2SRoBa v3.0 beta 1
- Author: Tylo
- System: WIN_XP, AutoIt: 3.0.72.0
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- 2003-11-06 07:55:11
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Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : 1
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 32
- Maximum Q. : 64
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-2.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=0 (% of video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2754 kbps)
- Crash recover : Yes
--------------------------------------------------------
- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
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- Movie length : 01:44:48 (150769 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (128 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1941 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Sample frames : 1512
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Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=899 (899) audio1_br=128 video_sz=706651083. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 2 CD: video_br=1941 (1941) audio1_br=128 video_sz=1525706065. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 3 CD: video_br=2626 (2984) audio1_br=128 video_sz=2064144321. fill=88.6% cbr=1
--------------------------------------------------------
Computing target number of CDs:
- Using max bitrate=2626 for auto sample (adjusted for 1 CDs)
- Estim. mpv size : 796169209. (Q=32, 1012 kbps, err=0.0%, sample sz=7984452.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1525706065. (1941 / max 2626) kbps
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Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 1007264156. (Q=20, 1281 kbps, err=-33.9%, sample sz=10101436.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1291669134. (Q=10, 1643 kbps, err=-15.3%, sample sz=12953616.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1575701577. (Q=2, 2004 kbps, err=3.2%, sample sz=15802060.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1549973126. (Q=3, 1971 kbps, err=1.5%, sample sz=15544040.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1519202290. (Q=4, 1932 kbps, err=-0.4%, sample sz=15235452.)
- Determined Q : 3 = round(4 - 1.0 + (-0.4)/2.0)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-06 08:08:29


Starting from new seems to be fine.

--------------------------------------------------------
D2SRoBa v3.0 beta 1
- Author: Tylo
- System: WIN_XP, AutoIt: 3.0.72.0
--------------------------------------------------------
- 2003-11-06 08:40:32
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Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : 1
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 32
- Maximum Q. : 64
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-2.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=0 (% of video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2754 kbps)
- Crash recover : No
--------------------------------------------------------
- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 01:44:31 (150359 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (128 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1946 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Sample frames : 1512
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=901 (901) audio1_br=128 video_sz=706297230. fill=100.0% cbr=0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 1
- Target mpv size : 706297230. (901 / max 2626) kbps
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Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 649408477. (Q=44, 828 kbps, err=-8.0%, sample sz=6530408.)
- Estim. mpv size : 693153001. (Q=39, 884 kbps, err=-1.8%, sample sz=6970300.)
- Estim. mpv size : 713527441. (Q=37, 910 kbps, err=1.0%, sample sz=7175184.)
- Estim. mpv size : 703112495. (Q=38, 896 kbps, err=-0.5%, sample sz=7070452.)
- Determined Q : 37 = round(38 - 1.0 + (-0.5)/1.6)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-06 09:03:39

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Old 6th November 2003, 16:15   #5  |  Link
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This appears to be a AutoIt3 related thing. I am 99% positive that the plugin has correct logic here, so it isn't executed correctly. I'll trace it down - hopfully it can be tweaked to avoid the prob.

In this (first) example it used 6 tests altogether which is 2-3 more than in the normal case. This may happen when Q gets close to 1, or maybe very high. My enodings so far has only used 3-4 tests in total.

PS: remember, 6 tests was always needed in the original binary search method (Bach and others).

/Add: I've also noted that this happens frequently:
Q=39, 884 kbps, err=-1.8%, sample sz=6970300.)
Q=37, 910 kbps, err=1.0%, sample sz=7175184.)
Q=38, 896 kbps, err=-0.5%, sample sz=7070452.) <-- not needed

When the algorithm has decided to test 38, when it already has tested 39 and 37, it is not really neccesary to perform the 38 test. It must be the target. I'll put in a check for that.




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I have another odd one for you This was a restart where I chose Auto mode. Got a final Q=84!

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D2SRoBa v3.0 beta 1
- Author: Tylo
- System: WIN_XP, AutoIt: 3.0.72.0
--------------------------------------------------------
- 2003-11-06 09:19:01
--------------------------------------------------------
Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : auto
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 32
- Maximum Q. : 64
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-2.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=0 (% of video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2754 kbps)
- Crash recover : Yes
--------------------------------------------------------
- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 01:44:31 (150359 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (128 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1946 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Sample frames : 1512
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=901 (901) audio1_br=128 video_sz=706297230. fill=100.0% cbr=0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 1
- Target mpv size : 706297230. (901 / max 2626) kbps
--------------------------------------------------------
Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 1512920214. (Q=0, 1929 kbps, err=114.1%, sample sz=15213824.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1492889053. (Q=2, 1904 kbps, err=111.3%, sample sz=15012392.)
- Estim. mpv size : 473111753. (Q=82, 603 kbps, err=-33.0%, sample sz=4757580.)
- Estim. mpv size : 533494416. (Q=64, 680 kbps, err=-24.4%, sample sz=5364784.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1167920692. (Q=12, 1489 kbps, err=65.3%, sample sz=11744532.)
- Estim. mpv size : 606676687. (Q=50, 773 kbps, err=-14.1%, sample sz=6100700.)
- Estim. mpv size : 657554911. (Q=43, 838 kbps, err=-6.9%, sample sz=6612328.)
- Estim. mpv size : 723873970. (Q=36, 923 kbps, err=2.4%, sample sz=7279228.)
- Determined Q : 84 = round(0 - 1.0 + (114.1)/1.3)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-06 09:32:16


Those are sure some strange Q calcs ? ... BTW, are sure Newton wasn't just smokin some Babylonian?

/later: Start from new looks much more promising. I'll know in 37 minutes (RT=2.64 - blatant brag)


Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : auto
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 32
- Maximum Q. : 64
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-2.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=0 (% of video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2754 kbps)
- Crash recover : No
--------------------------------------------------------
- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 01:44:31 (150359 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (128 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1946 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Sample frames : 1512
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=901 (901) audio1_br=128 video_sz=706297230. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 2 CD: video_br=1946 (1946) audio1_br=128 video_sz=1525476591. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 3 CD: video_br=2626 (2991) audio1_br=128 video_sz=2058531104. fill=88.4% cbr=1
--------------------------------------------------------
Computing target number of CDs:
- Using max bitrate=2626 for auto sample (adjusted for 2 CDs)
- Estim. mpv size : 790435274. (Q=32, 1008 kbps, err=0.0%, sample sz=7948564.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1525476591. (1946 / max 2626) kbps
--------------------------------------------------------
Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 1330377625. (Q=10, 1697 kbps, err=-12.7%, sample sz=13378188.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1637629082. (Q=2, 2089 kbps, err=7.3%, sample sz=16467888.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1544528619. (Q=5, 1970 kbps, err=1.2%, sample sz=15531676.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1505977049. (Q=6, 1921 kbps, err=-1.2%, sample sz=15144004.)
- Determined Q : 4 = round(5 - 1.0 + (1.2)/2.5)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-06 09:54:47

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What the heck! When it comes to testing, you're one of a kind.
Anyway - its the same bug as the first - just oposite. This time you recovered with 'auto' but it didn't do the: 'Computing target number of CDs', which it should - and should not have in your first log.
Something funny is happening with the recover it seems - avoid it until next beta.

/Add: @ddogg: my guess is that your current encode will oversize a bit: If i'm right, try 0.8 for adjust Q -> that would have keept Q=5.

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Great work, Tylo!
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Originally posted by tylo
/Add: I've also noted that this happens frequently:
Q=39, 884 kbps, err=-1.8%, sample sz=6970300.)
Q=37, 910 kbps, err=1.0%, sample sz=7175184.)
Q=38, 896 kbps, err=-0.5%, sample sz=7070452.) <-- not needed
It must be the target. I'll put in a check for that.
Some comments:

The Newton method works best if you implement all exit conditions:

1. Q Error < 1. This is the absolute difference two consecutive Q values may have before ending the search. Normally you set this to 1, because if two consecutive Qs are 1 unit away from each other, further iterations are not needed. If you want to stop when two consecutive Qs are identical (to avoid potential infinite loop), choose 0.5.

2. BR Error < 1,0% This is the relative difference value two consecutive BR values may have before ending the search. Normally something like 1% or 2% is enough precision to get the right Q. Even though in theory a BR within +/- 10% of the real one is adequate enough for RoBa, a lower value will likely get more chances to succeed in 1 pass.

(If you have questions let me know, but this is also how the spreadsheet works).

Also, to avoid babylonian frustrations (like Q=0) and to optimize the search, I found this magic number, used only in the second iteration, works very well:

Max(Average(1,Q_Desired),Q_Desired*(1+2*BR_Error_First_iteration))

3rd and following iterations use the normal Newton function.
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D2S only allows 1 DVD output, I believe (does it make any sense with more than one?).
AFAIK not, but it would be interesting if D2S would allow it to encode "big" dual layer DVD sources.

Thanks again for a great tool.
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@ddogg: my guess is that your current encode will oversize a bit: If i'm right, try 0.8 for adjust Q -> that would have keept Q=5.
Exactly right - - OPV pass result: 104.1% on target ( 1587967176 / 1525476591.)
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I wondering if any of the new users of the plugin would know that you have to use a special CCE template to use D2SRoBa? Maybe we should do some instructions about that and place it CLEARLY on the D2SRoBa webpage? Gee, if they did not have the right template defined with "use existing VAF" and they have not chosen it in the advanced dropdown in D2s I'm wondering what their result would be?

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I'll look into creating the RB's 'Progressive template' from the installation (optional), and make D2S use it - all automatically. . Are there any modifications needed on that template other than the 'Use existing vaf' thing?
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Hmm, that could be another can of worms. Perhaps just having a notice come up in the installation dialog telling the user that a template for use with D2sRoBa must be defined and chosen in d2s...preferably with a link to a simple instruction page /maybe template download page /?

I say can of worms because source might be progressive or interlaced with all types of permutations. I think you should just tell the user it is their responsibility. /add I guess you could check that a template has been chosen in D2s?

Instructions (first draft) could just be:

1> In the CCE Template menu make sure "Standard" is checked, and then click on it again. This will bring up the template design interface. In other words, clicking on any checked template brings up the template creation/edit dialog box.

2> For the Progressive D2sRoBa template in the 2.67.x CCE series go to quality tab and uncheck everything except "Progressive Frame Flag" and "Zigzag". Exit the Quality tab. (for Interlaced template see note below)

3> In the video tab uncheck everything except "Add Sequence Endcode". Set "Offset line" to 0 [note to self - double check all of this]. Set M=3 and N/M = 4. Exit the Video tab.

4> In the main area under "Mode" choose "MPEG-2 (ES, Multipass VBR)". Directly under "Mode" and the bitrate settings is "Multipass VBR settings" - Choose "Use existing file". Don't worry about any other special settings in the main tab except for step 5 below.

5> In "Title" change "Standard" to "D2sRoBa - Progressive", and click the "Add" button located in the lower left. Note - If needed, when changing this custom template in the future you would use "Replace" instead of "Add". Exit template design and verify D2sRoBa Progressive template is available in the template menu. Exit CCE.

6> Run DVD2SVCD. Go to the "encoder" tab and make sure "Cinema Craft Encoder" is selected. On the lower right of that dialog is "Advanced Settings" - Select it, check "use CCE template" and verify your custom template is available in the selection box. When doing an encode with D2sRoBa, remember to always chose this template.

Note: All settings are the same for the D2sRoBa - Interlaced template except step 2 above. The only thing that should be checked is "alternate". Follow the steps above with this exception and create your D2sRoBa - Interlaced template while you are doing this.

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@DDogg, I agree that it could easily be to intrusive to do such a thing automatically (even if it is optional). Your instructions are good anyway. Ok.

@r6d2, Thanks for all help with the Newton method. I have used your spreadsheet and mails to implement it. DDoggs veird Q's is a result of wrong input due to the problem mentioned - not the Newton method.

There is maybe a few tweaks that can be done still: E.g. Adjust Q could be some function of Q - it seems that for low Q's we should be more careful with adjusting (as in DDogg's example), but on higher Q's, one can sometimes adjust 2. Maybe you can think about it.
Info: 1.2 is the BR error, 2.5 is the percentage size of one Q step relative to the target bitrate.
- Determined Q : 4 = round(5 - 1.0 + (1.2)/2.5)
This gave 4.48, - 4.50 would have rounded to Q=5, so it was close.
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There is maybe a few tweaks that can be done still: E.g. Adjust Q could be some function of Q - it seems that for low Q's we should be more careful with adjusting (as in DDogg's example), but on higher Q's, one can sometimes adjust 2. Maybe you can think about it.
It makes a lot of sense. I'll give it a thought.
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FYI - One data point on the source above doing a CVD - Q 28 693,560kb Q 29 679,812kb.
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First run report - strange problem

Everything worked fine as fas as the encode matters. But after audio was encoded and D2S was resumed, I got a message box from it saying:

Audio+Video bitrate=2810 (or some number like that), out of specs, do you want to continue?




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D2SRoBa v3.0 beta 1
- Author: Tylo
- System: WIN_XP, AutoIt: 3.0.72.0
--------------------------------------------------------
- 2003-11-06 15:53:37
--------------------------------------------------------
Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : auto
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 40
- Maximum Q. : 50
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-2.0 .. 0.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=1 (% of video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2756 kbps)
- Crash recover : No
--------------------------------------------------------
- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 01:51:32 (160459 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (128 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1825 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1500, select 15 frames
- Sample frames : 1605
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=841 (841) audio1_br=128 video_sz=703547396. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 2 CD: video_br=1761 (1761) audio1_br=192 video_sz=1473183074. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 3 CD: video_br=2532 (2714) audio1_br=224 video_sz=2118171234. fill=93.8% cbr=1
--------------------------------------------------------
Computing target number of CDs:
- Using max bitrate=2564 for auto sample (adjusted for 2 CDs)
- Estim. mpv size : 841524176. (Q=40, 1005 kbps, err=0.0%, sample sz=8417392.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1473183074. (1761 / max 2564) kbps
--------------------------------------------------------
Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 1427043366. (Q=16, 1705 kbps, err=-3.1%, sample sz=14274080.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1505648881. (Q=14, 1799 kbps, err=2.2%, sample sz=15060336.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1465245205. (Q=15, 1751 kbps, err=-0.5%, sample sz=14656196.)
- Determined Q : 14 = round(15 - 1.0 + (-0.5)/2.7)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-06 16:26:01
- Actual mpv file size:
06-11-2003 18:07 1418289976 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC_FS1.mpv
- OPV pass result: 96.3% on target ( 1418289976 / 1473183074.)
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- Executing VBR Sizing Pass - 1761 kbps.
- Actual mpv file size:
06-11-2003 19:33 1472236660 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC_FS1.mpv
- Sizing pass result: 99.9% on target ( 1472236660 / 1473183074.)
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- Executing: C:\Archivos de programa\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\Indiana I\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "E:\INDIAN~1\Audio\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.mp2" -logfile "E:\INDIAN~1\Audio\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -l 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s ) -split( -start 0 -end 6692.44244244244 )
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- Recover:
- 2003-11-06 19:48:13
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Happened again, plus sizing difference

I encoded another movie. I got the same D2S warning of out to spec things. Besides, I selected 1 CD, Roba used 2 and the result was 3! (a small third image for not doing sizing pass)

P.S.: Logs are much more difficult to post. They get blanks lines almost every other line... (?) Have to edit them manually.

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D2Sroba v3.0 beta 1
- Author: Tylo
- System: WIN_XP, AutoIt: 3.0.72.0
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- 2003-11-06 23:59:20
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Settings:
- Output type : SVCD
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : 1
- Sample percent : 1.0
- Auto Q. (worst) : 40
- Maximum Q. : 60
- Adjust Q : 1.0
- Sizing pass : on=0 (-2.0 .. 0.0)%
- Audio by plugin : on=1 (% of video, 10%, min 80 kbps)
- Adjust max br : on=1 (total 2754 kbps)
- Crash recover : No
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- Waiting for CCE window ...
- Finished shutdown of CCE and D2S
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- Movie length : 01:53:20 (163046 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio setting : (96 + 0) kbps
- D2S video estim. : 1826 kbps, 2 CDs
- Select Ranges : every 1500, select 15 frames
- Sample frames : 1635
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Calculations:
- 1 CD: video_br=873 (873) audio1_br=80 video_sz=742091873. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 2 CD: video_br=1762 (1762) audio1_br=160 video_sz=1497784514. fill=100.0% cbr=0
- 3 CD: video_br=2530 (2667) audio1_br=224 video_sz=2150621351. fill=95.3% cbr=1
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Computing target number of CDs:
- Using max bitrate=2674 for auto sample (adjusted for 1 CDs)
- Estim. mpv size : 845187783. (Q=40, 994 kbps, err=0.0%, sample sz=8475412.)
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- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1497784514. (1762 / max 2594) kbps
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Search for Q:
- Estim. mpv size : 1199126245. (Q=22, 1410 kbps, err=-19.9%, sample sz=12024652.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1396233003. (Q=16, 1642 kbps, err=-6.7%, sample sz=14001208.)
- Estim. mpv size : 1512610950. (Q=13, 1779 kbps, err=1.0%, sample sz=15168228.)
- Determined Q : 12 = round(13 - 1.0 + (1.0)/2.6)
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- Encoding Movie
- 2003-11-07 00:19:56
- Actual mpv file size:
07-11-2003 01:37 1548302572 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC_FS1.mpv
- OPV pass result: 103.4% on target ( 1548302572 / 1497784514.)
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- Executing: C:\Archivos de programa\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\Indiana II\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "E:\INDIAN~2\Audio\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.mp2" -logfile "E:\INDIAN~2\Audio\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -l 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 160 -m s ) -split( -start 0 -end 6800.34200867534 )
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- Recover:
- 2003-11-07 01:50:16
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Old 7th November 2003, 13:26   #18  |  Link
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I did some recover encodes and the calculations went fine!
2-3 estimations max and no added cd oder anything, so works correct for me!
I didn't encode the entire movie, cause these encodes were for testing purposes with different filters and matrices!

Just one "bug" i found:
when you recover an tmpgenc encode, D2SRoba shows a cryptic error message (somewhere in between this message, it says "you must use cce....), and doesn't initialize its crash recovery, so it would be nice if D2SRoba would automatically select CCE as encoder!
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Thanks for reports. Audio+Video too large I know about, and I will fix it for next release. Just uncheck the test in the bitrate tab as for now. In the second log, you also got the same problem as DDogg, and I see it is not related to the recover (fortunately). I am quite sure it is some kind of problem with AutoIt3, but I'll try to get around it somehow.
I'll check the extra line feed thing too.

Why do you want an oversized image? I assume you set CD size to the media max capacity (including overburing). You can choose whether to do a sizing pass or let D2S cut off the oversize part (assuming it contains credits). An oversized image is worthless.
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Quote:
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Audio+Video too large I know about. [...]I'll check the extra line feed thing too.
Thanks a lot.
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An oversized image is worthless.
Of course. I just wanted to gather more data for the adjust thing.

Other comments:

1. Regarding the template thing... Why is it needed? I mean, the RB templates are needed, of course, with CCE 2.66+. But since the plugin customizes the ECL file, is it really needed? Is it needed also to have "Create VAF file checked" in D2S?

I think not in both cases. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

2. I'm curious about the first iteration giving err=0. Does it mean it fit perfectly?

- Estim. mpv size : 845187783. (Q=40, 994 kbps, err=0.0%, sample sz=8475412.)

3. crackhead's post made me think... Couldn't just the size determination part of CCE be used to produce "2 Pass VBR" TMPGEnc encodes? I mean, get the number of CDs with CCE, then switch to prefered encoder (whatever it might be).
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