DivX Manihi Codec Beta

Gej · 26th July 2003, 02:16

DivX Manihi Codec Beta is up at DivX.com

http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/beta/

Welcome to the new codec beta release. The release is full of new features that will improve the overall quality of your digital video experience. A list of new features and fixes can be found in the "What's New" section below. The Quality Assurance (QA) period will run for about three weeks starting 2003-07-25. All the results must be e-mailed back to us by 2003-08-15 at the latest. Intermediate results are welcome. Please submit your bugs through our bug submission form .You can discuss your bugs and feedback with the DivX community in the DivX Beta Release Feedback Forum.

What's New:

* High Quality encoding mode
- Different motion estimation criteria
- Rate distortion algorithm

*High Quality psychovisual mode
- Texture cortex masking and Rate distortion algorithm
- Hybrid mode (Texture cortex masking)

* High Quality B frame mode
- The motion estimation for B frame has been improved
- Quantization modulation is changed

* Feedback mode
- Allows visual feedback during encoding

* Decoder rearchitecture
- Decoder is 10 to 30% faster on all CPU platforms
- Decoder supports auto-postprocessing

* Encoder GUI
- The codec GUI has been redesigned to ease accessibility and simplify overall usage.
- RC modes: Enabled complexity vector logfile, and experimental texture / motion modulation switch
- RC to support real time control through API support
- I frame insertion forced through API support

Fixed:

* Fix for quantizer overshoot when over bitrate following a transition to a complex scene
* Change in quantizer from one frame to next limited to change in ideal quantizer or +-2
* Fix for a bug in RGB32 to YUV conversion on P4
* A minor issue with Multiple CPU configuration
* Fix for broken B-frames ('P' in FrameSpec was occasionally producing an I frame)
* 3.11 Compatibility improved (NO mismatach at all on ALL the clips tested, more than 60 hours of contents!)
* RC VBV enforce "3 sec" max bitrate
Bugfixes, performance improvements in nth-pass strategy planning
* MV reuse is functional
* Qpel, B frames and slow and slowest mode doesn't generate artifacts anymore

cordraconis · 26th July 2003, 11:53

d**n, I was looking around on your website becouse I have some Probs with Dr.Divx, and I just saw your new béta.

It seems you were faster than me to report it to Doom9, héhé.

SiXXGuNNZ · 26th July 2003, 12:50

very nice!

when I get my new dvd-rom drive next week I will be testing this thing out

well I tested it right quick on some avi sources, but that isn't very accurate

The People's Elbow · 26th July 2003, 20:54

In VDubs compression dialogue it still says "kauehi" though codec seems to have changed - at least the settings did.
Is it me or a little bug in the frontend?

greetz Elbow!

SiXXGuNNZ · 26th July 2003, 22:45

Quote:

Originally posted by The People's Elbow
In VDubs compression dialogue it still says "kauehi" though codec seems to have changed - at least the settings did.
Is it me or a little bug in the frontend?

greetz Elbow!

I dunno ay, mine says DivX Pro Manihi Codec

Animaniac · 26th July 2003, 23:28

Quote:

Originally posted by The People's Elbow
In VDubs compression dialogue it still says "kauehi" though codec seems to have changed - at least the settings did.
Is it me or a little bug in the frontend?

greetz Elbow!

I needed to uninstall Kauehi before installing Manihi, for it to work correctly.

rozemab · 27th July 2003, 00:36

Is it possible to install Manihi without messing up my Divx Pro install?

I would like to try it out with vdub etc. and not affect my Dr Divx configuration.

Gej · 27th July 2003, 05:03

You can install Manihi safely, it'll not impact DrDivX, as it use it's own private encoder.

saeed · 27th July 2003, 08:38

I have just downloaded and installed manihi. but what I got was kauehi in the decoder and the encoder. The previous version on my system was 5.03 not kauehi. the reamde file is for manihi, though.

The file size is 1,912,749 bytes. Can someone confirm that.

The People's Elbow · 27th July 2003, 11:29

I had to delete the divx.dll manually to get manihi working, maybe my system is messed up a bit

This new overlay dialog is a pretty thing, but for job encoding it's a disadvantage, because its always showing the encoded output which slows down encoding while I'm asleep... can that be disabled?

greetz elbow!

pluonk · 27th July 2003, 11:33

I installed Manihi today and am now encoding a movie with VDubmod (which btw correctly identifies as "DivX Pro Manihi Codec"). It runs extremely slowly, ~7fps, while 5.05 and previous encoded at 15-20fps (for the same type of movie, which is PAL interlaced using FieldDeinterlace). The settings for Manihi are the defaults (perfomance/quality: standard, psychovisual enh: slow, -Qpel, +GMC, +Bframes). Has anybody tested it or know what's wrong?

Btw, I closed the overlay dialog, hoping that it was to blame for the slow performance, but it didn't help at all. If I choose to keep this codec, does anybody know how to prevent this dialog from popping up each time VDubmod runs?

saeed · 27th July 2003, 12:28

To disable the feedback window you have to click the settings bottun next to OK bottun and check the option.

I guess it is slower because of the new psychovisual enhancement and the motion estimation in B-frames.

SeeMoreDigital · 27th July 2003, 15:18

Well here we are again with another DivX test codec. Great fun!

Quote:

To disable the feedback window you have to click the settings bottun next to OK bottun and check the option.
I guess it is slower because of the new psychovisual enhancement and the motion estimation in B-frames.

Granted the decoder will be slower if psy etc is used. But if you disable the feedback window the encoder should run approx twice as fast.

I'm currently encoding Tomb Raider 1 (PAL 96min) in anamorphic (720x576) with video at 913kbps and audio at 96kbps. So I should have some results in a few hours.

As per normal I'll compare this new encode against previous encode versions such as DivXPro5.0.5 & Kauehi. And view the output on my TV via the Xcard.

Fr4nz · 27th July 2003, 18:55

Quote:

Originally posted by pluonk
I installed Manihi today and am now encoding a movie with VDubmod (which btw correctly identifies as "DivX Pro Manihi Codec"). It runs extremely slowly, ~7fps, while 5.05 and previous encoded at 15-20fps (for the same type of movie, which is PAL interlaced using FieldDeinterlace). The settings for Manihi are the defaults (perfomance/quality: standard, psychovisual enh: slow, -Qpel, +GMC, +Bframes). Has anybody tested it or know what's wrong?

Btw, I closed the overlay dialog, hoping that it was to blame for the slow performance, but it didn't help at all. If I choose to keep this codec, does anybody know how to prevent this dialog from popping up each time VDubmod runs?

Also the GMC active slows down the encoding ALOT.
Try to put psyco on fast and disable GMC..it should be really faster.

SeeMoreDigital · 27th July 2003, 20:36

My first test with DivX Manihi is complete.

To be honest I can't see any difference between this version and Kauehi. I will generate a lower bitrate encode tomorrow. Maybe (I hope) this will reveal some more positive results.

All is not lost though as I do prefer the new interface.

Anybody else like this?

Fr4nz · 27th July 2003, 20:40

I also tried Manihi at 1000kbps and I can't see any difference with Kauehi (same options enabled). Oh I have to say also that I find Kauehi faster, so I think I'll stick with it.

Morbo · 27th July 2003, 23:03

Overlay window is ultra cool

Looks like a nice release overall again gej..

Cheers!!

silver_cpu · 28th July 2003, 04:07

I have an interesting problem...

Ever since I upgraded (from Kauehi), whenever I try to encode through VirtualDubMod , it gives me this error:

VideoSourceAVI error: the source image format is not acceptable. (error code -2)

Anyone know what this means? I've tried different settings, as well as changing the resolution (thought I might have hit a bad one), but nothing seems to help. I'm trying to encode one of the pieces in "the animatrix," can anyone describe what VDM's problem is, and how to fix it?

EDIT: Well, it seems that this is a system-wide problem. I tried out Xvid and Divx3 just in case it was truely DivX5 that had caused the problem, that didn't fix it. Vor some reason, VDubMod is rejecting the video stream. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the GKnot rip-pack (0.28.5, with 0.28.5.2 patch), and un-installing DivX (even running a registry cleaner to catch stray reg entries), reinstalling with the retail 5.0.5 codec (none of the betas). Nothing works

It keeps giving me the same error, but I can't seem to locate that error when I search the boards... Maybe I'll have luck and figure out what it is soon.

LordIntruder · 28th July 2003, 05:59

Look here, it may solve your problem:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51906

silver_cpu · 28th July 2003, 07:33

Thank you so much! It worked perfectly

26th July 2003, 02:16	#1 \| Link
Gej DivX guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 79	DivX Manihi Codec Beta DivX Manihi Codec Beta is up at DivX.com http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/beta/ Welcome to the new codec beta release. The release is full of new features that will improve the overall quality of your digital video experience. A list of new features and fixes can be found in the "What's New" section below. The Quality Assurance (QA) period will run for about three weeks starting 2003-07-25. All the results must be e-mailed back to us by 2003-08-15 at the latest. Intermediate results are welcome. Please submit your bugs through our bug submission form .You can discuss your bugs and feedback with the DivX community in the DivX Beta Release Feedback Forum. What's New: * High Quality encoding mode - Different motion estimation criteria - Rate distortion algorithm High Quality psychovisual mode - Texture cortex masking and Rate distortion algorithm - Hybrid mode (Texture cortex masking) High Quality B frame mode - The motion estimation for B frame has been improved - Quantization modulation is changed * Feedback mode - Allows visual feedback during encoding * Decoder rearchitecture - Decoder is 10 to 30% faster on all CPU platforms - Decoder supports auto-postprocessing * Encoder GUI - The codec GUI has been redesigned to ease accessibility and simplify overall usage. - RC modes: Enabled complexity vector logfile, and experimental texture / motion modulation switch - RC to support real time control through API support - I frame insertion forced through API support Fixed: * Fix for quantizer overshoot when over bitrate following a transition to a complex scene * Change in quantizer from one frame to next limited to change in ideal quantizer or +-2 * Fix for a bug in RGB32 to YUV conversion on P4 * A minor issue with Multiple CPU configuration * Fix for broken B-frames ('P' in FrameSpec was occasionally producing an I frame) * 3.11 Compatibility improved (NO mismatach at all on ALL the clips tested, more than 60 hours of contents!) * RC VBV enforce "3 sec" max bitrate Bugfixes, performance improvements in nth-pass strategy planning * MV reuse is functional * Qpel, B frames and slow and slowest mode doesn't generate artifacts anymore

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cordraconis Lurker by lack of time Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Belgium, Zele Posts: 90	d**n, I was looking around on your website becouse I have some Probs with Dr.Divx, and I just saw your new béta. It seems you were faster than me to report it to Doom9, héhé. __________________ "the Word Wide Web is a web like any other: either you get caught in it, or you learn to walk on it like a spider. In the future, I'd like to be somewhere on top of the food chain. " -- Cordraconis

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The People's Elbow Addicted to ANiME! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 106	In VDubs compression dialogue it still says "kauehi" though codec seems to have changed - at least the settings did. Is it me or a little bug in the frontend? greetz Elbow! __________________ encoding @: AMD K7-2000+ XP 1,66 GHz - MSI MS-6380 - 512MB DDR-Ram @ 133(266)MHz FSB - WinXP SP1 ...and that's the bottom line... ;)

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saeed Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9	I have just downloaded and installed manihi. but what I got was kauehi in the decoder and the encoder. The previous version on my system was 5.03 not kauehi. the reamde file is for manihi, though. The file size is 1,912,749 bytes. Can someone confirm that. Last edited by saeed; 27th July 2003 at 08:45.

27th July 2003, 11:29	#10 \| Link
The People's Elbow Addicted to ANiME! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 106	I had to delete the divx.dll manually to get manihi working, maybe my system is messed up a bit This new overlay dialog is a pretty thing, but for job encoding it's a disadvantage, because its always showing the encoded output which slows down encoding while I'm asleep... can that be disabled? greetz elbow! __________________ encoding @: AMD K7-2000+ XP 1,66 GHz - MSI MS-6380 - 512MB DDR-Ram @ 133(266)MHz FSB - WinXP SP1 ...and that's the bottom line... ;)

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SiXXGuNNZ Your Buddy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 299	very nice! when I get my new dvd-rom drive next week I will be testing this thing out well I tested it right quick on some avi sources, but that isn't very accurate

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rozemab Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cornfields of Indiana Posts: 40	Is it possible to install Manihi without messing up my Divx Pro install? I would like to try it out with vdub etc. and not affect my Dr Divx configuration.

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Gej DivX guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 79	You can install Manihi safely, it'll not impact DrDivX, as it use it's own private encoder.

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pluonk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5	I installed Manihi today and am now encoding a movie with VDubmod (which btw correctly identifies as "DivX Pro Manihi Codec"). It runs extremely slowly, ~7fps, while 5.05 and previous encoded at 15-20fps (for the same type of movie, which is PAL interlaced using FieldDeinterlace). The settings for Manihi are the defaults (perfomance/quality: standard, psychovisual enh: slow, -Qpel, +GMC, +Bframes). Has anybody tested it or know what's wrong? Btw, I closed the overlay dialog, hoping that it was to blame for the slow performance, but it didn't help at all. If I choose to keep this codec, does anybody know how to prevent this dialog from popping up each time VDubmod runs? Last edited by pluonk; 27th July 2003 at 11:38.

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saeed Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9	To disable the feedback window you have to click the settings bottun next to OK bottun and check the option. I guess it is slower because of the new psychovisual enhancement and the motion estimation in B-frames.

27th July 2003, 20:36	#15 \| Link
SeeMoreDigital Life looks better in HDTV Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 10,008	My first test with DivX Manihi is complete. To be honest I can't see any difference between this version and Kauehi. I will generate a lower bitrate encode tomorrow. Maybe (I hope) this will reveal some more positive results. All is not lost though as I do prefer the new interface. Anybody else like this? __________________ Still confused about anamorphic images? Then look here! \| Main Encoding Interests: Hardware device playback \| My Gear \|

27th July 2003, 20:40	#16 \| Link
Fr4nz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Venice, Italy Posts: 402	I also tried Manihi at 1000kbps and I can't see any difference with Kauehi (same options enabled). Oh I have to say also that I find Kauehi faster, so I think I'll stick with it.

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Morbo I Will Destroy You!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Puny Earthling's Planet Posts: 161	The overlay window Overlay window is ultra cool Looks like a nice release overall again gej.. Cheers!! __________________ Jesus Saves,but Buddah makes incremental backups!

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silver_cpu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 64	I have an interesting problem... Ever since I upgraded (from Kauehi), whenever I try to encode through VirtualDubMod , it gives me this error: VideoSourceAVI error: the source image format is not acceptable. (error code -2) Anyone know what this means? I've tried different settings, as well as changing the resolution (thought I might have hit a bad one), but nothing seems to help. I'm trying to encode one of the pieces in "the animatrix," can anyone describe what VDM's problem is, and how to fix it? EDIT: Well, it seems that this is a system-wide problem. I tried out Xvid and Divx3 just in case it was truely DivX5 that had caused the problem, that didn't fix it. Vor some reason, VDubMod is rejecting the video stream. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the GKnot rip-pack (0.28.5, with 0.28.5.2 patch), and un-installing DivX (even running a registry cleaner to catch stray reg entries), reinstalling with the retail 5.0.5 codec (none of the betas). Nothing works It keeps giving me the same error, but I can't seem to locate that error when I search the boards... Maybe I'll have luck and figure out what it is soon. Last edited by silver_cpu; 28th July 2003 at 05:14.

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LordIntruder Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 109	Look here, it may solve your problem: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51906

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silver_cpu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 64	Thank you so much! It worked perfectly

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