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Old 7th January 2003, 23:02   #1  |  Link
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Windows Media 9 Series is released now

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"Compared to xvid, you should be able to get the same quality at roughly half the size, assuming similar encoding params are used for both (no fair testing one in CBR and other in VBR for example). I say "roughly" since your preference for compression artifacts may be different than mine. But you should always be able to beat it in efficiency. "
- amir, worker at microsoft, as he told us about the WM9 in September 2002.

(source: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41109 )

Well, doom9, somebody should check this codec out. And give us the important final judgement:

Will it fit a 3CD XVID-encoded movie on a 2CD WM9 Encoded Movie like Microsoft brags about? (yeh yeh, i know they say half the size, but nobody believe in that eh?
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Old 7th January 2003, 23:15   #2  |  Link
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the encoder is still only for winxp and 2000! thats why i love m$
thank god that there is Nic's WM9 Encoder
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Old 7th January 2003, 23:48   #3  |  Link
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Huh? There is a version for XP and then another for 98SE, Me, and 2000.
EDIT: Oops, sorry you are right it is for XP and 2000.

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Old 7th January 2003, 23:50   #4  |  Link
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Re: Windows Media 9 Series is released now

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(yeh yeh, i know they say half the size, but nobody believe in that eh?
Well, that really shouldn't be believed about audio, for sure. WMA9@64 is surely worse than MP3@128, although MS claims otherwise.
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Old 8th January 2003, 00:02   #5  |  Link
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WMA9@64 is surely worse than MP3@128, although MS claims otherwise. [/B]
what about wma9@96 or 128 compared to MP3@128?

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Old 8th January 2003, 00:17   #6  |  Link
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Damn i tried this encoding utility. Try converting a file, but it just crashes (or i end up in windows xp desktop again). strange.

I really do think that Microsoft should fix this. All that nice codec programming, and then they destroy it all by hiring some looser to make the Encoding utility.
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Old 8th January 2003, 00:21   #7  |  Link
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@flour: does my little encoding utility mess up too? if you follow the readme.txt right it should work fine, but shout me if there are problems because I havent had chance to test it 100%...

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Old 8th January 2003, 00:36   #8  |  Link
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The Media Player has at least one bug: after pushing the small "open file" button my system freezes and the only way to get out is to reboot

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did you already check any changes in the codecs?
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Old 8th January 2003, 01:10   #9  |  Link
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nic, no it was the windows media encoding program.
1. I open Start Menu\Programs\Windows Media\Windows Media Encoder
2. select the convert a file
3. doubleclick on one file

oh now i did not get a crash. now it just said something about error in 0x000 (some hex address). stupid program
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Old 8th January 2003, 01:25   #10  |  Link
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@fluor: hopefully mine will work for you...

@bond: ill check tomorrow, but I updated the codec pretty recently. Ill see if the SDK has been updated any further.

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what about wma9@96 or 128 compared to MP3@128?
Neither can archive transparency (the so-called "CD-quality") on most samples, that's for sure.

Then, it's more of a matter to decide which kind of artifact can you stand better. I personally can stand MP3's artifacts better, but I admit there may be some anti-MS bias there.

Besides, keep in mind that MS can play dirty here. They can say, "well, our MP3 samples at 128kbps sound surely worse than WMA at 64", but they 'forget' to mention that their samples were encoded with MP3 dist10 code (reference code, terrible quality). I never saw clarified anywhere what MP3 encoder they used for their tests (although I must admit I didn't search much either).

It's a problem with open standards, like MP3 (and AAC). There are both excellent encoders (Lame, FhG) and terrible encoders (Xing, Blade, SoloH, Cannamp, 8hz, SCMPX, Plugger...)

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I noticed. I'll see what can I do, and reply.
Thanks for the suggestion.

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Oh ho, impressive :O
The new encoder only shuts down every time I try to open a source file to encode.
:\... I can't get this encoder to work for crap. I was hoping the final release would work, but I get errors and shut downs every time I try to open something. Guess I'm using Nic's from now on.
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Old 8th January 2003, 03:36   #13  |  Link
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Will you do a codec comparison with that new one? Personaly I don,t think I'll ever use WMV9, 1st it's M$, 2nd it's still M$.
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Old 8th January 2003, 03:46   #14  |  Link
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Re: Re: Windows Media 9 Series is released now

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WMA9@64 is surely worse than MP3@128, although MS claims otherwise.
Indeed. In fact, WMA@64 is sometimes surprisingly good, but more frequently really really awful, as demonstrated in ff123's recent comprehensive 64kbit/s listening test:



Note of course that this is WMA8, not WMA9, but I haven't noticed any significant improvement in audio quality. Perhaps there has been, in which case I am happy to be enlightened.
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Old 8th January 2003, 06:40   #15  |  Link
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Yes, this program crashes when you try to load an avi or mpg file. Once you select it, it crashes and gives you the send/don't send then and reloads the program. The only file you can load is asf, but what's the point of encoding a low res like that again? I'll have to give Nic's a try.
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I've tried with Nic's and i can't get that to work either. And I'm using XP pro, too.
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Old 8th January 2003, 09:53   #17  |  Link
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Can we trust wm9???

I was sceptical about installing WM9. Worried that it might mess with video/audio setups, ripping capability and report OS details back to M$. Now I have it installed my PC is doing strange things. Whenever I go to play online content, it tries to access 192.168.1.1 which is the IP of my Linksys router. Fortunately my router is password protected so it can't do anything to it. No online content plays.

Does anyone have any more information about the spyware / policeware nature of WM9? Is is safe to install?

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Old 8th January 2003, 11:06   #18  |  Link
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Updated my encoder to the latest SDK release...
@Psymaster: what happens when you try to encode? did you install the codec off my site? did you read the readme.txt carefully? Cheers for any info.

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Old 8th January 2003, 11:06   #19  |  Link
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wma9..

I've tried encoding some music for quite awhile with WMA9 beta on my XP machine and I think the audio quality is very good compared to mp3. And you who has tried the 64kbps mode, have you really activated the vbr?
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Updated my encoder to the latest SDK release...
Did you update your download page ?
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