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Old 6th February 2004, 10:59   #321  |  Link
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Daphy: The channel-mapping is correct in that "copied guide",
as that guide goes for ac3 using ac3enc.dll.

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AC3Enc.DLL ? Yuck !!!

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Old 6th February 2004, 11:14   #322  |  Link
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http://www.planetquake.com/filterfactory/3daudio.html

has anybody seen this? it this exact guide with a different layout (it links to it as well, so i suppose it's not complete plagiarism).

i was looking for help on emigrator and found it. i suppose in a way it's allright because it gives more people awareness of ambisonics, and as the guide is lifted from here it's not spreading mis-information about it, but there's nothing there to say that Eye of Horus came up with the guide this guy is taking credit for.

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i just posted in this guy's thread on the quake 3 forums...
Just read what you wrote on that forum. Thanks !
Indeed it would be nice to receive some credits. Especially when you see where my very first guide lead to ! We've gone a long way from the Cooledit method to the ones we use now and we're still not there
New methods are developed and the writing of a new guide is a thing to do the coming weeks.

Also I would like to point out the great improvement on the Fireverb package. I always liked the Fireverb method to built your own (clean !) pulses, but didn't like the (only) 16 bits method in their Multivolver. Now you can use 32 bits and up to 96 Khz (although that's still upsampled 48 !). But using 32 bits 48 Khz roompulses and convolve to 5.1 now gives excellent results without the dull sound the 16 bit version gave.
Highly recommended , if only for 30 days because of the high pricetag.
http://www.catt.se Where you can download a 30 days trial.

grtz,

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Old 6th February 2004, 11:18   #323  |  Link
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Illness !

I would like to thank everyone here on the forum who knew about my illness and who shared their best wishes. It seems like it helped, because last Monday I had my first check after the radiation and the tumor is completely gone ! Of course I need to come back to hospital the coming months for more checks, but according to the doctor it looks good and she expects it will stay that way !

Now I need to build up some condition again and finally paying more attention to what's going on in 5.1 land

Thanks again m8es !

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Old 7th February 2004, 02:00   #324  |  Link
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Just read what you wrote on that forum. Thanks !
Indeed it would be nice to receive some credits. Especially when you see where my very first guide lead to !

EoH
Lo All,
Sorry to hear from you in this manner :-(

But hey now you have looked at my site hah!

Sry but not many have taken advantage of your fine findings for quake3 trick movies. and I havnt had the time to continue the page.

but just so you know I didnt sneeky steal,I gave intentions
posted when they came about.

I also gave direct link to Eye of Horas guide
but if you feel disrespected I will add any comments to the page you like.


reference low numbered pages for my intentions
and here is page where i announced it http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...0&pagenumber=8

peace audio/bitsnbytes quake3 arena/G-Man

home of the filterfactory for quake3 arena mod servers for gamespy arcade

ps i hear surcode bronze will be like 99 bucks? for dvd_audio that would be sweet
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Old 8th February 2004, 16:06   #325  |  Link
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ah, okay. the direct link there made me think it wasn't "sneaky-steal", so i withheld total flamage on the quake forum... hope that wasn't too blunt there.

still, that was the only place on the page that mentioned EoH which kinda worried me. that's easily fixed i imagine

hehe.. to be honest, i totally suck at quake. can't move an inch without being blown-up/shredded/chopped/telefragged...
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Re: Openly Upfront

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Lo All,
Sorry to hear from you in this manner :-(

But hey now you have looked at my site hah!

Sry but not many have taken advantage of your fine findings for quake3 trick movies. and I havnt had the time to continue the page.

but just so you know I didnt sneeky steal,I gave intentions
posted when they came about.

I also gave direct link to Eye of Horas guide
but if you feel disrespected I will add any comments to the page you like.


reference low numbered pages for my intentions
and here is page where i announced it http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...0&pagenumber=8

peace audio/bitsnbytes quake3 arena/G-Man

home of the filterfactory for quake3 arena mod servers for gamespy arcade

ps i hear surcode bronze will be like 99 bucks? for dvd_audio that would be sweet

Come on ! I am not offended at all. But the way you quote, it looks that way !!
The more people have advantage from my guide, the better !!!
I am honored that it is on other sites too !!

kind regards,

EoH
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Old 11th February 2004, 23:54   #327  |  Link
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FYI : LCR Upmix Bidules

Just for your information:

I've created a few LCR-Upmix Bidule Groups, which you might find useful: LCR Upmix Bidules

Cheers,
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Old 14th February 2004, 22:07   #328  |  Link
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i dunno what i'm doing wrong, but i followed the guide to a T and the surround file created from Bidule is blank
should i hear the file as i'm playing (and recording) it?

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Don't take offense at any questions, cuz sometimes the simplest thing is sometimes overlooked. I should know...done that many times...

Did you make sure the processing button on the was on and the light was green before you started processing?

What kind of file are you using for a source?

You should hear something while processing, provided you don't have the offline processing enabled.
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Yes, green light on.

I'm using a 16 bit 48000 khz stereo wav.

Offline processing is not enabled and I don't hear anything.
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Old 15th February 2004, 18:26   #331  |  Link
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ok, I tried it again and this time did get files that contained the audio, but it didn't seem to do much. the files sound basically the same and one is blank, assuming that is the LFE.
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ok, I tried it again and this time did get files that contained the audio, but it didn't seem to do much. the files sound basically the same and one is blank, assuming that is the LFE.
Listening to one of the files, can give indeed the impression nothing changed. But....... load all of your 5 files into SF and you will see the differences.
Better..... make a DTS from them :-) and listen then !

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Don't take offense at any questions, cuz sometimes the simplest thing is sometimes overlooked. I should know...done that many times...

Did you make sure the processing button on the was on and the light was green before you started processing?

What kind of file are you using for a source?

You should hear something while processing, provided you don't have the offline processing enabled.
And....... I always do the process without the out-connection to my soundcard ! I never hear anything.... on purpose !
After the whole process I burn a CDRW and go downstairs to my HTS and that's the first time I hear what I've been doing

Nothing better than a big surprise

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Listening to one of the files, can give indeed the impression nothing changed. But....... load all of your 5 files into SF and you will see the differences.
Better..... make a DTS from them :-) and listen then !

grtz,

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what about the subwoofer? just add the center channel there when encoding or what?
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Re: FYI : LCR Upmix Bidules

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Just for your information:

I've created a few LCR-Upmix Bidule Groups, which you might find useful: LCR Upmix Bidules

Cheers,
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This also will go into test-mode !!

Within a few days, I will finalize my big comparison.
Accessible for everyone interested !

This is what I will do :

I took 10 pieces of different music and will process it with all available published methods.
(A quick count in my head : 10)
This will give 10*10 soundfiles.... That's too much with full songs, so from every song 2 minutes......

This must lead to a final conclusion which method is the best for a certain kind of music...


These are the titles I chose :

1. The Blue Danube - J. Strauss
A classic waltz with a lot of violins

2. When You Got A Friend - Peter Green
A blues song.

3. Mixed Emotions - The Rolling Stones
Uptempo rock.

4. Tainted Love - The Flying Pickets
An acapella song with clean voices

5. Unomathemba - Ladysmith Black Mambazo
Acapella with dark voices

6. Spente Le Stelle - Emma Shapplin
Opera voice on modern synths music.

7. Them heavy People - Kate Bush
A complete different voice !

8. The Eve Of War - Jeff Wayne
Rock with a lot of effects between left and right speakers

9. Oxygene 4 - Jean Michel Jarre
Synths

10. Hotel California - The Eagles
Softpop.

Of course it's easy to add more and more styles..... house, dance, hiphop, rap, big choirs...etc. etc.
I just took some titles from my catalog

I know it is an ambitious project and it will keep me from the streets for a few days. But I think this is the only way to go, now that the amount of different methods to get from 2.0 to 5.1 is getting out of hand.....

Remember.... from every song 2 minutes encoded with at least 10 different methods.......

Let's see which one gives the best results.....

I will yell here when it's ready and available for download in alt.binaries.sounds and alt.binaries.sounds.dts

Of course I'm open for suggestions the methods.
If there is any method nobody uses (anymore), I'll appreciate feedback, because that saves me quite some time !!

I also like to hear feedback on my choices of music...... (but please don't let this thread go into a general "I would chose another song : xxxxxx for song nr. xx" one !!!!!!!!!!)


grtz,

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what about the subwoofer? just add the center channel there when encoding or what?
You have 5 files, no LFE ? Just leave it blank !
I chose for 5 mono files and no LFE, because it sounds better to let the receiver (or non dedicated subwoofer) handle the filtering. Also when people have an amplified LFE, it sometimes gives nasty side-effects (a lot of unwanted reverb and resonance).
(I have an amplified on my HTS and one between the 2 front-speakers on the PC. It is a big difference and I prefer the sound in 5.0 ! And if I remember correctly that's also the opinion of the Ambisonics experts .....)

Good luck and have fun !!

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alright, thanks man. i'll be interested to hear your results on that time consuming test you have coming up as well
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Thanks

I just want to give a big thanks to everyone that has contributed bidules, testing etc. I have learned a lot and I am enjoying my albums as never before. Incidentally, I tried Kempfand's UJH to B layout and it resulted in the gain being too low. Is there a way to increase this in the Bidule. Otherwise I liked the result
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I tried Kempfand's UJH to B layout and it resulted in the gain being too low
You can increase the Wet gain in SIR if things sounds still ok. I go up to -3dB sometimes.

Important (for this method):
- For the 3 instances of SIR, put the wet-gain at exactly the same values for all 3 of them (or else the sound-image is destroyed)
- Turn off the "Auto Gain"
- For the pulses used here, keep the "Dry Gain" off ("-oo dB", i.e. slider at the very bottom)


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Is there a way to increase this in the Bidule ?
Yes, you can add 3 instances of Gain (In Bidule: Palette -> Mixing -> Gain), and put them between Emigrator and 'Audio File Recorder'. As you have 6 speaker-channels, you need 3 of them, because Gain only has 2 in/out-pins.
Important: Put the gain-values (Amplitude) to exactly the same value for all 3 of them.


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Otherwise I liked the result
I agree the result is very good. Even better results can be achieved by using David Malham's Third Order VST Ambisonic Tools . As confirmed by the experts and also my listening tests, every 2nd/3rd-order Ambisonic panning beats 1st order. If you want, I can post a small bidule for Pentagon-decode.

Cheers,
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If you want, I can post a small bidule for Pentagon-decode.

Cheers,
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Please post

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