Dual Layer Media?? -from pioneer

gnutellafan · 9th October 2002, 15:25

Quote:

http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/multime.../dvd-r_faq.htm
Q: Can I use the current model DVD Writers to write to Dual Layer DVD-R's when they become available?

A: The basic technology for Dual layer DVD-R media is still under development so it would be impossible to incorporate this ability into the current model writers as no standards or media exist yet. It could be a few years away. No one knows what will be required to write to dual layer media if and when it appears. There is no doubt that a new drive will be required to write to dual layer DVD-R's.

I thought dual layer media was not going to be possible. This certainly implies that it is very much a possibility. Anyone else have more info on this?

alexnoe · 9th October 2002, 15:28

Why should it be impossible :?

5 years ago, you would have been said to be crazy if you'd told someone "in 5 years, there will be dvd recorders, 3 GHz CPUs, 1 GB memory pieces, graphic cards with 128 MB RAM and 200 GB hard discs..."

=> "impossible" is a word you should use very carefully...

Commander XJL · 9th October 2002, 17:14

Nothing is impossible, the bible says so. 50 years ago you never would have thought we would have Starfleet and Starships flying all over the galaxy but now we do, I've seen it on TV. Of course there will be duel layer burners, then we can all through away our DVD collections we've spent thousands on plus all the time invested so we can reburn all our DVD's again like we reburned our VCD's to SVCD and our SVCD's to DVDR. When will it ever end, sometimes I wonder if we should all just get real lives

alexnoe · 9th October 2002, 17:23

Well, I don't care as to the bible in any way...is there some sarcasm in you post?

Commander XJL · 9th October 2002, 17:39

No I meant it. It's gonna be real nice too, changing formats for the third or fourth time. I think we should all get girlfriends, it would probably be cheaper

gnutellafan · 9th October 2002, 19:42

Ok, so "impossible" is much to strong. My point was that I didnt think we would be seeing them. In fact there are tons of posts here where people ask, "when will dual layer burners be out?" and the forums has really flamed them.

So does anyone know, might we actaully see dual layer burners some time soon?

alexnoe · 9th October 2002, 20:12

Soon: definitely No
Somewhen in the distant future: maybe...but don't forget: In some years, when blue ray discs are common, nobody needs dual layer dvd discs any longer. On the other hand, dvd+rw has been introduced although no one needs that either

Commander XJL · 9th October 2002, 20:33

I read about this before, the blue ray disks are single layer and may hold 50 gig off data. Thats ten DVD movies on one disk. They say these disks will be available in around 3 years. I imagine you would need new standalones for these disks. The blue ray or another form of large data single layer DVD will probably be the thing instead of duel layer. But it's a fact, soon 4.3 gig DVDR's will be considered a big joke. I'm already thinking there a joke because they don't hold enough.

alexnoe · 9th October 2002, 21:08

The first generation of blue ray discs will have about 25 GB per layer, with the first ones being single layer. It will of course require new players and recorders.

The first recorders are planned to have 4x/2x speed for them, with 1x = 36 MBit/s. Of course, Toshiba has planned to design an own new format, so that the same crap as with dvd+ vs dvd- will begin again.

jesoonster · 10th October 2002, 05:35

These burners have to get fans or some cooling device in them in the future. Burning stuff at 2X for dvds gets my burner WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too hot.

alexnoe · 10th October 2002, 09:05

Look into the data sheet... It consumes up to 24 Watts, which is iirc twice as much as most other drives.

I've installed a cooling fan beneath the drive...

Doggiedaddy · 4th July 2004, 05:27

Quote:

Originally posted by alexnoe
Well, I don't care as to the bible in any way

WOW HOW BRAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the helpless children shall reap the sins of their fathers on the day of judgment! THAT SAID,

I predicted duel layer being available by 2005 nearly 10 years ago, and was mocked for my opinion?

Doggiedaddy
TheChoctaw Man

www.dvd9to5.com

[_chéf_] · 13th July 2004, 14:45

Pioneer just announced their latest model which support 4x DVD+R DL as well as 16x DVD±R!

Have a look here:
http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release141.html

9th October 2002, 17:14	#3 \| Link
Commander XJL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 483	Nothing is impossible, the bible says so. 50 years ago you never would have thought we would have Starfleet and Starships flying all over the galaxy but now we do, I've seen it on TV. Of course there will be duel layer burners, then we can all through away our DVD collections we've spent thousands on plus all the time invested so we can reburn all our DVD's again like we reburned our VCD's to SVCD and our SVCD's to DVDR. When will it ever end, sometimes I wonder if we should all just get real lives Last edited by Commander XJL; 9th October 2002 at 17:16.

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Commander XJL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 483	No I meant it. It's gonna be real nice too, changing formats for the third or fourth time. I think we should all get girlfriends, it would probably be cheaper Last edited by Commander XJL; 9th October 2002 at 17:41.

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gnutellafan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 204	Ok, so "impossible" is much to strong. My point was that I didnt think we would be seeing them. In fact there are tons of posts here where people ask, "when will dual layer burners be out?" and the forums has really flamed them. So does anyone know, might we actaully see dual layer burners some time soon? __________________ Get the fastest and most secure CD Ripper dBpoweramp Reference R13 featuring PerfectMeta Try the most powerful and easy to use DVD editor - DVD Remake Pro

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alexnoe Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,737	Soon: definitely No Somewhen in the distant future: maybe...but don't forget: In some years, when blue ray discs are common, nobody needs dual layer dvd discs any longer. On the other hand, dvd+rw has been introduced although no one needs that either Last edited by alexnoe; 9th October 2002 at 20:16.

9th October 2002, 20:33	#8 \| Link
Commander XJL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 483	I read about this before, the blue ray disks are single layer and may hold 50 gig off data. Thats ten DVD movies on one disk. They say these disks will be available in around 3 years. I imagine you would need new standalones for these disks. The blue ray or another form of large data single layer DVD will probably be the thing instead of duel layer. But it's a fact, soon 4.3 gig DVDR's will be considered a big joke. I'm already thinking there a joke because they don't hold enough. Last edited by Commander XJL; 9th October 2002 at 20:39.

9th October 2002, 15:28	#2 \| Link
alexnoe Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,737	Why should it be impossible :? 5 years ago, you would have been said to be crazy if you'd told someone "in 5 years, there will be dvd recorders, 3 GHz CPUs, 1 GB memory pieces, graphic cards with 128 MB RAM and 200 GB hard discs..." => "impossible" is a word you should use very carefully...

9th October 2002, 17:23	#4 \| Link
alexnoe Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,737	Well, I don't care as to the bible in any way...is there some sarcasm in you post?

9th October 2002, 21:08	#9 \| Link
alexnoe Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,737	The first generation of blue ray discs will have about 25 GB per layer, with the first ones being single layer. It will of course require new players and recorders. The first recorders are planned to have 4x/2x speed for them, with 1x = 36 MBit/s. Of course, Toshiba has planned to design an own new format, so that the same crap as with dvd+ vs dvd- will begin again.

10th October 2002, 05:35	#10 \| Link
jesoonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 117	These burners have to get fans or some cooling device in them in the future. Burning stuff at 2X for dvds gets my burner WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too hot.

10th October 2002, 09:05	#11 \| Link
alexnoe Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,737	Look into the data sheet... It consumes up to 24 Watts, which is iirc twice as much as most other drives. I've installed a cooling fan beneath the drive...

13th July 2004, 14:45	#13 \| Link
[_chéf_] Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 52	Pioneer just announced their latest model which support 4x DVD+R DL as well as 16x DVD±R! Have a look here: http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release141.html

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