Backup hddvd and IME

[guile]

Originally Posted by blizc

The second feature .evo for Training Day works perfectly for me. Why do we get differrent results. Hmm... Do you use PowerDVD 7.2 ? That's my evo player.

Judging by some other responses, I'm sure that is it. I just tried to install 7.2 Ultra but it reverted to Blu Ray ONLY. I will give it another shot and see what's up.

Btw, speaking of Powerdvd, is that the player most are using for their .evo files?...or is it Windvd??

[guile]

Originally Posted by evdberg

Instead of choosing the playlist, you should choose 'Play HD-DVD from HD' mode ... well, I won't repeat myself anymore ...

Eventhough the option is there (at least in 6.5) it does NOT work. I have moved all other files into the directory with the .evo files and nothing, nada zilch, won't work.

[evdberg]

Originally Posted by guile

Eventhough the option is there (at least in 6.5) it does NOT work. I have moved all other files into the directory with the .evo files and nothing, nada zilch, won't work.

You have to keep the filestructure the same as on the original disk, but maybe because the encryption is removed, some other files have to be changed as well. I will try it myself as soon as I can ...

And by the way, how do you know that the option does not work if you even do not know whether the option is there?

[guile]

Originally Posted by evdberg

You have to keep the filestructure the same as on the original disk, but maybe because the encryption is removed, some other files have to be changed as well. I will try it myself as soon as I can ...

I thought exactly the same thing. Since it (.evo files) have been decrypted, the structure is now changed.

[Omnius]

In 6.5, it is two separate options for DVD and HD-DVD, and HD-DVD never worked for me no matter what I tried (only tried decrypted files). In 7.2 Ultra only one option shows up, I forget the exact wording (at work at the moment), but I got the impression it was one option that would work for both DVD and HD-DVD. I was also never able to get it to work on a decrypted HD-DVD, I do not know about encrypted discs copied to the drive.

[DJN8B]

Originally Posted by guile

Judging by some other responses, I'm sure that is it. I just tried to install 7.2 Ultra but it reverted to Blu Ray ONLY. I will give it another shot and see what's up.

Try reinstalling PDVD 7.2 Ultra. Before you do, rename the PDVDBD folder to PDVDBD.old then rename PDVDHD folder to PDVDBD. This will force the HD-DVD installation instead of the default BluRay.

Btw, speaking of Powerdvd, is that the player most are using for their .evo files?...or is it Windvd??

There are only three that can be obtained so far:

PowerDVD 6.5 HD-DVD
PowerDVD 7.1 or 7.2 Ultra
WinDVD Platinum version 8 (Japan Release only)

[DJN8B]

Originally Posted by 2bigkings

7.2 works fine for me, but now i try the whole thing with 6.5 thanks. but i think i can't install 2 powerdvd versions or?
i tell you more later, perhaps it works..

You cannot have both PDVD's installed at once. Perhaps try installing to different partitions?

[guile]

Originally Posted by DJN8B

Try reinstalling PDVD 7.2 Ultra. Before you do, rename the PDVDBD folder to PDVDBD.old then rename PDVDHD folder to PDVDBD. This will force the HD-DVD installation instead of the default BluRay.

Thanks for that. I did move the PDVDBD folder to another location hoping it would just pick up the HD-DVD folder but no go. Your method worked like a charm.

[kolak]

"Try reinstalling PDVD 7.2 Ultra. Before you do, rename the PDVDBD folder to PDVDBD.old then rename PDVDHD folder to PDVDBD. This will force the HD-DVD installation instead of the default BluRay."

funny, because I found exactly the same way. I wanted post it, but it's already done.

Wit Powerdvd ULtra you can play HD DVD from disk, but with PowerDVD 6.5 not (if I remeber corectly).

[guile]

Originally Posted by kolak

"Try reinstalling PDVD 7.2 Ultra. Before you do, rename the PDVDBD folder to PDVDBD.old then rename PDVDHD folder to PDVDBD. This will force the HD-DVD installation instead of the default BluRay."

funny, because I found exactly the same way. I wanted post it, but it's already done.

Wit Powerdvd ULtra you can play HD DVD from disk, but with PowerDVD 6.5 not (if I remeber corectly).

Well, I guess it's back to 6.5 for me. After installing 7.2 Ultra, at first, it was playing .evo files (but zoomed in with horrible color) then it stopped and is saying my rig is NOT compatible. I don't have a hdcp TV. That is another reason I think backuphddvd is great!

[2themax]

There is a playback solution for movies with IME and U-Control. Run the movie through BackupHDDVD to your hard drive as normal. Once the movie is done decrypting, go to the folder where the .EVO files were decrypted. Create 2 new folders; ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. Copy the main movie, usually will have FEATURE or PEVOB in the name, into the HVDVD_TS folder. There may be more than one .EVO file to copy. Once that is done, go back to the original disc and browse to the HVDVD_TS folder. Copy over the corresponding .MAP files; i.e. if the .EVO file is FEATURE.EVO, copy over FEATURE.MAP, to the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. From the same directory, copy the .VTI file. It should look something like HVA00001.VTI. Place both MAP and .VTI files in the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. Now go back to the disc and browser to the ADV_OBJ folder. From that folder, copy the DISCID.DAT file and the VPLST000.XPL file to the ADJ_OBJ folder you just created on your hard drive. Once that is done, open the VPLST000.XPL in either an XML editor or plain-text editor. At the top, there may be some AACS info and null characters. They can be erased. There may also be some at the end of the file. In that file, focus on the info between the opening and closing TitleSet tags. The following parts can be customized. Since only the main movie was copied over to the HVDVD_TS folder, the rest of the information needs to be deleted. Start by deleting the FirstPlayTitle info. Next, find the main movie. If there are any Titles before it, delete them also. If doing this, make sure to change the titleNumber attribute of the main movie to 1. Now delete all titles after the main movie. There may be quite a few to delete. After all the titles, there is a section called PlaylistApplication. Delete that too. There should now only be one title left, the main movie. Within that title, there may be references to ApplicationSegment and ScheduledConrtolList. Delete either or both if they exist. What you are left with is the Playlist for the main movie. It contains the needed references to the main and sub video along with the main audio, sub audio, and subtitles. Since PowerDVD does not handle subtitles right, I choose to delete all references to them in the Playlist. To do so, remove references to them in the PrimaryAudioVideoClip and also in TrackNavigationList. I also removed the references to SubVideo and SubAudio to insure smooth playback. This may not be necessary though. Once all that is done, from PowerDVD, point to the folder containing the ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS folders on your hard drive and hit play. If everything was done right, you should be watching the movie. So far I have gotten King Kong and Batman Begins to play using this method. Give it a shot!

[jokin]

Nice work. I will try this when I get home.

[blizc]

If this works then we are another step closer. Pretty big step I'd say. Thanks for posting this.

Originally Posted by 2themax

There is a playback solution for movies with IME and U-Control. Run the movie through BackupHDDVD to your hard drive as normal. Once the movie is done decrypting, go to the folder where the .EVO files were decrypted. Create 2 new folders; ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. Copy the main movie, usually will have FEATURE or PEVOB in the name, into the HVDVD_TS folder. There may be more than one .EVO file to copy. Once that is done, go back to the original disc and browse to the HVDVD_TS folder. Copy over the corresponding .MAP files; i.e. if the .EVO file is FEATURE.EVO, copy over FEATURE.MAP, to the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. From the same directory, copy the .VTI file. It should look something like HVA00001.VTI. Place both MAP and .VTI files in the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. Now go back to the disc and browser to the ADV_OBJ folder. From that folder, copy the DISCID.DAT file and the VPLST000.XPL file to the ADJ_OBJ folder you just created on your hard drive. Once that is done, open the VPLST000.XPL in either an XML editor or plain-text editor. At the top, there may be some AACS info and null characters. They can be erased. There may also be some at the end of the file. In that file, focus on the info between the opening and closing TitleSet tags. The following parts can be customized. Since only the main movie was copied over to the HVDVD_TS folder, the rest of the information needs to be deleted. Start by deleting the FirstPlayTitle info. Next, find the main movie. If there are any Titles before it, delete them also. If doing this, make sure to change the titleNumber attribute of the main movie to 1. Now delete all titles after the main movie. There may be quite a few to delete. After all the titles, there is a section called PlaylistApplication. Delete that too. There should now only be one title left, the main movie. Within that title, there may be references to ApplicationSegment and ScheduledConrtolList. Delete either or both if they exist. What you are left with is the Playlist for the main movie. It contains the needed references to the main and sub video along with the main audio, sub audio, and subtitles. Since PowerDVD does not handle subtitles right, I choose to delete all references to them in the Playlist. To do so, remove references to them in the PrimaryAudioVideoClip and also in TrackNavigationList. I also removed the references to SubVideo and SubAudio to insure smooth playback. This may not be necessary though. Once all that is done, from PowerDVD, point to the folder containing the ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS folders on your hard drive and hit play. If everything was done right, you should be watching the movie. So far I have gotten King Kong and Batman Begins to play using this method. Give it a shot!

[2bigkings]

Originally Posted by 2themax

There is a playback solution for movies with IME and U-Control. Run the movie through BackupHDDVD to your hard drive as normal. Once the movie is done decrypting, go to the folder where the .EVO files were decrypted. Create 2 new folders; ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. Copy the main movie, usually will have FEATURE or PEVOB in the name, into the HVDVD_TS folder. There may be more than one .EVO file to copy. Once that is done, go back to the original disc and browse to the HVDVD_TS folder. Copy over the corresponding .MAP files; i.e. if the .EVO file is FEATURE.EVO, copy over FEATURE.MAP, to the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. From the same directory, copy the .VTI file. It should look something like HVA00001.VTI. Place both MAP and .VTI files in the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. Now go back to the disc and browser to the ADV_OBJ folder. From that folder, copy the DISCID.DAT file and the VPLST000.XPL file to the ADJ_OBJ folder you just created on your hard drive. Once that is done, open the VPLST000.XPL in either an XML editor or plain-text editor. At the top, there may be some AACS info and null characters. They can be erased. There may also be some at the end of the file. In that file, focus on the info between the opening and closing TitleSet tags. The following parts can be customized. Since only the main movie was copied over to the HVDVD_TS folder, the rest of the information needs to be deleted. Start by deleting the FirstPlayTitle info. Next, find the main movie. If there are any Titles before it, delete them also. If doing this, make sure to change the titleNumber attribute of the main movie to 1. Now delete all titles after the main movie. There may be quite a few to delete. After all the titles, there is a section called PlaylistApplication. Delete that too. There should now only be one title left, the main movie. Within that title, there may be references to ApplicationSegment and ScheduledConrtolList. Delete either or both if they exist. What you are left with is the Playlist for the main movie. It contains the needed references to the main and sub video along with the main audio, sub audio, and subtitles. Since PowerDVD does not handle subtitles right, I choose to delete all references to them in the Playlist. To do so, remove references to them in the PrimaryAudioVideoClip and also in TrackNavigationList. I also removed the references to SubVideo and SubAudio to insure smooth playback. This may not be necessary though. Once all that is done, from PowerDVD, point to the folder containing the ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS folders on your hard drive and hit play. If everything was done right, you should be watching the movie. So far I have gotten King Kong and Batman Begins to play using this method. Give it a shot!

i will try this later, perhaps it works!

[guile]

Originally Posted by 2themax

There is a playback solution for movies with IME and U-Control. Run the movie through BackupHDDVD to your hard drive as normal. Once the movie is done decrypting, go to the folder where the .EVO files were decrypted. Create 2 new folders; ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. Copy the main movie, usually will have FEATURE or PEVOB in the name, into the HVDVD_TS folder. There may be more than one .EVO file to copy. Once that is done, go back to the original disc and browse to the HVDVD_TS folder. Copy over the corresponding .MAP files; i.e. if the .EVO file is FEATURE.EVO, copy over FEATURE.MAP, to the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. From the same directory, copy the .VTI file. It should look something like HVA00001.VTI. Place both MAP and .VTI files in the HVDVD_TS folder on your hard drive. Now go back to the disc and browser to the ADV_OBJ folder. From that folder, copy the DISCID.DAT file and the VPLST000.XPL file to the ADJ_OBJ folder you just created on your hard drive. Once that is done, open the VPLST000.XPL in either an XML editor or plain-text editor. At the top, there may be some AACS info and null characters. They can be erased. There may also be some at the end of the file. In that file, focus on the info between the opening and closing TitleSet tags. The following parts can be customized. Since only the main movie was copied over to the HVDVD_TS folder, the rest of the information needs to be deleted. Start by deleting the FirstPlayTitle info. Next, find the main movie. If there are any Titles before it, delete them also. If doing this, make sure to change the titleNumber attribute of the main movie to 1. Now delete all titles after the main movie. There may be quite a few to delete. After all the titles, there is a section called PlaylistApplication. Delete that too. There should now only be one title left, the main movie. Within that title, there may be references to ApplicationSegment and ScheduledConrtolList. Delete either or both if they exist. What you are left with is the Playlist for the main movie. It contains the needed references to the main and sub video along with the main audio, sub audio, and subtitles. Since PowerDVD does not handle subtitles right, I choose to delete all references to them in the Playlist. To do so, remove references to them in the PrimaryAudioVideoClip and also in TrackNavigationList. I also removed the references to SubVideo and SubAudio to insure smooth playback. This may not be necessary though. Once all that is done, from PowerDVD, point to the folder containing the ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS folders on your hard drive and hit play. If everything was done right, you should be watching the movie. So far I have gotten King Kong and Batman Begins to play using this method. Give it a shot!

You rock!!! Works great. I really think you found a big peice to the puzzle here. First, this is the ONLY title that I was able to scan through from beginning to end! Obviously, when you play it this way (rather then single .evo files) you are probably going to get the best playback the player can afford. This actually may solve more problems then just ime or u-control because I am thinking this is (at least for now, until muliplexer) will allow seemless playback of designated .evo's. I will do this with other titles I have had issues with and see what happens but I think this is a big step forward and I thank you for this.

Thanks Batman Begins is one of my favorites of the last few years.

[bass4040]

I get a format not supported message. Can someone post what the xpl file should look like after all the deletions?

[2themax]

This method will also work with any disc you have backed up. I did so with Hulk and playback was fine.

Here's what my version of the Batman Begins XPL file looks like.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<Playlist xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.dvdforum.org/2005/HDDVDVideo/Playlist file:/F:/Program%20Files/Oxygen%207.0/current_schemas/Playlist.xsd"
xmlns="http://www.dvdforum.org/2005/HDDVDVideo/Playlist"
displayName="Batman Begins HD DVD"
minorVersion="0"
majorVersion="1">

  <Configuration>
    <StreamingBuffer size="0"/>
    <Aperture size="1920x1080"/>
    <MainVideoDefaultColor color="108080"/>
  </Configuration>

  <MediaAttributeList>
    <VideoAttributeItem codec="VC-1" index="1"/>
    <VideoAttributeItem codec="MPEG-2" index="2"/>
    <AudioAttributeItem codec="DD+" index="1" channels="6"/>
    <AudioAttributeItem codec="MLP" index="2" channels="6"/>
    <AudioAttributeItem codec="DD+" index="3" channels="2"/>
    <SubpictureAttributeItem codec="8bitRLC" index="1"/>
  </MediaAttributeList>

  <TitleSet tickBase="60fps" timeBase="60fps" defaultLanguage="en">

    
    <Title displayName="Feature Presentation" id="feature" titleNumber="1" titleDuration="02:20:17:39" tickBaseDivisor="4" onEnd="feature">
      <PrimaryAudioVideoClip titleTimeBegin="00:00:00:00" titleTimeEnd="01:19:45:30" src="file:///dvddisc/HVDVD_TS/PEVOB_1.MAP" dataSource="Disc">
        <Video mediaAttr="1" track="1"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="1" description="English 5.1" streamNumber="1"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="2" track="2" description="English MLP" streamNumber="2"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="3" description="French 5.1" streamNumber="3"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="4" description="Spanish 5.1" streamNumber="4"/>
      </PrimaryAudioVideoClip>
      <PrimaryAudioVideoClip titleTimeBegin="01:19:45:30" titleTimeEnd="02:19:54:25" src="file:///dvddisc/HVDVD_TS/PEVOB_2.MAP" seamless="true" dataSource="Disc">
        <Video mediaAttr="1" track="1"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="1" description="English 5.1" streamNumber="1"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="2" track="2" description="English MLP" streamNumber="2"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="3" description="French 5.1" streamNumber="3"/>
        <Audio mediaAttr="1" track="4" description="Spanish 5.1" streamNumber="4"/>
      </PrimaryAudioVideoClip>
      <PrimaryAudioVideoClip titleTimeBegin="02:19:54:25" titleTimeEnd="02:20:17:39" src="file:///dvddisc/HVDVD_TS/Interpol.MAP" dataSource="Disc" description="Interpol Warning">
        <Video track="1" mediaAttr="1"/>
      </PrimaryAudioVideoClip>
      <ChapterList>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 1" titleTimeBegin="00:00:00:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 2" titleTimeBegin="00:03:39:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 3" titleTimeBegin="00:07:30:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 4" titleTimeBegin="00:11:33:20"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 5" titleTimeBegin="00:16:14:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 6" titleTimeBegin="00:19:43:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 7" titleTimeBegin="00:24:17:50"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 8" titleTimeBegin="00:28:23:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 9" titleTimeBegin="00:31:23:30"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 10" titleTimeBegin="00:35:51:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 11" titleTimeBegin="00:38:22:20"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 12" titleTimeBegin="00:41:12:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 13" titleTimeBegin="00:43:05:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 14" titleTimeBegin="00:46:55:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 15" titleTimeBegin="00:49:41:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 16" titleTimeBegin="00:53:23:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 17" titleTimeBegin="00:55:51:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 18" titleTimeBegin="00:57:58:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 19" titleTimeBegin="01:03:28:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 20" titleTimeBegin="01:05:49:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 21" titleTimeBegin="01:08:34:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 22" titleTimeBegin="01:11:21:30"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 23" titleTimeBegin="01:13:15:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 24" titleTimeBegin="01:16:11:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 25" titleTimeBegin="01:19:45:30"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 26" titleTimeBegin="01:23:49:20"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 27" titleTimeBegin="01:28:57:20"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 28" titleTimeBegin="01:32:31:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 29" titleTimeBegin="01:37:43:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 30" titleTimeBegin="01:40:27:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 31" titleTimeBegin="01:45:02:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 32" titleTimeBegin="01:49:25:30"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 33" titleTimeBegin="01:51:22:30"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 34" titleTimeBegin="01:54:42:10"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 35" titleTimeBegin="01:58:04:00"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 36" titleTimeBegin="02:01:47:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 37" titleTimeBegin="02:04:53:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 38" titleTimeBegin="02:05:59:20"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 39" titleTimeBegin="02:09:10:40"/>
        <Chapter displayName="Chapter 40" titleTimeBegin="02:10:49:10"/>
      </ChapterList>
      <TrackNavigationList>
        <AudioTrack track="1" langcode="en:01"/>
        <AudioTrack track="2" langcode="en:01"/>
        <AudioTrack track="3" langcode="fr:01"/>
        <AudioTrack track="4" langcode="es:01"/>
      </TrackNavigationList>
    </Title>

  </TitleSet>

</Playlist>

[2themax]

In the code I just posted, remove

<PrimaryAudioVideoClip titleTimeBegin="02:19:54:25" titleTimeEnd="02:20:17:39" src="file:///dvddisc/HVDVD_TS/Interpol.MAP" dataSource="Disc" description="Interpol Warning">
<Video track="1" mediaAttr="1"/>
</PrimaryAudioVideoClip>

Otherwise you will have issues at the end of the movie.

[Eeknay]

I just tested with V For Vendetta and it worked. Thanks.

[Metro]

Worked for me with King Kong (US). That's really great work, 2themax, thanks!

Incidentally it works fine if you leave all the rest of the HVDVD_TS and ADV_OBJ files in their directories on the harddrive, they just get ignored, but if you've copied the AACS directories over, it seems to break PowerDVD 7.2 - I've been unsuccessfully messing with the XML for several days now.

In a broader sense having editable XML is a big step forward - for the format, as well as for playing IME/UControl. Once we understand the structure it should be possible to customize the discs in any way we want. It will be good to strip those pesky FBI warnings and enforced trailers while preserving the good bits. Some script wizards should be able to write automation for this, and it's easier to understand than some of the cryptic navigation stuff in conventional DVD.

A functional breakdown of 2thmax's modified XML template looks like this:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>
<Playlist (Some stuff)
	<Configuration>
		(Some stuff)
	</Configuration>
	<MediaAttributeList>
		(Some stuff)
	</MediaAttributeList>

	<TitleSet timebase... (Some stuff)

		<Title titleNumber="1" ...(Some stuff)
			<PrimaryAudioVideoClip>
				(Some stuff)
			</PrimaryAudioVideoClip>
			<PrimaryAudioVideoClip> .... If there's more than one feature EVO
				(Some stuff)
			</PrimaryAudioVideoClip>	
			<ChapterList>
				(Some stuff)
			</ChapterList>
			<TrackNavigationList>
				(Some stuff)
			</TrackNavigationList>
		</Title>
	</Titleset>
</Playlist>

- and that's all we need for the main feature. Great work!