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Old 10th January 2007, 01:59   #21  |  Link
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Susana, no; i get the following error when trying to create an ISO from my DVD9 folder:
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PgcEdit: Burn DL DVD
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Can't find a suitable cell for the layer break!

Try to change the order of the titlesets with DVD -> Remap Titlesets, or remove some
unnecessary material.

Note for expert users:
Given the minimal ISO file size (4106770 sectors) and the capacity of your DL DVD+R,
the LB must be between absolute sectors 2020928 and 2085856 in the ISO.
The absolute starting sector of the VOB files of the Title domain of VTS 2 is 1382524.
The LB cell must begin between relative sectors 638404 and 703332 in that domain.
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OK
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Any ideas?
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Old 10th January 2007, 03:21   #22  |  Link
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The message means that you have to split the main movie in VTS 2 between sectors 638404 and 703332. Normally PgcEdit gives you another info: the title and cell numbers that must be cut. Are you sure you are using the latest version?

Anyway, you can use VobBlanker to split your main movie at the right position. Here is how:

Load the DVD and select the line beginning with VTS_02_*.VOB. Then, double-click on the line in the lower pane. (If there are several lines in the lower pane, that's a little bit more complex. Post here again if it's the case.)

Now, you should see the cells window.
If there is only one cell in that window, it's easy: click on it.
If there are several cells, you have to locate the cell you need to cut. One sector is 2KB long, and VobBlanker gives you the length of the cells (in MB.) It should be easy, with a calculator, to find the right cell. Select it. (Or see the note below.)

Now, click on the "Split" button. Use the slider (in the upper left part of the window) and move it somewhere between LBAs 638404 and 703332 (if there is only one cell) or between those LBAs minus the length (in sectors) of the preceding cells.

Try to find a good point where you will not notice the little pause, but still in the valid range. Press Mark, untick Add Program and Chapter (unless you want to create a new chapter at that point) then OK your way to the main window, and process the domain. That's all.


Note: If you think it's too difficult to compute the starting sectors of the cells yourself, you can also note the starting VOBU of the cells with the PGC Editor of PgcEdit:
Double-click on the main title of VTS2 (a line beginning with VTST 2). The cell to split must have an Entry VOBU Sector less than 638404 and a Last VOBU Start greater than 703332. Remember the Entry VOBU Sector value. In VobBlanker, select the same cell, and split it between 638404-entry VOBU and 703332-entry VOBU.
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BTW, there is also something else you can try. Since your main movie is in VTS 2, that means that you have also a VTS 1 (and perhaps also VTS 3 etc...)
You can try to modify the order of the VTSs. With some luck, that might be sufficiewnt to have a cell starting at the right position. However, if VTS 1 (and 3, 4...) are very short (for example if you have blanked them) it's probably useless.
To reorganize the VTSs, use PgcEdit -> DVD -> Remap Titlesets.
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Old 10th January 2007, 11:54   #24  |  Link
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Could be interesting to show the absolute starting sector in Cell list?
EDIT: And in preview too, I think...
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Old 10th January 2007, 14:16   #25  |  Link
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Yes, in cases like this one, it's undoubtly an useful information!
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hi, i'm using 2.1.2.0 final, i accidentally clicked on default settings, and it was saved automatically, so i had to redo the whole thing.
could it be like, it just sets everything to default, but the user have to save if he likes it that way, so no 'accidents' can happen?
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also, i have a question concerning smart gaps
in each vts vob files always get between ifo's and bup's, no matter if they are title or menu vobs, is that correct?
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another thing, i create the image file with shrink, and it says the 70 kB smart gap for the title menus (shown as unreferenced material) is only 10 kB. VIDEO_TS.VOB is 70 kB, i checked it, so why shrink's wrong?
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also, i have a question concerning smart gaps
in each vts vob files always get between ifo's and bup's, no matter if they are title or menu vobs, is that correct?
Yes, that's right.
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another thing, i create the image file with shrink, and it says the 70 kB smart gap for the title menus (shown as unreferenced material) is only 10 kB. VIDEO_TS.VOB is 70 kB, i checked it, so why shrink's wrong?
Probably because you have also some material that is referenced. VB adds only what is necessary for the smart gap.
Or, maybe Shring keeps only the real cell, and not the stuffing packs, which are disgarded anyway. (IIRC, VB creates a 10KB cell and fills the remaining sectors with stuffing packs.)
Anyway, do not use shrink after VB, or the smart gaps will be lost.
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yep, smart gaps got lost. thanks anyway.
what do you use for iso file creation? or is it ok to burn files directly with nero?
sorry for being off-topic
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Do NOT use Nero to burn double-layer DVDs, espacially on DVD-Rs!

ImgBurn is far superior, free, and has a very good GUI to select the layer break position. It is also very good to burn single layer DVDs. I use it always, and haven't burned a coster yet!

Anyway, dual-layer DVD-Rs should be avoided, as the -R technology is very... let's say, "special". Use only good quality DL DVD+Rs.
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hi, i'm using 2.1.2.0 final, i accidentally clicked on default settings, and it was saved automatically, so i had to redo the whole thing.
could it be like, it just sets everything to default, but the user have to save if he likes it that way, so no 'accidents' can happen?
thanks
I suposse you're talking about main menu. OK, I'll ask for confirmation.
In the more settings dialog you have to confirm with "Apply", so no "accidents" should happen.

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yep, smart gaps got lost. thanks
Remember you can re-create the gap sectors w/o running a VobBlanker session. Just open the DVD (before burning or creating the ISO image) it and, using main menu, do "Adjust sectors-> In input folder"

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Yes, in cases like this one, it's undoubtly an useful information!
I've added the absolute sector only in the preview dialog. Adding it in Cells list makes the list larger and with too many columns.. But you can open the preview dialog in a particular cell to locate its absolute sector.

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Perfect!
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thank you, and... thanks again
btw, can you name a nice iso creation tool? so far i've used Shrink for iso creation & ImgBurn for burning, but it seems i have to retire Shrink in the final phase if i want smart gaps
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i can't wait to try multiple split, it was the top of my wish list. the gui looks great, but nothing at hand right now that needs that kind of treatment. anyway, i'll report as soon as i try it.
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r0lZ, thank you VERY much for your detailed tutorial on post #22 of this thread.
I am indeed using the latest PgcEdit version, taken off your page.
Since there was only 1 Cell line in the Cell Window, it was extremely easy.
I splitted somewhere around LBA 650000 and am burning right now with IMGBurn, which now has auto-detected the layer break properly.
I will amend this post in about 20 minutes hopefully with a success report!
Thanks again very much for your help!
About reorganizing the VTS in PgcEdit, i dropped the idea because all my VTS (i had 3 of them) were sensibly the same sizes.
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Thanks for the feedback.

Note that you might try to reorganize the VTS anyway, as even if they are the same size, there might be more or less cells inside ecah VTS, and they are probably not the same size. But, of course, if all VTS are made of only one big cell, the trick cannot work.
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