VobBlanker 2.1.2.0 beta (now beta 13) - Page 5

jsoto · 23rd November 2006, 23:08

I've done some tests again and my conclusion is:
If there is a menu file, shrink needs a VTSM_PGCI_UT table.
The table can be completely empty (even w/o PGCs), but the pointer to the table (offset 0xd0 in a VTS IFO) cannot be zero

Mmm... I'm not so sure this table is optional... may be your IFOs are not fully according the standard...

jsoto

blutach · 23rd November 2006, 23:44

I've done some and this is a solution:

Make it completely unreferenced. Zero out 0xc0, d8 and dc of VMGM/VTSI_MAT. It loads fine then (IFO sizes need altering, but maybe easiest is to just never put these tables in to begin with - just use the VOBs as "filler").

In fact, it loads fine wqith just 0xd8 and dc zeroed out.

Regards

jsoto · 24th November 2006, 00:08

But Nero complains... (curious, pgcEdit doesn't complain, seems, because the VTSM_C_ADT is empty, menu VOB is not scaned)

Try VobBlanker_2120b8_exe.zip

It creates the table (with "0" LUs ) but it should work

jsoto

Robotik · 24th November 2006, 02:23

hi,

sorry to bother you with requests, when you are busy with debugging, but is it possible to have sound in cut / split preview? it would help a lot with finding the best position to cut / split.
even if it is too messy to add something like a button / menu to choose from the available streams, just enabling the first available sound would be better than none

thanks in advance and best regards,
robotik

Sir Didymus · 24th November 2006, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsoto

I've done some tests again and my conclusion is:
If there is a menu file, shrink needs a VTSM_PGCI_UT table.
The table can be completely empty (even w/o PGCs), but the pointer to the table (offset 0xd0 in a VTS IFO) cannot be zero

Mmm... I'm not so sure this table is optional... may be your IFOs are not fully according the standard...

jsoto

According to the Philips Verifier (if you thrust on what it reports...

), if the VOB menu is present also the VTSM_PGCI_UT table should exist... In case it is missed the reported error is:

>>> [DVD] ERROR 4214 (ref. DVD-3 4.2.1 / BP 200):
ERR_DVD_VTS_NO_VTSM_PGCI_UT
When Menu-VOBS exist, VTSM_PGCI_UT should exist as well.
(VTSM_PGCI_UT_SA>0).

Beta 8 fixes it...
Taking the opportunity to thank you for your work on VobBlanker (in general) and on release 2120 specially...

blutach · 24th November 2006, 12:33

I confirm Beta 8 made a VIDEO_TS.VOB (72kb unreferenced), which loaded into DVD Shrink and DVDRMP without issue.

Have not calculated whether 72k is "correct" but we can discuss your algorithm later.

Thank you jsoto!

Regards

Sir Didymus · 24th November 2006, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by blutach

...Have not calculated whether 72k is "correct" but we can discuss your algorithm later...

It will be a pleasure...

In the meanwhile... I have some nice argument in favour of the algorithm... One is the following: as you can see playing a little bit with the xls sheet, it starts from 24 mm. (of radial distance from the center of the DVD) accumulating MB, in a "blind" manner around the disc, with the single constraint that the tracks are spaced by 0,74 micrometers. If you enter in the table the value of 4482MB, which is the max size for a DVD-5, you obtain that after 11 kilometers and 834 meters of travel, you arrive exactely (well, almost exactely...) at the radius of 58 mm., which is the limit of the data area for DVDs...

blutach · 24th November 2006, 14:18

@SD - Maybe I am blind and have had more than one glass too many but please direct me to the "XL Sheet".

And I agreee - the data area is from 48-116 diameter - that is the spec.

With thanks.

EDIT: Finally found it on page 1, not to worry. Confirms drinking habits of downunder DVD'ers.

Regards

jsoto · 24th November 2006, 20:02

@blutach
This is the algo:
If VIDEO_TS.IFO final size is 16 KB after the processing...
The optimum size of the gap is 29KB -16KB = 13KB, so the starting point of both files (IFO & BUP) will be separated by 29KB (1/2 turn), but adding one turn to be larger than 32 KB
13KB+59KB= 72KB.

@Robotik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotik

but is it possible to have sound in cut / split preview? it would help a lot with finding the best position to cut / split.

It is really difficult... jeanl is the developer of DVDpreview. To have sound in DVDPreview is a nice feature, but really difficult

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotik

even if it is too messy to add something like a button / menu to choose from the available streams, just enabling the first available sound would be better than none

I'm sure the track selection is not the problem...

jsoto

r0lZ · 25th November 2006, 07:55

Jsoto, I have a little suggestion.
In your Cut, Split and Still functions, can you add a button to return to the start, end or cut point automatically, and update the preview? That will be useful to quickly verify the cut points before launching the process.

Also, as most of the time the Cut cell feature is used to create a new chapter, i think you should enable the Create New Program and Chapter options by default.

blutach · 25th November 2006, 08:19

@r0lZ - a lot of the time people cut the credits or the crap from the start by working in the single cell without making a new program/chapter.

Regards

r0lZ · 25th November 2006, 08:32

Right, but I refer to the Split cell feature. If you cut a cell, it's probably to add another chapter, no?

BTW, I have yet another suggestion. When cleaning a DVD recoreded by a standalone recorder, you often need to remove the ads in the movie. That's easy with VobBlanker, but if you want also to add chapters, you need to do it in another pass. Since the ads are often placed at a natural place for a chapter, it will be good if the user can do both operations at the same time: cut the add, and create a new cell (+optionally a program and chapter) at that position.

jsoto · 25th November 2006, 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0lZ

Jsoto, I have a little suggestion.
In your Cut, Split and Still functions, can you add a button to return to the start, end or cut point automatically, and update the preview? That will be useful to quickly verify the cut points before launching the process.

I'll take a look

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0lZ

Also, as most of the time the Cut cell feature is used to create a new chapter, i think you should enable the Create New Program and Chapter options by default.

Cut feature has four modes:
a) Cut from the start to a selected point
b) Cut from a selected point until the end
c) Cut between two selected points
d) Keep between two selected points. (Mix of a & b simultaneously)
IMHO, in modes a) b) and d) you do not need an additional chapter/program, but in mode c), may be...
In fact, mode c) is the most dirty cut. I'm fixing the elapsed time in the cell, but, currently I'm not fixing PTSs and SCR (I can't because next cell can be seamless joined), so the cut has a discontinuity in SCR and PTS. What I should do at least is to create a new cell and mark in the PGC a non-seamless join. Other possibility is to fix SCR and PTS in the whole VOB, but seems risky.
I'll think on it a little bit more..
jsoto

jsoto · 25th November 2006, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0lZ

Right, but I refer to the Split cell feature. If you cut a cell, it's probably to add another chapter, no?

Ah!. You're asking for a simple default...I think you're right, I'll change the default.

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0lZ

BTW, I have yet another suggestion. When cleaning a DVD recoreded by a standalone recorder, you often need to remove the ads in the movie. That's easy with VobBlanker, but if you want also to add chapters, you need to do it in another pass. Since the ads are often placed at a natural place for a chapter, it will be good if the user can do both operations at the same time: cut the add, and create a new cell (+optionally a program and chapter) at that position.

Already answered in my previous post
jsoto

r0lZ · 25th November 2006, 10:01

Thanks.

And yes, I was talking of cut mode "C".

CoNS · 25th November 2006, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsoto

jeanl is the developer of DVDpreview. To have sound in DVDPreview is a nice feature, but really difficult

There's support for Ac3 decoding is in the DVD2AVI preview code already, but it's not hooked up when playing.

Dark Avenger has succeeded in hooking up this feature in the DVD2AVI code, which is used for his freeware MPEG2Cut tool. It's available at the website http://mitglied.lycos.de/darkav/ in the "Download" section. Source code is there, too.

It would be really cool to have sound in the preview in PgcEdit, VobBlanker and DVDSubEdit, which are all based on jeanl's modification of the DVD2AVI preview.

Robotik · 25th November 2006, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsoto

It is really difficult... jeanl is the developer of DVDpreview. To have sound in DVDPreview is a nice feature, but really difficult
I'm sure the track selection is not the problem...

thanks for the reply, i didn't know i was asking something difficult... anyway keep up the good job, VobBlanker is a masterpiece!

dirio49 · 26th November 2006, 19:17

jsoto

with latest beta the preview does not work.
at least for me.
i did not do the bov scan.

pgcedit can preview the movie just fine.

blutach · 26th November 2006, 21:46

I confirm this bug.

Regards

jsoto · 27th November 2006, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirio49

jsoto
with latest beta the preview does not work.
at least for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blutach

I confirm this bug.

Which one?
Tiny preview?
Normal preview dialog?
Displaying Menus?
Displaying Titles?
Is "Do not use Overlay" checked or not?

All of them work for me...

jsoto

23rd November 2006, 23:08	#81 \| Link
jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	I've done some tests again and my conclusion is: If there is a menu file, shrink needs a VTSM_PGCI_UT table. The table can be completely empty (even w/o PGCs), but the pointer to the table (offset 0xd0 in a VTS IFO) cannot be zero Mmm... I'm not so sure this table is optional... may be your IFOs are not fully according the standard... jsoto __________________ Web sites with my tools http://download.videohelp.com/jsoto http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	I've done some and this is a solution: Make it completely unreferenced. Zero out 0xc0, d8 and dc of VMGM/VTSI_MAT. It loads fine then (IFO sizes need altering, but maybe easiest is to just never put these tables in to begin with - just use the VOBs as "filler"). In fact, it loads fine wqith just 0xd8 and dc zeroed out. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Last edited by blutach; 23rd November 2006 at 23:49.

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jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	But Nero complains... (curious, pgcEdit doesn't complain, seems, because the VTSM_C_ADT is empty, menu VOB is not scaned) Try VobBlanker_2120b8_exe.zip It creates the table (with "0" LUs ) but it should work jsoto __________________ Web sites with my tools http://download.videohelp.com/jsoto http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/

24th November 2006, 12:33	#86 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	I confirm Beta 8 made a VIDEO_TS.VOB (72kb unreferenced), which loaded into DVD Shrink and DVDRMP without issue. Have not calculated whether 72k is "correct" but we can discuss your algorithm later. Thank you jsoto! Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	@SD - Maybe I am blind and have had more than one glass too many but please direct me to the "XL Sheet". And I agreee - the data area is from 48-116 diameter - that is the spec. With thanks. EDIT: Finally found it on page 1, not to worry. Confirms drinking habits of downunder DVD'ers. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Last edited by blutach; 24th November 2006 at 14:22.

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Robotik da kid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 141	hi, sorry to bother you with requests, when you are busy with debugging, but is it possible to have sound in cut / split preview? it would help a lot with finding the best position to cut / split. even if it is too messy to add something like a button / menu to choose from the available streams, just enabling the first available sound would be better than none thanks in advance and best regards, robotik

25th November 2006, 07:55	#90 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,390	Jsoto, I have a little suggestion. In your Cut, Split and Still functions, can you add a button to return to the start, end or cut point automatically, and update the preview? That will be useful to quickly verify the cut points before launching the process. Also, as most of the time the Cut cell feature is used to create a new chapter, i think you should enable the Create New Program and Chapter options by default. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

25th November 2006, 08:19	#91 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	@r0lZ - a lot of the time people cut the credits or the crap from the start by working in the single cell without making a new program/chapter. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

25th November 2006, 08:32	#92 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,390	Right, but I refer to the Split cell feature. If you cut a cell, it's probably to add another chapter, no? BTW, I have yet another suggestion. When cleaning a DVD recoreded by a standalone recorder, you often need to remove the ads in the movie. That's easy with VobBlanker, but if you want also to add chapters, you need to do it in another pass. Since the ads are often placed at a natural place for a chapter, it will be good if the user can do both operations at the same time: cut the add, and create a new cell (+optionally a program and chapter) at that position. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

25th November 2006, 10:01	#95 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,390	Thanks. And yes, I was talking of cut mode "C". __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

26th November 2006, 19:17	#98 \| Link
dirio49 JuSt a PoWer uSEr Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: None of your Business Posts: 288	jsoto with latest beta the preview does not work. at least for me. i did not do the bov scan. pgcedit can preview the movie just fine. __________________ Birthdays are good. Statistics show that the people who have the most live the longest.

26th November 2006, 21:46	#99 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	I confirm this bug. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.