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Old 14th July 2006, 16:37   #1  |  Link
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VST plug-ins 5.1 0 6.1 Plogue Bidule

VST plug-ins 5.1 0 6.1

Hello. I am new in the forum, a greeting to all.

I am seeking plug-ins VST surround, of estereo to 5.1 or 6.1, for DVD-VIDEO, that function well in Plogue Bidule. At present, work with the plug-ins, Suite VI.I 6.1 (for musica) and SRS Circle Surround II
(for audio of video). Know you some plug-ins to part of them mentioned?

The Encoder that use is the DTS PRO SERIES.

Forgive, if I write something badly in English, but is that, I am of Spanish, and I am learning English.

Thanks you very much
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Old 15th July 2006, 13:37   #2  |  Link
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Hi,

Try this plugin:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=85446&page=1

perhaps it helps.

Anyway, wellcome ("bienvenido").

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Old 15th July 2006, 19:56   #3  |  Link
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WizzoVerb W5

Thanks by the informacion, but, is that, I seek other VST plug-ins, to part of the and of the circle Surround II (that are very well, above all the Suite V.I). I want to learn but, about creating multichannel audio, with new plug-ins inside Plogue Bidule. I have seen the WizooVerb W5, and seems to be, that this very well at first sight, but its price not this so well... je je.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...rbW5-main.html

Greetings : -)
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Old 15th July 2006, 21:21   #4  |  Link
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Another VST, Cycling Upmix Surround 5.1

Trial
http://www.cycling74.com/downloads/upmix

Plogue does not have just accepted it
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If you're looking for methods to generate 5.1 audio from Plogue, one great source is dtsac3.com.
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Old 15th July 2006, 23:18   #6  |  Link
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Thanks you Ursamtl
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Does anyone know if there is a V.I VST plugin for mono-to-stereo or mono-to-surround?
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I use maxim digital audio VST stereo plugin to simulate stereo from a mono source. Look in :

http://www.mda-vst.com/

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I assume you're referring to "Stereo Simulator - Haas delay and comb filtering". Have you tried "Classic Reverb"? If so, how do you feel they compare?
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I use freeverb to simulate reverberation. I don't know "Clasic reverb".

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A thread devoted to stereo to surround conversion. Also links to upmix, a tool to automate stereo to 5.1 conversion (v0.71)


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83752
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Thanks to all.

It was thinking that the Suite V.I 5.1, brings with himself the,
5.1 Output (when is executed the Layout V. I-VST in Plogue Bidule).
My question is the following one: It exists algun 6.1 Output? to do the
conversion with the Suite VI.I 6.1?

The Suite VI.I 6.1 is that of the image.

Thanks you :-)
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Old 22nd July 2006, 12:28   #12  |  Link
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[QUOTE=Elektra999]Thanks to all.

It was thinking that the Suite V.I 5.1, brings with himself the,
5.1 Output (when is executed the Layout V. I-VST in Plogue Bidule).
My question is the following one: It exists algun 6.1 Output? to do the
conversion with the Suite VI.I 6.1?

The Suite VI.I 6.1 is that of the image.

Thanks you :-)
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Old 27th July 2006, 23:37   #13  |  Link
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[QUOTE=Elektra999]
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Thanks to all.

It was thinking that the Suite V.I 5.1, brings with himself the,
5.1 Output (when is executed the Layout V. I-VST in Plogue Bidule).
My question is the following one: It exists algun 6.1 Output? to do the
conversion with the Suite VI.I 6.1?

The Suite VI.I 6.1 is that of the image.

Thanks you :-)
That bidule layout you show appears to have 6 channel (5.1) output.
If you want 7 channel (6.1) output from a VST, I don't know of any, though there well could be.
I already gave you a source for bidules for stereo - 6 channel conversion.
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[QUOTE=Elektra999]
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Thanks to all.

It was thinking that the Suite V.I 5.1, brings with himself the,
5.1 Output (when is executed the Layout V. I-VST in Plogue Bidule).
My question is the following one: It exists algun 6.1 Output? to do the
conversion with the Suite VI.I 6.1?

The Suite VI.I 6.1 is that of the image.

Thanks you :-)
Hi Elektra. If I understand correctly, you're looking for a 6.1 version of the 5.1 Output group I distributed with the V.I Suite, right? If so, send me a private message with your email and I'd be happy to put one together for you. I did a version of V.I with 6.1 output called VI.I, but there was very little interest in it so I didn't bother releasing it as part of the last couple of official V.I releases. Perhaps I could include it in my next release.

Regards,
Steve.

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Ursamtl, already the layout of the VI.I functions


Thanks for all

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Ursamtl, already the layout of the VI.I functions


Thanks for all
Great! I'm glad to hear you got it working for you. Be sure to let us know how your conversions turn out.

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Old 8th August 2006, 19:43   #17  |  Link
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Hello.
I' am going to codify an audio, to 24bits/48000hz in 6.1, with the Suite VI.I and the Encoder DTS PRO Series.

01. The audio WAV Stereo, worked with Sony Forge 8, past the DC Offset and 32bits float.
02. Movie ON
03. LFE OFF




WAV 7_0 - FL
WAV 7_1 - FR
WAV 7_2 - CENTER
WAV 7_3 - LFE
WAV 7_4 - SL
WAV 7_5 - SR
WAV 7_6 - CS
WAV 7_7 It is ELIMINATE

02. The DTS PRO SERIES can codify in the following way



I will codify a DTS ES 6.1 to 24bits 48000hz

It is executed, DTS Packer and this image appears



I select: LS CS RS 6.1 IS. The channel CS is a discreet channel

96000...hz It can be selected but this is not the case



Directory, will be the folder where will keep our file DTS.
File name, a name
Label, a name

I press, Pack and Encode and to expect.



Automatically this window will be opened

Pro Encoder



DTS WAV, for: DVD-AUDIO or CD-AUDIO
DTS PADDED, for: DVD-VIDEO (DVD Lab Pro, bears the DTS PADDED 6.1 to 24bits 48000hz)
Dialog Normalisation, it abandonment to -31
Bit Rate, for 1509750

I press, Encode and to expect




Once it finishes, can close, and I will have the File DTS WAV 6.1!!!!
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The quality of the VST Suite V.I or VI.I, is a fantastic sound, preserve all its quality of the audio original source stereo. I think, that is not that so alone conserve the original audio, if not, that the improvement!!.
Besides, the Suite V.I and VI.I, has a very good factor, and the fact is that conserves the Dynamical range of the audio source (and for my that to it improves). Other VST plug-ins, they kill the Dynamical range, and if they kill the Dynamical range, they murder the sound.

Steve permit me to tell him, that are you a genius Ursamtl, al to create similar plug-in for the music, I have not listened
another plug-in with so much quality and so much dynamic as the Suite V.I or VI.I. This plug-in him d, naturalness al
sound, dynamic, clarity al dialog. ..Creating an environment very pleasant for the ears.

My intention, is to put me with the conversions of nobody, but if to say, that when many plug-ins is utilized, for, to maximize the
audio, is finished killing the audio original source. I believe that, if, we have a good recording stereo PCM WAV with so alone to
use the Suite V.I or VI.I in Plogue, is sufficient.

I have given me account, that using the VST BBE Sonic Maximizer, in an audio source stereo, and after conversed in Plogue with the V.I, themselves not the frequencies are extracted very well, or better said, the mixtures of the channels, not because?

And another point that I want to comment him Steve, Suite V.I and VI.I.I, for the music, seems me fantastic, but for
audio of movie, is very very good, but leaves the VI.I or V.I some voices by the rear channels (SL, SR, CS), and is
done me somewhat rare to listen the voices by the rear loudspeakers of my home cinema, some voices happinesses to
eliminate way exists?

Thanks Steve :-)

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Thanks very much for the kind words and positive feedback Elektra. I am glad you are enjoying V.I/VI.I. I appreciate what you have observed about the natural sound and preserving the dynamic range of the source. This is important to me because I feel that 5.1 or 6.1 versions should sound as if you were listening to the same performance as the stereo recording but just with added dimensions. It is as if you were listening to something through a doorway and then suddenly walk into the room.

As for the BBE plugin you mentioned, I've tried such "enhancers" or "exciters" from time to time but they can get messy. What they normally do is add distortion to the audio. They call it "generating harmonics" but it's still distortion! Those who advocate their use often point out that they've been used in studios for years. Yes, this is true, but studios rarely use them on entire mixes! They use them on individual instruments or vocals. Plus, the versions used in professional studios are hardware units often costing a lot of money. The software plugin can be useful, but not really applying to finished music unless the mix is seriously flawed to start with. If the source file is bad, then the fixing up should be done there as much as possible.

I understand what you mentioned about voices in the rear channels. This is the result of the ambisonic algorithms I used to generate the surrounds. Since most regular stereo music is not recorded properly for producing true ambisonics, the effect is only an approximation (Real ambisonic recordings sound incredibly realistic when played back through a properly set up system).

You might try using a center cut plugin such as Elevayta's Extra Boy (free) or Extra Boy Pro (commercial but very reasonably priced). These can produce a lot of artifacts (warbling sounds, etc.) if not used carefully, but with practice, the results can be acceptable. Whenever I've played with them, I've found they produce better results removing sounds than isolating them. Isolated sounds usually suffer from too many artifacts. Yes, it's possible to adjust the strength of the effect but then the isolation suffers.

I would recommend processing the fronts with VI.I and then doing the rears separately, using the center cut plugin on the source file first to remove the dialog voices and then processing the result through VI.I to get the three surround channels. This should help reduce the voices.

Thanks again for your feedback.

Regards,
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Thanks to you Steve. Have you that to thank me nothing.
I will test the VST plug-in Extra Boy Pro v136 that comments, I have obtained a demo.

I commented him the results

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