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Old 5th June 2006, 06:27   #421  |  Link
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Did you plan to include a direct command editor for sub commands in all DCSQTs? E.g. I want to remove "Stop" commands in some subtitles.
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Old 5th June 2006, 06:32   #422  |  Link
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Well, I didn't really plan on doing that, it could be quite tricky. In the meantime, you can delay the Stop command until the next SPU, which will achieve almost the same result as removing it. Simply change the duration of the subpic to its maximum value...
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Well, I didn't really plan on doing that, it could be quite tricky. In the meantime, you can delay the Stop command until the next SPU, which will achieve almost the same result as removing it. Simply change the duration of the subpic to its maximum value...
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I have a DVD (Wimbledon) with annoying feature of subtitles. Subtitles makes with "fade (in/out) effect" and most of it displaying with flash (fade-in - normal displaying - fade-out - none - very short flash). I think the "Stop" commands are reason of this flashing.
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Old 5th June 2006, 16:33   #424  |  Link
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President, you can post a small snipped of your subs for us to look at. Save one of the streams as a .sup file and post that somewhere. I'll take a look at it. The stop command should not make it flash, there must be something else.
But you could also edit your VOB with VOBEdit yourself. You'd have to find the stop command (0x02 I think) and replace it with an "end of command" 0x0F I think, and see if that changes anything on that particular subtitle. A bit tedious, but OK for a test.

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Old 5th June 2006, 17:05   #425  |  Link
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But you could also edit your VOB with VOBEdit yourself
AFAIK there is no way to save a modified file with VobEdit, that part was never written.
But I, too, would like to see what makes it flash, probably a mistake in the sequence of commands used for fade out. Most likely the last DCSQT contains only a stop command and no CHG_COLCON, so the subpicture reverts to its original set of colors and contrast established by SET_COLOR and SET_CONTR. The terminate command is 0xFF
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Quite inerestingly, I am facing almost the same type of troubles reported by President, about the "Stop" command...

The original sup file, with the fade in/fade out effects is this one [sorry, ~50MB]:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22283396/...es_27.sup.html

Well, trying to decompile the file in the sst format, both with VSRIP+VSCONV or with Subrip 1.50B3, in order to import it in Scenarist or in DVDPlanner, lead to a code similar to the following (21 pictures are sufficient to show the first subpicture effect):

Code:
st_format	2
Display_Start	non_forced
TV_Type		PAL
Tape_Type	NON_DROP
Pixel_Area	(0 572)
Directory	E:\tmp\out
Subtitle	out
Display_Area	(0 2 719 574)
Contrast	(15 15 15 0)

PA	(0 0 255 - - - )
E1	(255 0 0 - - - )
E2	(0 0 0 - - - )
BG	(255 255 255 - - - )

SP_NUMBER	START	END	FILE_NAME
Color	 (7 6 4 4)
Contrast (0 0 0 0)
0001	00:00:02:08	00:00:02:09	out_0001.bmp
Contrast (1 2 1 0)
0002	00:00:02:10	00:00:02:11	out_0002.bmp
Contrast (2 3 2 0)
0003	00:00:02:12	00:00:02:13	out_0003.bmp
Contrast (3 5 3 0)
0004	00:00:02:14	00:00:02:15	out_0004.bmp
Contrast (4 6 4 0)
0005	00:00:02:16	00:00:02:17	out_0005.bmp
Contrast (5 8 5 0)
0006	00:00:02:18	00:00:02:19	out_0006.bmp
Contrast (6 9 6 0)
0007	00:00:02:20	00:00:02:21	out_0007.bmp
Contrast (7 11 7 0)
0008	00:00:02:22	00:00:02:23	out_0008.bmp
Contrast (8 12 8 0)
0009	00:00:02:24	00:00:03:00	out_0009.bmp
Contrast (9 14 9 0)
0010	00:00:03:01	00:00:03:02	out_0010.bmp
Contrast (10 15 10 0)
0011	00:00:03:03	00:00:05:10	out_0011.bmp
Contrast (9 14 9 0)
0012	00:00:05:11	00:00:05:12	out_0012.bmp
Contrast (8 12 8 0)
0013	00:00:05:13	00:00:05:14	out_0013.bmp
Contrast (7 11 7 0)
0014	00:00:05:15	00:00:05:16	out_0014.bmp
Contrast (6 9 6 0)
0015	00:00:05:17	00:00:05:18	out_0015.bmp
Contrast (5 8 5 0)
0016	00:00:05:19	00:00:05:20	out_0016.bmp
Contrast (4 6 4 0)
0017	00:00:05:21	00:00:05:22	out_0017.bmp
Contrast (3 5 3 0)
0018	00:00:05:23	00:00:05:24	out_0018.bmp
Contrast (2 3 2 0)
0019	00:00:06:00	00:00:06:01	out_0019.bmp
Contrast (1 2 1 0)
0020	00:00:06:02	00:00:06:03	out_0020.bmp
Contrast (0 0 0 0)
0021	00:00:06:04	00:00:06:05	out_0021.bmp
By reauthoring the sst stream with MuxMan, the result seems ok (with DVDSubEdit all of the pictures and the transparency levels are ok, apart the duration ---> should'n be two frames, i.e. 80 ms ?):

[img=http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/9531/image12gr.th.gif]

Anyway the playback (just used a sw player for the moment...) is flashing...

Edit: forgot to report that the reauthoring with the original sup asset, using MuxMan, leads to no problems...; also the sup file is one of the assets of "Spiderman", R2...

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SD I think we're talking about two different problems here. I'm downloading the sup right now, but my guess is there are no stop commands and the sst file is wrong. The way it is written the subs should flash (on for one frame, off for one frame). Change the stop time to 00:00:00:00 and they will be compiled in either Scenarist or MuxMan (not sure about DVDPlanner on this) with no stop code.
But this is an ugly way to do a fade, only one bitmap is required with multiple DCSQT's using the CHG_COLCON command to change contrast - which, I believe, is the way Scenarist performs a fade if compiled as that effect. Note: sst does not support effects, only scp
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Old 5th June 2006, 20:13   #428  |  Link
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I see - and sorry for being OT...

Well, the point is that I did not find any means of translating the sup file into a working sst file because all of the available tools I tryed (subtitle format translators) are actually placing stop commands into the compiled output.

I also already tryed your suggestion - to set the end time of each SPU to 00:00:00:00, but the stop command after each picture is still there...




Anyway, the CHG_COLCON command is not used in the original asset (this is the reason the file is huge); I understand it is a bad practice of authoring, but it's here in the original asset, so it should be possible, with the same procedure, to "simulate" the fade effect using the sst format, right ?

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My mistake (doing too many things at one time), duration of 00:00:00:00 in the mxp file removes the stop command. In an sst file you set the stop time to a minus sign, eg
0001 00:00:02:08 - out_0001.bmp
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Old 5th June 2006, 20:33   #430  |  Link
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A big, big thanks...

I think that asking if somebody knows some reference document describing the SST format would lead to the standard "use the search" answer, right ?



Well, thanks again...
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http://www.mpucoder.com/Muxman/mxp/sst.html
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http://www.dvdmadeeasy.com/downloads...FileFormat.pdf
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AFAIK there is no way to save a modified file with VobEdit, that part was never written.
mpucoder, I do that all the time! As soon as you enter anything in the boxes, it's saved instantly (well, probably saved when you quit)...
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.SST has a limited command set, so doing advanced DCSQT stuff really is a pain, since you're forced to work frame-by-frame.

DVDMaestro's .STL format is more comfortable to use, but I am unaware of any tool that would accurately translate your .SUP commands into $fade* and $wipe* .STL commands...
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If there's enough people interested, I could add a couple functions to DVDSubEdit (it's been asked before)
- Remove fade
- Add fade
As far as swipes, that might be a bit harder...
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Wow, I would be very grateful for an Add Fade function
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mpucoder, I do that all the time! As soon as you enter anything in the boxes, it's saved instantly (well, probably saved when you quit)...
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No, instantly! You don't have to save or quit. It's even somewhat dangerous, but it can be useful if you want to test your changes immediately, without having to reload the file and find the right LBA to change the value again. (However, this trick doesn't work if you need to test with a program requiring exclusive access on the VOB file.)
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I didn't know that - good thing the rippers I use leave the files as read-only. (I just checked, and that is the reason none of my files get changed when I play with them in VobEdit)

@SD - the first sub in that sup file does not have a stop command (did not check any further) - so none of these programs can make a valid sst from subs without stop commands!?
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No, instantly! You don't have to save or quit. It's even somewhat dangerous, but it can be useful if you want to test your changes immediately, without having to reload the file and find the right LBA to change the value again. (However, this trick doesn't work if you need to test with a program requiring exclusive access on the VOB file.)
You're right r0lZ, I've actually used that feature extensively, now that I think of it, great for testing!!!
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Wow, I would be very grateful for an Add Fade function
kumi, just out of curiosity, what would you use this for?
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I would use it for subtitling normal dialogue lines. If used with a light touch, i.e. 3-frame fadein + 5-frame fadeout, the effect looks professional and increases readability a little bit (IMHO). I do it in DVDMaestro now, but that authoring suite annoys me...mostly because I can't use my preferred workflow: SSA->MaestroSBT+VDub->MuxMan->DVDSubEdit.

It's definetely eye candy, but 99% of the DVDs I watch are subtitled, and I guess I've grown picky about things

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