DivX He-3 codec now available from DivX Labs

DigitAl56K · 20th October 2005, 02:37

Today we released a new beta of the DivX He-3 codec! You can install it on top of the DivX Create package, and you do not need to be a registered user to participate in the beta.

Quote:

The DivX® He-3 codec builds on the previous DivX Helium codec, with enhanced support for Dual Core, HT, and SMP CPU detection, lots of bug fixes, and even more blazing performance. Even the single-threaded versions run faster! And that's not all...

Read more and access downloads over at DivX Labs.

IgorC · 20th October 2005, 03:43

There is still same bug. When I try to play movie the system is hanged up.
Same inferior quality as Beta fusion. Same speed. Encoding is slow for ASP.
No progress at all during 1 year.
More of the same.

DigitAl56K · 20th October 2005, 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgorC

There is still same bug. When I try to play movie the system is hanged up.
Same inferior quality as Beta fusion. Same speed. Encoding is slow for ASP.
No progress at all during 1 year.
More of the same.

It's far, far faster!

Are you playing with the DirectShow or VFW decoders? Have you tried installing DivX 6.0.3 as a base before installing He-3 codec?

fight2win · 20th October 2005, 12:11

Thanks for the cool update, DivX Team!

IgorC · 20th October 2005, 15:32

Digital56K
I'm sorry I'm not going to provide any feedback because I've already uninstalled it.

DigitAl56K · 20th October 2005, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgorC

Digital56K
I'm sorry I'm not going to provide any feedback because I've already uninstalled it.

OK. FYI: This thread is for people who are going to test it

Has anyone checked out the new 1-Pass Target Quantizer mode in profile mode? What kind of gains do you see using something like Extreme or Insane modes vs the 6.0 codec on your own boxes? (Post the spec and gains!).

Presumably some of you do Live capture also - what do you think of the new High Performance mode and the new implementation of Fastest mode?

jggimi · 20th October 2005, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgorC

Digital56K
I'm sorry I'm not going to provide any feedback because I've already uninstalled it.

IgorC:

It is reasonably obvious to the ordinarily prudent person that you do not like the software -- codecs, encoders, ancillary tools -- produced by DivX Networks. Many of your prior posts have been filled with negative invective.

You're not required to like their products, nor use them. Negative feedback is fine, but only when it is constructive.

Unfortunately, all you have to say is "DivX Sucks!!!" This helps no one.

You have violated the behavioral guidelines I published in How to avoid flame wars. If you have nothing of value to add, please, don't post.

Struck for rude behavior.

[Edited for clarity]

fight2win · 20th October 2005, 20:02

i love divx products, they provide top notch support, and their products (codecs) are also very very user friendly and provide great results! "DivX Rocks"! And yeah, one more thing, they don't have that attitude problem which the open source supporters have! i have not yet tested the new codec as i am a little too busy right now, but i am going to test it this weekend, but i have played back some content, it plays cool, as always!

tomos · 21st October 2005, 18:07

i'm trying it now, definite speed improvements, 20fps for 1080 material with an avs script - fastest. much better than the old 'helium' codec. looks good on my projector too.

i wont go into any technical stuff (wouldnt know) but i like this so far

CruNcher · 21st October 2005, 19:41

@fight2win
Some people will never forget what they did that's also the reason why so many are skeptical about the coming Dr.DivX OSS release so much in it comes from OSS code that they have to go this way anyways (and what they gonna add to it ????) comunity improvements most likely will go into their Encoder stuff and maybe into Buisness Products but the question is what will they give back ???, and it's fine if your happy with the product as such that's all what count's and no i have nothing vs DivX nor Inc (they aren't Networks anymore)

DigitAl56K · 21st October 2005, 20:20

Please keep this thread on topic

Dang people, for a thread at Doom9 this has to be one of the most painful I've ever been on

Cruncher: If you want to post that feedback in another thread I can ask Gej and thekid to address it.

Anyone care to actually comment on He-3? :S

riggits · 21st October 2005, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

Please keep this thread on topic

Dang people, for a thread at Doom9 this has to be one of the most painful I've ever been on

Cruncher: If you want to post that feedback in another thread I can ask Gej and thekid to address it.

Anyone care to actually comment on He-3? :S

hooray! testing now under way.... are there any improvements to the internal deinterlace filters?

Ice =A= · 21st October 2005, 23:28

I have the same error I had with the previous version (memory adress 0x00000-something, I wrote about that one allready), it won't run on my Athlon X2.
It's time to switch to Nero-AVC...

Gej · 21st October 2005, 23:31

Hi CruNcher

You must be talking about the DivX 4.0 “close closing” back in days. At least this “incident” lead to the creation of XviD (as you seem to be in the know, XviD start with a 100% DivX codebase…) so depending how you look at it, it was not necessarily a bad thing.

About Dr. DivX OSS, we do not want to throw a half-baked product into the community, allow us to take our time and make sure that the software is working the way it should before unveiling it to the word. Now rest assured that Dr DivX OSS will stay OSS, our mighty Converter will stay what it is, a Converter, there is nothing to be afraid of on that side.

Also like it on not, but we have developed complete and extensive support for DivX Codec (and also XviD) into the Consumer Electronic space starting from nothing in a couple of years, now everyone can play they content on $60 DivX certified DVD player. That may not look like an achievement to you, but no Open Source project could have done that.

BTW: you should give He-3 a try, it’s definitely faster, the kind of fast you can feel…

Gej · 21st October 2005, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice =A=

I have the same error I had with the previous version (memory adress 0x00000-something, I wrote about that one allready), it won't run on my Athlon X2.
It's time to switch to Nero-AVC...

I have an Athlon X2 and I do not have this error, can you give more precisions, on the Application used for encoding, the source and the settings. Or point me to the other post if you have already posted about that

Thanks

Ice =A= · 22nd October 2005, 00:07

Thanks for your interest!The other posts are here .

ChronoCross · 22nd October 2005, 05:01

Well it's a bit faster on insane mode. The quality increase isn't signifigant but the speed up puts it on par with a decent codec. I don't have a SMP or multi core system so I was only able to test single processor with HT.

fight2win · 22nd October 2005, 07:38

i've run into some trouble, when feedback windows was enabled, the pc just restarted within minutes of 1st pass, and when it was disabled, virtualdub just closed itself after 1 hr.! source was pal dvd movie, unconstrained mode,insane quality,qpel off,high bitrate of 1424 kbps, 2-pass! divx 6.0.3 and he-3 were being used!

Gej · 22nd October 2005, 09:19

Just to share my experience, because the He-3 Codec heavily loads all the CPU executions units (integer, floating point and SIMD) it may put overclocked CPUs to their knees. I personally experience Virtual Dub just disappearing in the middle of encode due to too much overclocking. If you test He-3 please make sure your CPU is at a stable speed. The best way I found to find if the CPU is stable is to use Prime95 and run as many instances as you have CPU (launch it with the -A0 and -A1 parameters and so on) and run the torture test with the in-place large FFT option, a CPU can be considered stable if all Prime95 instances can run without error for 8 to 12 hours, 24 is even better. My X2 4400 boot at 2.6Ghz, run 3DMark at 2.4Ghz but pass prime95 and encode only at the default speed.

ricardo.santos · 22nd October 2005, 17:37

WOW WOW WOW

if my tests are correct this beta version is faster, a lot lot lot faster when using the EXTREME AND INSANE QUALITY MODES and im not a using dual core pc.!!!

Good work Divx Team.

BALANCED MODE
Processing thread priority: normal
source clip duration- 5 minutes(vob file)
conversion done with virtualdubmod 1.5.4.1
conversion done on a pentium 4 2.66ghz with 512Mg ram

Divx6
1pass- 7.10m
2pass-7.03m

DivxHE3
1pass-5.55m
2pass-5.54m

DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 60 minutes to convert it.(30m less for each pass)

BETTER QUALITY MODE

Divx6
1pass- 11.54m
2pass- not done

DivxHE3
1pass- 9.07m
2pass-8.43m

DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 100 minutes to convert it.(50m less for each pass)

EXTREME QUALITY MODE

Divx6
1pass- 19.10
2pass- not done

DivxHE3
1pass- 10.40m
2pass- 10.23m

DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 6 hours to convert it.(3 hours less for each pass)

INSANE QUALITY MODE

Divx6
1pass- 23.20m
2pass- not done

DivxHE3
1pass- 14.12m
2pass- not done

DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 6 hours to convert it.(3 hours less for each pass)

Hope this date helps!

Ricardo

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CruNcher Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 2,705	@fight2win Some people will never forget what they did that's also the reason why so many are skeptical about the coming Dr.DivX OSS release so much in it comes from OSS code that they have to go this way anyways (and what they gonna add to it ????) comunity improvements most likely will go into their Encoder stuff and maybe into Buisness Products but the question is what will they give back ???, and it's fine if your happy with the product as such that's all what count's and no i have nothing vs DivX nor Inc (they aren't Networks anymore) __________________ all my compares are riddles so please try to decipher them yourselves :) current Main XviD PSNRLab version 1.1 current XviD PSNRLab update 1.1.3 MT1389xx Player Infos XviD EDP Build CVS (CruNchers Visual System ©) V 1.4 new with predefined profiles ;) Code: Olivera: "We're expendable assets" "and we've just been expended" "It's not a trick it's a Sony Rootkit" pwnz :devil: :angry: :rolleyes:

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Gej DivX guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 79	Beware of overclocking Just to share my experience, because the He-3 Codec heavily loads all the CPU executions units (integer, floating point and SIMD) it may put overclocked CPUs to their knees. I personally experience Virtual Dub just disappearing in the middle of encode due to too much overclocking. If you test He-3 please make sure your CPU is at a stable speed. The best way I found to find if the CPU is stable is to use Prime95 and run as many instances as you have CPU (launch it with the -A0 and -A1 parameters and so on) and run the torture test with the in-place large FFT option, a CPU can be considered stable if all Prime95 instances can run without error for 8 to 12 hours, 24 is even better. My X2 4400 boot at 2.6Ghz, run 3DMark at 2.4Ghz but pass prime95 and encode only at the default speed.

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ricardo.santos Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 808	WOW WOW WOW if my tests are correct this beta version is faster, a lot lot lot faster when using the EXTREME AND INSANE QUALITY MODES and im not a using dual core pc.!!! Good work Divx Team. BALANCED MODE Processing thread priority: normal source clip duration- 5 minutes(vob file) conversion done with virtualdubmod 1.5.4.1 conversion done on a pentium 4 2.66ghz with 512Mg ram Divx6 1pass- 7.10m 2pass-7.03m DivxHE3 1pass-5.55m 2pass-5.54m DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 60 minutes to convert it.(30m less for each pass) BETTER QUALITY MODE Divx6 1pass- 11.54m 2pass- not done DivxHE3 1pass- 9.07m 2pass-8.43m DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 100 minutes to convert it.(50m less for each pass) EXTREME QUALITY MODE Divx6 1pass- 19.10 2pass- not done DivxHE3 1pass- 10.40m 2pass- 10.23m DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 6 hours to convert it.(3 hours less for each pass) INSANE QUALITY MODE Divx6 1pass- 23.20m 2pass- not done DivxHE3 1pass- 14.12m 2pass- not done DivxHe3 was faster and if i was converting a film with a duration of 100m i would estimate that DivxHe3 would take less 6 hours to convert it.(3 hours less for each pass) Hope this date helps! Ricardo __________________ Ricardo Santos na Aldeia mais digital de Portugal, Beijós

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20th October 2005, 03:43	#2 \| Link
IgorC Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,025	There is still same bug. When I try to play movie the system is hanged up. Same inferior quality as Beta fusion. Same speed. Encoding is slow for ASP. No progress at all during 1 year. More of the same.

20th October 2005, 12:11	#4 \| Link
fight2win What's in a name dude ! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cloud 9 Posts: 334	Thanks for the cool update, DivX Team!

20th October 2005, 15:32	#5 \| Link
IgorC Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,025	Digital56K I'm sorry I'm not going to provide any feedback because I've already uninstalled it.

20th October 2005, 20:02	#8 \| Link
fight2win What's in a name dude ! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cloud 9 Posts: 334	i love divx products, they provide top notch support, and their products (codecs) are also very very user friendly and provide great results! "DivX Rocks"! And yeah, one more thing, they don't have that attitude problem which the open source supporters have! i have not yet tested the new codec as i am a little too busy right now, but i am going to test it this weekend, but i have played back some content, it plays cool, as always!

21st October 2005, 18:07	#9 \| Link
tomos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 499	i'm trying it now, definite speed improvements, 20fps for 1080 material with an avs script - fastest. much better than the old 'helium' codec. looks good on my projector too. i wont go into any technical stuff (wouldnt know) but i like this so far

21st October 2005, 23:28	#13 \| Link
Ice =A= Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 148	I have the same error I had with the previous version (memory adress 0x00000-something, I wrote about that one allready), it won't run on my Athlon X2. It's time to switch to Nero-AVC...

21st October 2005, 23:31	#14 \| Link
Gej DivX guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 79	Hi CruNcher You must be talking about the DivX 4.0 “close closing” back in days. At least this “incident” lead to the creation of XviD (as you seem to be in the know, XviD start with a 100% DivX codebase…) so depending how you look at it, it was not necessarily a bad thing. About Dr. DivX OSS, we do not want to throw a half-baked product into the community, allow us to take our time and make sure that the software is working the way it should before unveiling it to the word. Now rest assured that Dr DivX OSS will stay OSS, our mighty Converter will stay what it is, a Converter, there is nothing to be afraid of on that side. Also like it on not, but we have developed complete and extensive support for DivX Codec (and also XviD) into the Consumer Electronic space starting from nothing in a couple of years, now everyone can play they content on $60 DivX certified DVD player. That may not look like an achievement to you, but no Open Source project could have done that. BTW: you should give He-3 a try, it’s definitely faster, the kind of fast you can feel…

22nd October 2005, 00:07	#16 \| Link
Ice =A= Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 148	Thanks for your interest!The other posts are here .

22nd October 2005, 05:01	#17 \| Link
ChronoCross Does it really matter? Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,472	Well it's a bit faster on insane mode. The quality increase isn't signifigant but the speed up puts it on par with a decent codec. I don't have a SMP or multi core system so I was only able to test single processor with HT.

22nd October 2005, 07:38	#18 \| Link
fight2win What's in a name dude ! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cloud 9 Posts: 334	i've run into some trouble, when feedback windows was enabled, the pc just restarted within minutes of 1st pass, and when it was disabled, virtualdub just closed itself after 1 hr.! source was pal dvd movie, unconstrained mode,insane quality,qpel off,high bitrate of 1424 kbps, 2-pass! divx 6.0.3 and he-3 were being used!