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Old 5th September 2005, 18:28   #141  |  Link
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@Zarxrax: How close to the end of the stream? The very very end (like the last few hundred frames?) Or is it just generally towards the end of the encode. I assume this is with QuEnc 0.61 (?)
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Yes, 0.61. One of my files is about 1 hour 11 minutes in length, and Encore says that the too-high bitrate occurs around 1 hour 03 minutes.

Do you know of a tool that can display the max bitrate that is used in the file, so I can see if maybe its just a bug in Encore, or if the bitrate really is spiking?
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You can to use Bitrate Viewer or alternatively to use a tool present in DVD-Lab Pro.

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Ok, the peak bitrate of my file went way to high all over the place, not just near the end. The Bitrate viewer in DVD-Lab is saying the peak bitrate is 10230 kbps.

While I am encoding the 2nd pass, it reports that there are many possible overflows. Is that referring to bitrate overflows? At less than 10% through, it already reports 6 possible overflows!
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my problem is with certain people from that forum that have come here in the past to only flame and abuse rather than ask or give help. yes there are others who post on both forums and i have no problems at all with them. i also am no fan of the fact it has gone to a pay system where you can not even view posts without paying to join first but i do not blame or take that out on users.
@All

Hi.

Before I get banned, or this post gets deleted, I just hope several people have a good chance to read it and digest it.
If it gets deleted, I'll just repost it in the main public page at KVCD.Net.
I'm sure it will spread worldwide in a matter of hours.
I said to myself a long time ago that I was not going to post at this site anymore, but it seems that I must in order to clear up several comments about me and KVCD.Net.
Since KVCD.Net went to a "pay-once" (dirt cheap $2.99) model for forum access, some people around the net immediately started whining.
Why?, because most sites are free, and don't require any payment, so anyone can join.
Some use advertizing (very bad model in my opinion, unless it's google, CNN or other huge sites ), and others are free for some time, before finally folding up after some time because of not making any revenues to maintain the site.
Well, since this model was put into operation, KVCD.Net has been the cleanest and most joyful site to visit and to talk about advanced video conversion, because the people that join truly want to learn, and the pay model keeps the rats out of the site.
Now, I've been refered here, because specifically dragongotz has made several comments about us, on different occasions, and I'd like to show the community exactly what KVCD.Net does with some of the money that comes in via new registrations.
Below is our PayPal record of some transactions that have been made specifically to the open source community, and some of them with dates that are prior to the time we started the payment registration model. Back then, the money came out of my pocket.



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Jun. 25, 2005
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Note:
Great work Kris
And btw, thanks for changing the license to BSD. I'm not very fond of GPL

Thanks,
-Karl
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Note:
Thanks for a wonderful piece of software!
Argus rocks!!!

Thanks,
-Karl
http://www.kvcd.net
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Note:
Thank you all for a wonderfull and stable OS!

Karl Wagner
http://www.kvcd.net
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Note:
Hi Hubert,

Thanks for such a wonderful utility, and for basing it on one of my favorite OS'es

Cheers,
-Karl
http://www.kvcd.net
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Customer Service Email: staff@sourceforge.net
Customer Service Phone: 510-687-7181

Funding Type:
PayPal Funds
Funding Source:
$5.00 USD - PayPal Account

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Note:
Thanks for a wonderful piece of software.

-Karl
http://www.kvcd.net
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Donation of $25.00 (if I recall the amount correctly) was made to DVD2SVCD about 3 years, but I lost track of that one.
Also donation to Baldrick at vcdhelp.com some time ago.

Also contributions made by code review/fix, specially to the FreeBSD Team as shown below:

Code:
Page 180
The example in the middle of the page should read:

For example, to generate a second set of 32 pseudo-terminals, enter:

# cd /dev 
# ./MAKEDEV pty1

You can generate up to 256 pseudo-terminals. They are named ttyp0 through ttypv, ttyq0 through ttyqv, ttyr0 through ttyrv, 

ttys0 through ttysv, ttyP0 through ttyPv, ttyQ0 through ttyQv, ttyR0 through ttyRv and ttyS0 through ttySv. To create each 

set of 32 terminals, use the number of the set: the first set is pty0, and the eighth set is pty7. Note that some processes, 

such as xterm, only look at ttyp0 through ttysv.

Thanks to Karl Wagner for pointing out this error.
Page 197, first line
link here: http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html

More:
http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html


And too many others I lost track of, or were payments I did on an old PayPal account I no longer have.

This is just the way I show appreciation to some developers and people I value, so KVCD.Net DOES give back a lot to the community.
So anyone that joins KVCD.Net can be assured that some of the money he gave when joining, eventually goes to some selected open source projects, and that is a feeling of satisfaction.

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Old 6th September 2005, 08:25   #146  |  Link
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Well, since this model was put into operation, KVCD.Net has been the cleanest and most joyful site to visit and to talk about advanced video conversion, because the people that join truly want to learn, and the pay model keeps the rats out of the site.
Hi Karl,

I have to agree with you there. Since the paid model has come into action KVCD.net has very extemely clean indeed.

In the past it used to get very frustrating with all the AVI warez kiddies that used to hound the board with ways to convert their illegally gotten movies and got to such a state that it was becoming unbearable.

Since the change it has been a clean site whith genuine people who love video/audio encoding and who are always on hard to help people out and to be honest I think $2.99 is such a small amount to ask and is not hardly going to break the bank.

KVCD.net was one of the first places I found and I have learned a lot from there and Karl and the other members some of whom are members here also have taught me a lot. So thanks Karl for that.

@All

Please don't feel that I am putting this site and forum down, I an not. I like being a member here also and equally there are many many great members here that are also so helpful and I have learned a lot from this site also.

This is a great site to, but the beauty of the www is that you can have more than one source for from which to get knowledge and this is a good thing.

I just wanted to help defend Kwag's decision to go the way of a pay site.

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Old 6th September 2005, 12:28   #147  |  Link
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@Nic,
As far as I can recall, I mentioned all the settings that were enabled.
If I didn't mention 2-pass it's more than sure that I had it disabled.
And if what you're saying is that in single pass the ratecontrol is managed by libavcodec, then it only gives me more reason to be angry at libavcodec...
@Kwag,
Nice seeing you around.
Glad you made your point very clear to anyone .
@all
Doom9 is one of the best places to find video encoding information.
And is also the places where one can find more free open source developpers coding video enconding tools.
And that's very cool.
The encoding community owes a lot to Doom9 and to it's users.
For that I thank you all.
But there are other places where people can find help and where one can find a lot of information gathered from lots of testing.
Kvcd.net is one of those places and so it is Vcdhelp (or whatever name is used nowadays) which is another good example.
I just would like to know why some people here won't acknowledge that and why they will never stop sending sarcastic messages when someone else says he/she has a problem with an encode that used the Notch matrix or that was encoded with some help at the Kvcd.net forum.
At the end of the day what I mean is that "Knowledge and good will" are not an exclusive of Doom9.
And for me this would close the argument that I raised.
Just my 0.02 before I get another warning or get striked for not being nice or for going way too off-topic...
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Old 6th September 2005, 13:23   #148  |  Link
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since this model was put into operation, KVCD.Net has been the cleanest and most joyful site to visit and to talk about advanced video conversion, because the people that join truly want to learn, and the pay model keeps the rats out of the site.
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In the past it used to get very frustrating with all the AVI warez kiddies that used to hound the board with ways to convert their illegally gotten movies and got to such a state that it was becoming unbearable.
hmm ok lets assume the "rats" refered to are warez kiddies. how exactly does disabling reading stop them from fouling up the forum ? it doesnt. disabling posting by needing to be a member does. so the arguement that reading by anyone has to be members only aswell to stop them is plain false.
now you may say why would anyone just want to read. ok i will give you an easy example.
Bill hears about kvcd and after looking around thinks he may be interested in testing it out for his vcd/dvd. now he hears there is an actual website with a forum. good he thinks i can see what experiences people have had and any problems and work arounds etc. goes to the website, goes to read the forum and......he must pay.
now other may be fans of that all they like but i am not.

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because specifically dragongotz has made several comments about us, on different occasions
funny but i dont seem to remember me ever going to your forum and flaming away at people as you have done before here. infact me saying things like i dont like a forum being pay-per-view is nothing to the attitude you have brought here in the past. as i also said i get on fine with people that are seriously trying to give or get help here but not those who just want to rant and flame. oh and so we are clear on this it was john3voltas who brought kvcd in to this topic with his mini-rant about how kvcd matrix always gets blamed etc. instead of just explaining what the problem was(with details) and seeing what we would say.

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Below is our PayPal record of some transactions that have been made specifically to the open source community
well good on you. still has nothing to do with what i have said.

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I just would like to know why some people here won't acknowledge that and why they will never stop sending sarcastic messages when someone else says he/she has a problem with an encode that used the Notch matrix or that was encoded with some help at the Kvcd.net forum.
now thats a big stretch. go back and read that post you did. you assumed people would say something. maybe in future wait and see what they actually say instead.

this is all way off topic and i have no interest in reading more justifications of peoples actions so i wont bother to reply to anymore such posts here.
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Correction: it wasn't me who introduced the kvcd.net into this topic.
That was Sagittaire's doing, not me.
I just commented on Nic's comments about kvcd!

Note: I have lurked D9 for a very long time and I don't recall Kwag ever flaming in here.
I do remember some argumentations (both here and at kvcd.net) with a lot of people from both forums flaming the opposite end.
If for instance we were talking about honorable moderator Mr. Neo Neko flamings at kvcd.net then I would easily remember and agree.
Maybe you could give us some evidence of such flaming behaviour from Karl?...

Note2: BTW we both used the word d*ck a few posts above.
I got a warning for that.
Did you get a warning too ?
Forget it. I can guess it .
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Note: I have lurked D9 for a very long time and I don't recall Kwag ever flaming in here.
well, that thread was in fact delteated. it got quite nasty, and i'm not too proud of the contribution from either "side". i totally don't understand inter-forum rivalry at all. we're all just netizens after all, but the whole thing just left a bad taste in both kvcd and doom9's collective mouths. stupid really, and since then kvcd people have been immediately on the defensive as soon as they post here, which of course means they don't get particularly useful responses from doom9 members - it's the text equivalent of poor body language, and it's hard to avoid thinking some people are just trying to start a fight.

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btw, i think i read the first 2 sentences of kwag's post. please put all that in a code block so people who are interested can read it, but people who are interested in quenc development can read on without wearing out their scroll-wheel.
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A further report on my bitrate issue:
I've been encoding my stuff with HC now, trying to get my DVD done, and I discovered that with HC at least, my bitrate is fine right after the file is encoded, but after I run DGPulldown on the file, the bitrate will shoot through the roof! Can anyone explain this?? The length of the file remains the same, and the filesize remains the same, but it suddenly reports a way higher bitrate! This could very well mean that QuEnc had no trouble at all keeping the bitrate under control, though I can't confirm that right now.
If anyone could comment on why pulldown is shooting my bitrate through the roof, I'd really appreaciate it. This issue has caused me to waste like a week of my life now trying to get a dvd done against a deadline! I've tried other methods of Adding pulldown besides just DGPulldown, so its not just that program at fault either.
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did bitrate increase by 29970/23976?

BitrateViewer doesn't take pulldown into account, so bitrates will look way higher than they ought to.

the file itself should not be any bigger.
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but after I run DGPulldown on the file, the bitrate will shoot through the roof!
ahhh this could indeed be your problem. what you have to remember is that with the pulldown frames or fields are being uesd more than once. so if you add the reused frames/feilds size to the bitrate it can indeed exceed the max bitrate. now you may say these frames/feilds should already be there so should not actually increase anything. sorry but they can with dvd players so that has to be taken in to account. try dropping your max bitrate say another 1000 and giving it a try.

oh and also make sure sequence headers(from memory) are set to interlaced even if you encoded progressive. some players dont handle pulldown well if you dont do that.

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BitrateViewer doesn't take pulldown into account, so bitrates will look way higher than they ought to.
real dvd players can do the same thing and choke stuffing the buffer with duplicated frames/feilds aswell so thats not necissarily a bad thing for bitrateviewer to show.
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real dvd players can do the same thing and choke stuffing the buffer with duplicated frames/feilds aswell so thats not necissarily a bad thing for bitrateviewer to show.
Pulldown does not create video data that is fed to the decoder. It is purely a display process.
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Pulldown does not create video data that is fed to the decoder. It is purely a display process.
yes that didnt come out/sound exactly as i meant it. i am sure Mug Funky knew what i meant though.
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Ok this kind of makes sense. But if you are encoding just for dvd, where is the advantage of encoding progressive? If adding pulldown will force you to encode at lower bitrates, then is that really any better than encoding interlaced at a higher bitrate?
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If adding pulldown will force you to encode at lower bitrates...
I don't think that is a valid thesis.
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I don't think that is a valid thesis.
Well, both dvd authoring programs that I tried would not let me use my perfectly within-valid-bitrate-range encodes after I applied pulldown to them, because they would then say that the bitrate was too high. In order to get my files into these authoring programs I would have to severely cut my bitrate (maximum bitrate 7500).

Although, I just now realized, maximum bitrate does not limit the average bitrate that I can use.
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Although, I just now realized, maximum bitrate does not limit the average bitrate that I can use.
correct, its just the max bitrate that needs to be lowered. consider also that if you were encoding to real 29.97fps at the same average bitrate and higher max bitrate the bits would have to be spread over more frames so the extra you get from the higher max bitrate doesnt mean it will actually look any better.
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hmm... superbit encodes i've seen are 100% FILM, and report huge max bitrates in BV. i could only assume these are still DVD compliant though (who'd release a disc that's way out of spec?). maybe the authoring programs are buggy? maybe you could be sneaky and just change the max bitrate flag and leave the stream as is?

the only authoring program i really know is DVDmaestro, and it's got no problem with pulled-down video (although i very very rarely deal with NTSC in spruce).

btw, i thought the wrong bitrate in BV was more because it ignored the flagging and assumed a framerate of 29.97 - but i'm not sure of this (does it report the movie as being shorter?).
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