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Old 9th August 2005, 09:56   #61  |  Link
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which container is recommended for vp7 video?
Its just VFW, so AVI would do fine. But so would Matroska.
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Old 9th August 2005, 10:17   #62  |  Link
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At this time I am aware of no plans to go open source with a VP6 or VP7 decoder.
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May I ask why you wish that this were not so?
Absence of the OpenSource (or at least reference) VP7 decoder is a reason preventing from VP7 usage for long-term video backup. Really I have no warranty to found acceptable HW/SW (x86/Win32) in 2015 (ten years later) to decode my own backup using existing proprietary decoder implementation. In other way existance of OpenSource (or at least reference) decoder give me a chance to found a sourceport or at least to make sourceport myself.
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vp7 doesn't decode vp6 on my system
shouldn't it do that?
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Old 9th August 2005, 17:03   #64  |  Link
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dimzon is right.....

If there is no open sourced decoder avail then if I make backups of my home videos and want to watch them in 20+ years on the successor of the successor of Longhorn then who guarantees me that I can still play them?

Maybe everyone will be using Linux by then (hehe). With the decoder source there is at least a chance someone will be able to port the code.

Whats On2 stand point on this?
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Old 9th August 2005, 17:08   #65  |  Link
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If there is no open sourced decoder avail then if I make backups of my home videos and want to watch them in 20+ years on the successor of the successor of Longhorn then who guarantees me that I can still play them?

Maybe everyone will be using Linux by then (hehe). With the decoder source there is at least a chance someone will be able to port the code.

Whats On2 stand point on this?
100% agreed

In commercial aspect MPEG4-like licensing scheme is more sutable IMHO.

On2Tech, please, inform Your Marketers and Managers. Proprietary decoder is deterrent for wide usage of Your really nice codec. And it's one of the reason to choose H264 family!

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Old 10th August 2005, 11:49   #66  |  Link
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h264 and mpeg4 asp is playable on for example Windows Mobile platform. Vp6 or Vp7 = forget it.
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Old 10th August 2005, 11:59   #67  |  Link
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Can You comment this posts: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Old 10th August 2005, 13:27   #68  |  Link
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He answered there were no plans to do this. What more do you want to know?
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Old 10th August 2005, 14:43   #69  |  Link
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We understand your concerns. All I can say is that we are not aware of any plans to open source the decoders or encoders for VP6 or 7 at present.

However, On2, have, as I am sure you are aware, made significant contributions to the open source community in the past and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we will make further such contributions in the future.

It seems to me your comments / concerns could equally be applied to, for example, RV10. Any codec in fact where the source code is not freely available.

You are no doubt aware that VP6.2 is the new codec in Flash 8 and MacroMedia also have rights to use VP7 at a later date. Perhaps the huge distribution that this implies may alleviate some of your concerns.

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It seems to me your comments / concerns could equally be applied to, for example, RV10.
Yeah, 100% agreed!
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Any codec in fact where the source code is not freely available.
At least not source code but full bitstream specification.
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It seems to me your comments / concerns could equally be applied to, for example, RV10. Any codec in fact where the source code is not freely available.
Why opensource them? Both VP7 and RV10 can be played in mplayer on every OS using win32 dlls.
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Both VP7 and RV10 can be played in mplayer on every OS using win32 dlls.
Unfortunally You need at least x86 CPU architecture to play VP7 and RV10 using win32 dlls. Who can guarantee that You will be able to find x86 compatible CPU 10 or 20 years later???
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Unfortunally You need at least x86 CPU architecture to play VP7 and RV10 using win32 dlls. Who can guarantee that You will be able to find x86 compatible CPU 10 or 20 years later???
Yes! you right. I have Intel pxa270 (xscale, strongarm architecture) and win32 dll is useless already.
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come on , i love VP7, it decodes and encodes perfectly on my p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram pc!i hope some good encoding software which is something like recode 2 is soon released by on2!
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Unfortunally You need at least x86 CPU architecture to play VP7 and RV10 using win32 dlls. Who can guarantee that You will be able to find x86 compatible CPU 10 or 20 years later???
You can't already play DX5 and DX6 games... Thanks to M$! Also, in 10-20 years, you'll just need to keep an old box, which will be probably in linux. No one force you to upgrade.

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There is no guarantee for 20 years later anyway? Who guarantess that my CDs still will play, or even my DVDs? Who guarantees that I can still connect my USB devices to my computer in 20 years? Who guarantees that there are still compilers for C and C++ code in the future. Who guarantees that anyone will actually port this code to a new OS and/or architechture? I'm sorry, but I find this discussion a little bit academic and not serving any other purpose than poluting this thread now the question has been answered that it won't happen any time soon.
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We could also all be dead in 20 years.
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Well, i don't agree with stephanV. I think the point dimzon is making is very important.

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Who guarantess that my CDs still will play, or even my DVDs? Who guarantees that I can still connect my USB devices to my computer in 20 years?
That's hardware related, imo not really relevant when discussing the accessibility of movies/docs/music/whatever files themselves.

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Who guarantees that there are still compilers for C and C++ code in the future.
Open source compilers won't vanish suddenly.

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Who guarantees that anyone will actually port this code to a new OS and/or architechture?
The main point is that it is possible because it's open source. Whether someone does it is just a detail (an important detail of course).
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