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Old 11th January 2004, 19:26   #41  |  Link
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Oooops, there was a syntactical error in the function TomsBobSpecial.
Fixed now, sorry.
Interesting that no-one mentioned it before ... oh well.

LiquidGhost: yes, it works under AS 2.5.

In the meantime, the script has been greatly restructured. Bobbing is now performed by KernelBob, a small trick to educate SmartDecimate was added (help it to avoid mismatches), and the h-u-g-e memory allocation has dropped by magnitudes (the posted version may eat up several hundred MB's in the long run).

And since I should take some free time from office within the next two months (old holiday hanging over), there is hope to get that darn thing to a really usuable state in forseeable time.

Unless Murphy comes to visit again

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Cool! Can't wait to try it on these fieldblended PAL anime DVDs. Also, is smartdecimate avisynth 2x only? I cannot seem to find a avisynth 2.5x one.
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Old 11th January 2004, 20:36   #43  |  Link
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Oh did not see LoadCplugin Ok it works..but it looks kinda horrid on anime....looks like someone used the penoutline filter in Photoshop.
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Quote:
Originally posted by LiquidGhost
looks like someone used the penoutline filter in Photoshop.
This comes probably from [a masktool's bug]+[huge memory usage].
-> Try SetMemoryMax(160) on the beginning of your script. Next version has (will have) a normal memory usage.

BTW, timeline random access in VirtualDub is not recommended.
PLus (for now), don't force great load on your system while the script is working in the background.

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Ah ok cool. I will run it through more anime DVDs today and see what results I get.
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I've played a lot with this great restore24 and found it very useful.

but since it doesn't seem to handle BFF & TFF streams right,
I've made some minor modifications to make it more handy:

1st: I've made a bobber especially for blended clips:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71510
save its code to a file called bobmatcher.avs

2nd: modified restore24:
Code:

# # Restore24 v0.4c
# This script tries to restore 24 progressive frames 
# out of 25 interlaced frames with blended fields resulting 
# from 24p -> TC -> NTSC -> FieldBlendDecimation -> PAL
#

Function Restore24(clip worki,clip outi )
{
###### WORKING STREAM ######-----------------------------------------------------------------------

global work = blankclip(worki).loop().trim(1,50)+worki 

###### OUTPUT STREAM ######-----------------------------------------------------------------------

global out = blankclip(outi).loop().trim(1,50)+outi 


global out0=blankclip(out).trim(1,1)+out # .subtitle("p")
global out1=out.trim(1,0)                # .subtitle("          n")
# global out =out.subtitle("   c")
###### WORKING STREAM ######----------------------------------------------------------------------
work=work.greyscale().levels(0,1.75,255,16,235).crop(8,8,-8,-8) .BicubicResize(work.width/2,work.height/2-32,.0,.5)

###### BUILD EDGEMASK ######----------------------------------------------------------------------
edgeRGB = work.ConvertToRGB32().\
          GeneralConvolution(0,"
           -1 -1 -1 
           -2 10 -2 
           -1 -1 -1 ")           
           
#####################################################################################
######  This following part is implemented with native AviSynth commands       ######
#####################################################################################
#
###### PRECEEDING & PROCEEDING ######
#global edge_c  = edgeRGB.ConvertToYUY2().levels(0,0.5,160,0,255).levels(0,0.5,160,0,255)
#global edge_p2 = BlankClip(edge_c).trim(1,2)+edge_c
#global edge_p1 = edge_p2.trim(1,0)
#global edge_n1 = edge_c .trim(1,0)
#global edge_n2 = edge_c .trim(2,0)

###### WEAKEN STATIC PARTS, BIAS TO MOTION ######
#global edge_p2_dark_n = layer(edge_p2, edge_p1.levels(0,1.0,255,255,0),"darken").ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_p1_dark_p = layer(edge_p1, edge_p2.levels(0,1.0,255,255,0),"darken").ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_n2_dark_p = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(3,0)
#global edge_n1_dark_n = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(3,0)
#global edge_n1_dark_p = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(2,0)
#global edge_c_dark_n  = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(2,0)
#global edge_c_dark_p  = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(1,0)
#global edge_p1_dark_n = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(1,0)

###### BACK'N FORTH, FORTH'N BACK ... ######
#global edge_p2 = edge_p2.ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_p1 = edge_p1.ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_c  = edge_c .ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_n1 = edge_n1.ConvertToYV12()
#global edge_n2 = edge_n2.ConvertToYV12()

#################################################
###### End of native implementation        ######
#################################################

#------------------------------------------------------------------------

 ##########################################################################################
#
#####  The following part is implemented with MaskTools v1.4.0. Only tested on Athlon! #####
######  To try it, un-comment it, and comment-out the above native part.             ######
 ##########################################################################################
##
#
###### PRECEEDING & PROCEEDING ######
global edge_c  = edgeRGB.ConvertToYV12()
global edge_c  = edge_c.levels(0,0.5,160,0,255) #.levels(64,8.0,128,0,255) #.levels(0,0.25,127,0,255)
global edge_p2 = BlankClip(edge_c).trim(1,2)+edge_c
global edge_p1 = edge_p2.trim(1,0)
global edge_n1 = edge_c .trim(1,0)
global edge_n2 = edge_c .trim(2,0)
#
####### WEAKEN STATIC PARTS, BIAS TO MOTION ######
global edge_p2_dark_n = YV12layer(edge_p2, edge_p1.invert(),"mul",chroma=false)
global edge_p1_dark_p = YV12layer(edge_p1, edge_p2.invert(),"mul",chroma=false)
#
global edge_n2_dark_p = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(3,0)
global edge_n1_dark_n = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(3,0)
global edge_n1_dark_p = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(2,0)
global edge_c_dark_n  = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(2,0)
global edge_c_dark_p  = edge_p1_dark_p.trim(1,0)
global edge_p1_dark_n = edge_p2_dark_n.trim(1,0)
#
########################################################
###### End of implementation with MaskTools       ######
########################################################


###### INITIALIZING MORE VARS ######
global btest_p  = 0
global btest_p1  = 0
global btest_pc = 0
global btest_c  = 0
global btest_cn = 0
global btest_n  = 0
global btest_n1  = 0
global btest_p2_n = 0
global btest_p2   = 0
global btest_p1_p = 0
global btest_p1   = 0
global btest_p1_n = 0
global btest_c_p  = 0
global btest_c    = 0
global btest_c_n  = 0
global btest_n1_p = 0
global btest_n1_n = 0
global btest_n2_p = 0
global IsBlend_n = false
global IsBlend_c = false
global IsBlend_p1 = false
global IsBlend_p2 = false
global frametype_p3 = 0
global frametype_p2 = 0
global frametype_p1 = 0
global frametype_c = 0
global frametype_n = 0
global single_ahead = false
global in_pattern = false
global pattern_guidance = 0
global count_p=0
global count_n=0
global P2_motion_btest = 0
global P1_motion_btest = 0
global N1_motion_btest = 0
global N2_motion_btest = 0


##### DEBUGGING, CHANGES ALL TIME ######
function ShowAll ()
{
stackvertical(stackhorizontal(edge_p2_dark_n.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40),
 \                            edge_n2_dark_p.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40) 
 \                            ),
 \            stackhorizontal(edge_p1_dark_p.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40),
 \                            edge_n1_dark_n.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40) 
 \                            ),
 \            stackhorizontal(edge_p1_dark_n.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40),
 \                            edge_n1_dark_p.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40) 
 \                            ),  
 \            stackhorizontal(edge_c_dark_p.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40),
 \                            edge_c_dark_n.ColorYUV(analyze=true).crop(0,0,-0,40)  
 \                            ),
 \            Calculate(work).crop(0,0,-0,-16).ConvertToYV12(),
 \            out.crop(0,16,-0,-16).ConvertToYV12()
 \            )
}

function ShowMetrics( clip clip )
{ 
clip=clip.subtitle("detected is "+string(IsBlend_c),       y=16)
clip=clip.subtitle("diff prev= "+string(btest_c_p-btest_p1_n) + "   nxt ="+string(btest_c_n-btest_n1_p) , y=32) 
clip=clip.subtitle("ratio prv= "+string(btest_c_p/btest_p1_n) + "   nxt ="+string(btest_c_n/btest_n1_p) , y=48) 
clip=clip.subtitle("pattern lock is "+string(in_pattern),  y=64)
clip=clip.subtitle("pattern guideance = "+string(pattern_guidance),  y=80)
clip=clip.subtitle("single ahead is "+string(single_ahead),y=96)
clip=clip.subtitle("frametype_p3 = "+string(frametype_p3) + "   IsBlend_p3 = "+string(IsBlend_p3),y=112)
clip=clip.subtitle("frametype_p2 = "+string(frametype_p2) + "   IsBlend_p2 = "+string(IsBlend_p2),y=128)
clip=clip.subtitle("frametype_p1 = "+string(frametype_p1) + "   IsBlend_p1 = "+string(IsBlend_p1),y=144)
clip=clip.subtitle("frametype_c  = "+string(frametype_c)  + "   IsBlend_c  = "+string(IsBlend_c), y=160)
clip=clip.subtitle(             "                               IsBlend_n  = "+string(IsBlend_n), y=176)
return( clip ) 
}

###### REPLACE FUNCTIONS ######
function PutCurr( ) { 
         global count_p = count_p+1
         global count_n = count_n+1
         global frametype_c = 0
         return( out ) 
         }
         
function PutPrev( ) { 
         global count_p = 0
         global count_n = count_n+1
         global frametype_c = -1
         return( out0 ) 
         }
         
function PutNext( ) { 
         global count_p = count_p+1
         global count_n = 0
         global frametype_c = 1
         return( out1 ) 
         }
         
###### REPLACE DECISION, SAFETY CHECK TO AVOID SINGLES & TRIPLES ######
function PREV( ) { 
         # it's no good idea to put a 'prev' if the decision two frames back was 'next'. 
         (frametype_p3 == 1) ? PutNext() : PutPrev()
         return( last ) 
         }
         
function NEXT( ) { 
         # it's a bad idea to put a 'next' if two frames earlier we put a 'prev': 
         # this is very likely to leave a 'single' frame
         (frametype_p2 == -1) ? PutPrev() : PutNext()
         return( last ) 
         }

function CURR( ) { 
         PutCurr()
         return( last ) 
         }

###### REPLACE BLEND WITH MOST SIMILAR NEIGHBOR ######
function UseMostSimilar( ) 
{
# The frame which blend-test's ratio is closer to 1 should be more similar
ratio_p = abs(btest_c_p/btest_p1_n)
ratio_n = abs(btest_c_n/btest_n1_p)
(ratio_p > ratio_n) ? PREV() : NEXT()   # putPrev() : putNext()

return( last ) 
}

###### REPLACE BLEND ACC. TO PATTERN GUIDANCE ######
# currently: only detect by pattern, but guidance not used (SOFT PATTERN)
function UsePattern( ) 
{
pattern_guidance == 1 ? NEXT() : NOP   # PutNext() : NOP
pattern_guidance == 0 ? CURR() : NOP   # PutCurr() : NOP
pattern_guidance ==-1 ? PREV() : NOP   # PutPrev() : NOP

return( last ) 
}

###### CHECK IF A SINGLE FRAME IS PROBABLY AHEAD ######
function CheckSingleAhead( ) 
{ 
# if brightness of *both* edges n+1 & n+2 is greater than past two frames, that means more motion
# in them, whilst n+1 can't be a double of n+2, cause it was bright enough to outrace n-1 & n-2
# Seems good theoretically, but it seems not to work quite as expected. No tragedy, 'cause false 
# decisions should be caught by the safety check in NEXT() & PREV()
#global single_ahead = (   ( (btest_n1_p > btest_c_p)  && (btest_n2_p > btest_c_p)  )
# \                     && ( (btest_n1_p > btest_p1_p) && (btest_n2_p > btest_p1_p) ) 
# \                       )
global single_ahead = (   ( (btest_n1_n > btest_p2_n) && (btest_n2_p > btest_p2_n) )
 \                     && ( (btest_n1_n > btest_p1_p) && (btest_n2_p > btest_p1_p) ) 
 \                       )  ### Is this second variant better??? ###

in_pattern = single_ahead ? false : true 
return( last ) 
}

###### CHECK IF HISTORY-OF-BLENDS SHOWS A PATTERN ######
function CheckPattern( ) 
{ 
#--- not bad, but still to improve
global in_pattern =
 \              ( (IsBlend_c == false) && (frametype_p1 == 0) && (frametype_p2 != 0) && (frametype_p3 == 0) && (Isblend_n == false) )
# \           || ( (IsBlend_c == false) && (frametype_p2 == 0) && ( (frametype_p1 != 0) || (frametype_p3 != 0) ) && (Isblend_n == true) )
# SOFT: use pattern only to detect blends that arn't detected by metrics

# \              ( (IsBlend_c == false) && (frametype_p1 == 0) && (frametype_p2 != 0) && (frametype_p3 == 0) && (Isblend_n == false) )
# \           || ( (IsBlend_c == false) && (IsBlend_p2 == true) && (frametype_p1 == 0) && (frametype_p3 == 0) )# && (Isblend_n == true) )
# STRONG: use pattern even if blend is detected at n+1: OVERRIDE! - requires atleast one 'real' detection in the past

global pattern_guidance = in_pattern ? frametype_p2 : 99  # currently not used
return( last ) 
}

###### REPLACE DECISION ######
function Replace( ) 
{ 
# If next frame is detected as a single, replace current blend with it to double it. Else, use
# pattern guidance, if a pattern is actually locked. If not, simply use most similar neighbor.
CheckSingleAhead()
single_ahead ? NEXT() : UseMostSimilar()                                 # SOFT pattern: replace undetected blends
                      # ( in_pattern ? UsePattern() : UseMostSimilar() ) # STRONG pattern: replace acc. to pattern
return( last ) 
}

###### DO WE HAVE A BLEND TO REPLACE ? ######
function Evaluate( ) 
{ 
# If current frame is detected or predicted as a blend, replace it. Else it's clean, put it out
CheckPattern()
( IsBlend_c || in_pattern ) ? Replace() : PutCurr()
#( IsBlend_c || ( in_pattern && (pattern_guidance != 0)) ) ? Replace() : PutCurr() # Pattern guidance is not yet final

debug ? ShowMetrics() : NOP

return( last ) 
}

###### CALCULATE METRICS ######
function Calculate( clip clip ) 
{
c99=scriptclip(out, "Evaluate()")

c16=FrameEvaluate(c99, "global IsBlend_n = (btest_n1_p<btest_c_n)&&(btest_n1_n<btest_n2_p)")
c15=FrameEvaluate(c16, "global IsBlend_c = IsBlend_n")
c14=FrameEvaluate(c15, "global IsBlend_p1 = IsBlend_c")
c13=FrameEvaluate(c14, "global IsBlend_p2 = IsBlend_p1")
c12=FrameEvaluate(c13, "global IsBlend_p3 = IsBlend_p2")
c11=FrameEvaluate(c12, "global frametype_p1 = frametype_c")
c10=FrameEvaluate(c11, "global frametype_p2 = frametype_p1")
c9 =FrameEvaluate(c10, "global frametype_p3 = frametype_p2")
c8=FrameEvaluate(c9, "global btest_n1_n = AverageLuma(edge_n1_dark_n)") # 
c7=FrameEvaluate(c8, "global btest_n2_p = AverageLuma(edge_n2_dark_p)") # 
c6=FrameEvaluate(c7, "global btest_p2_n = btest_p1_n") # 
c5=FrameEvaluate(c6, "global btest_p1_p = btest_c_p") # 
c4=FrameEvaluate(c5, "global btest_p1_n = btest_c_n") # enhanced blend-test -
c3=FrameEvaluate(c4, "global btest_c_p  = btest_n1_p")  # test with darkened
c2=FrameEvaluate(c3, "global btest_c_n  = btest_n1_n")  # static edges, making
c1=FrameEvaluate(c2, "global btest_n1_p = btest_n2_p") # motion more important 
return(c1) 
}

###### DO IT ######
function DoIt ()
{
Calculate(work)
AlreadyBobbed = last
assumeframebased()
separatefields.selectevery(4,1,2).weave

SmartDecimate(24,50, bob=AlreadyBobbed, tel=0.9, t_max=0.0000050, console=false)

# assumefps(25)  # this should really be done externally, not within Restore24 ...
trim(24,0)
return(last)
}

###### DEBUG, OR NORMAL OUTPUT ? ######

global debug =  false # true # 
debug ? ShowAll() : DoIt()

return( last )
}
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to use the modified restore24, write a avs-script similar to this:
Code:
setmemorymax(256)
import("C:\x\avs-scripts\restore24.avs")
import("C:\x\avs-scripts\bobmatcher.avs")

loadplugin("C:\x\masktools.dll")       #for restore24
loadplugin("C:\x\avisynth_c.dll")
loadcplugin("C:\x\smartdecimate.dll")

loadplugin("C:\x\tomsmocomp.dll")      #for tomsbobsoft

loadplugin("C:\x\kerneldeint140.dll")  #for bobmatcher
loadplugin("C:\x\mpeg2dec.dll")
loadplugin("C:\x\mpeg2dec3.dll")


mpeg2source("yousource.d2v",cpu=4,iPP=true)

converttoyuy2(interlaced=true)

restore24(tomsbobsoft(last),bobmatcher(last))
restore24() has two arguments for now.

the first is the testing-stream and the second one is the working stream

the testing-stream is used to get the edgemask. therefore it is needed, that no thresholded deinterlacing is applied. just pure bobbing.

the working-stream can be deinterlaced according to you wishes.
you can use kernelbob, dgbob or bobmatcher. it is up to you.
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ugh this is incredibly hard to follow now that it has been edited and spread across different threads.

I cannot get restore 24 to work under any circumstances.

I have all the plugins and I believe they are the versions needed here. I am using Avisynth 2.55 alpha march 30th and have created restore24.avs and bobmatcher.avs as they exist in their final state in these two threads.

The closest I get to this filter working is "invalid arguments to the function GeneralConvolution... restore24.avs line 26"


Can someone please tell me which gods I need to pray to in order to get this thing to work? I wouldn't mind so much if the original posts had been kept but the way this thread has been edited makes it practically impossible to work out what changes have happened.

(Also, as a side, wouldn't it be worth extracting the MaskTools code from the old mpeg2dec and make a new dll with it and save having all these different versions of filter around? I have so many mpeg2dec files I dont know which one is which anymore.)
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Oh-oh ... indeed, Restore24 is currently broken.

That is because a bug in GeneralConvolution that was present for a very long time got fixed some time back.

I am planning to pick up the work on Restore24 again in the near future - the function posted in this thread is by far not the end of the story . The latest development versions were already much more sophisticated, but far too unstable to be made public.

For the time being, take the modified script that scharfis_brain posted above, and make the following changes manually:

replace this part:
Code:
###### BUILD EDGEMASK ######-----------
edgeRGB = work.ConvertToRGB32().\
          GeneralConvolution(0,"
           -1 -1 -1 
           -2 10 -2 
           -1 -1 -1 ")
with this: [edited]
Code:
###### BUILD EDGEMASK ######-----------
edgeRGB = work.DEdgeMask(0,255,0,255,"5 0 -5 10 0 -10 5 0 -5",setdivisor=true,divisor=6)
And to take advantage of another change in AviSynth, make this little addition:
Code:
###### PRECEEDING & PROCEEDING ######
global edge_c  = edgeRGB.ConvertToYV12()
global edge_c  = edge_c.levels(0,0.5,160,0,255,false) #.levels( ... ...
(I cannot edit the post of scharfis_brain, and want to avoid even more confusion by posting just another version).


Wth a little luck, this summer I can present a truly pattern-guided version of Restore24.
But developing and bugfixing of the advanced version is such a major P.I.T.A., you can hardly imagine.


- Didée


edit: changed the kernel for DEdgeMask(). I accidentally posted a 90° rotated kernel - it worked, but this one works better.
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Woohoo!

Got it to run at last after getting the latest mask tools and making the above updates.

Thanks!
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i get a script error :/
it says:
Script Error: there is no function named "DEdgeMask"
(bla\restore24.avs, line 25)
(bla\test.avs, line 15)
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You need the latest Mask Tools (as posted in a thread recently)
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the version i have is from 10. jan 2004 (1.4.6)
its the one from http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/

edit: alright found a newer version in the forums and it fixed the problem, but now it says it need yv12 data :/

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thx but i found the search button :P

edit: argh if i change the converttoyuy2 to yv12 it says it cant crop with uneven numbers and if it stays @ yuy2 it says it needs yv12 data :/

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please be sure, you have read my loong post above!

you have to load the plugins in th following order:

masktools.dll #for restore24
mpeg2dec.dll #for bobmatcher
mpeg2dec3.dll #for loading the d2v
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i did

edit: except i have no idea which version of mpeg2dec.dll to use :/

edit2: the version i have is the one from the avisynth filter collection

edit3/5: the new script looks like so

setmemorymax(256)
import("C:\AviSynth 2.5\scripts\restore24.avs")
import("C:\AviSynth 2.5\scripts\bobmatcher.avs")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\masktools.dll")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\avisynth_c.dll")
loadcplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\smartdecimate.dll")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\tomsmocomp.dll")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\kerneldeint.dll")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\mpeg2dec.dll")
loadplugin("C:\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\mpeg2dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\KORN_LIVE_DISC1\VIDEO_TS\KoRn - Live.d2v",CPU=4,iPP=true)
converttoyuy2(interlaced=true)
restore24(tomsbobsoft(last),bobmatcher(last))

edit4: ok i see you have changed the dlls that needed to loaded

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Okay, does that work for you?

I've just cleaned up the post above. I didn't change anything important,
I've just knocked out some dlls because they aren't needed anymore.

EDIT: be sure to set the setmemorymax(x) correctly.

x should be about 2/3 of your RAM. If your have 384 MB of RAM, use setmemorymax(256).

(If x is set too high, the encoding process will end in a very funny harddrive swapping party )
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i hate to say this... but no

and changed the mem max to 340

edit: well you corrected the smartdecimate it was loadplugin and should have been loadcplugin (which it is now)
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and does it work now?

hint: not only post, what you did, additionally post, whether it worked or not!
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