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Old 3rd February 2004, 15:15   #21  |  Link
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Most of the PVR (receivers with HD) have a port to transfer files to a PC. But usually you need first to record the file to the receiver's HD, and then you can transfer it to the PC offline. The program TPVRconv has been written to process (demux, convert to Divx, cut, trim, etc.) this kind of files.
I would be interested to learn how fast this transfer process is and what connection is used. As it's probably quicker to remove the HD from the STB and connect it to an PC!

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But recently I've read about a couple of models which are able to record directly to the PC hard-disk. They are called Neotion and SkyBox (nothing to do with Sky UK and Sky Italia pay-tv services) and I think it's the same receiver with two different brands.

They use the Video-Link software that allows a full-control from the PC, including direct stream recording:

http://www.neotionbox.com/datas/indexbox-gb.html

Bye!
This is great news. More competition for the Hauppauge DEC3000-s!

Thanks for this


EDIT: Just read the spec for the Neotion box. No mention of whether the USB connection is 1.1 or 2.0. Interesting that it's tailored for receiving porn channels
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I think the dreambox you can do all kind of things, it's the best set-top-box at the moment but has still quite a few problems
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Old 3rd February 2004, 17:56   #23  |  Link
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I would be interested to learn how fast this transfer process is and what connection is used.
Newer models, such as Humax PVR-8000, have a USB 2.0 port.

But there are also faster connections. Look at this:
http://www.satnews.it/prove/4000pvrda/index.shtml (Italian page).
On the rear panel the receiver has an EIDE connector to link its internal HD directly to the PC controller ! But in this case, the receiver's HD cannot be shared between the receiver and the PC at the same time.

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You're right, the Dreambox can certainly stream MPEG via LAN.
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Cool....

I like fast connections!

I'll have to hunt round for the Italian box!

I wonder how long that 'round' IDE extension cable is. As I've been trying to find one at approx 1000 - 1200mm without success!

Also, does anybody know what the maximim 'allowed' cable length is for an USB 2.0 and a FireWire - before the signal goes 'tits up'?

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I'll have to hunt round for the Italian box!
Earlier Jepssen receivers (PVR) were clones of other brands (Emtech, GBsat, etc.) that you can find outside Italy too, but I didn't see this specific model called "Direct Access" under any other brand.

As for the Neotion, you can find a complete test report in the latest issue of TELE-satellite international magazine.
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@kon: I suppose you have the theoretical knowledge as well? If so it would be nice if you could write a basics article that explains how DVB and ATSC work, the stream formats and such because that's an area I'm still lacking. Also.. do you (or anybody else) have some standalone receivers that support streaming to PCs? That part I won't be able to cover (as well as using hardware that cannot be used by DVBViewer, ProgDVD and DVDPortal - those 3 programs are going to make it into my guides).
Sure if you need such an article I can make one. If you have some more specifics just PM me.

As for relaying streams, there are a few existing options -

For video which is muxed into the TS, I've made an app that streams a transport stream from a PCI tuner board (must support directshow) over the network to VLC ( http://www.streamxpress.net/xcaster ). VLS supports some satellite PCI boards, but no ATSC tuners (which is where this app fits in since it supports anything that can provide a buffer of TS packets).

For video that is muxed into the TS as IP packets (like multicast windows media streams), its easy to stream to PCs since the demux board pulls the ip packets back out and onto the network stack (where you can view them with media player or whatnot).

There are also a ton of STBs that will stream to the lan or to firewire. mostly from asia.

The last option is where you want to stream to PCs from a toaster device. I've been testing such a device which is the size of a VHS tape - it has a tuner input and ethernet output. Its not on the market yet, but its 'pretty close'.

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Doom9: While I don't have the lab that Kon has, I do have about a years worth of experience using dvb-s cards and a few different cards and dish/lnbs. I wouldn't say I'm a guru, but I could explain the differences between ATSC, DVB, and DirectTV's DSS. I know my ts from my ps and es, and I can tell you what many of the pids in a dvb-s stream are used for.

If your in need of some NTSC or even HD streams captured from a dish in north american let me know, I'm sure I can help you out. Free to air only, but there is a wide variety of different bitrates and resolutions out there in the aether over the USA.
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no, sorry i suppose i used the wrong identifier.
I meant hardware sellers, like (URL omitted)
I would recomend almost any other satellite shop over the one that you provided a link to. They are a company with very shady business practices, things like targeting the signal theft market, and publishing names without permissoin on their website.

I have never purchased anything from them, but know a few that have and they havn't been pleased.

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Cool....

I like fast connections!

I'll have to hunt round for the Italian box!
Wait ! Look at this:
http://www.jepssenclub.com/news.htm

latest Jepssen box with two tuners and a Firewire port.
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Wait ! Look at this:
http://www.jepssenclub.com/news.htm

latest Jepssen box with two tuners and a Firewire port.
Ohhhh, MrDarcy..... You're exciting me too much

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Ohhhh, MrDarcy..... You're exciting me too much

eh eh eh

Did you manage to discover how long a firewire cable can be?
(I'm getting excited too....)
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Unfortunately no!


EDIT: I've just had a look in some electronics catalogues and the max lengths of both USB1.1 / 2.0 and FireWire seems to be 5.0 meters.

Apparently special 'Repeater' cables can be used for USB which can increase the max run to 50 meters.

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Is there anything in the us to get the satellite signal into the computer? Nothing illegal, I have directv subscription, I just hate having to capture it with my winfast 2000 xp, it seems to loose resolution.

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If your in need of some NTSC or even HD streams captured from a dish in north american let me know, I'm sure I can help you out. Free to air only, but there is a wide variety of different bitrates and resolutions out there in the aether over the USA.

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I would be interested in this, what you use, what satellite, where you got it, etc. I just basically want to be able to take satellite signal to my harddrive so I can work with it in its native format before the tuner screws it up.

I have a thread on the main page titled: Direct_tv with the DVB to DVD-R guide where I list the details of what I am doing now.

thanks in advance.

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I have a DVB-S PCI card, it allows me to capture the actual mpeg streem. With my old primestar dish and a couple of 18" dishes for the circular signals, I can pick up and record the mpeg stream of almost any transponder that is broadcasting DVB above 11Ghz. I don't have a motorized dish, so if I want to change sats, I have to go out and re-aim my dish by hand. Doesn't get done much in the winter. http://www.lyngsat.com/america.shtml Check that page for sat and transponder info.

What I can't capture/record:
C-Band - Would need a 6'+ dish
Analogue - Not much here, no tuner
DCII - Another MPEG based tech that is owned by Motorola, no card.
Direct TV - They use a non-standard bastard half brother of dvb, so no luck here.
Anything Encrypted - Illegal

So that keeps the following open for us here in North America:
ALOT of ethnic and religious programing, check out T5
"Wild Feeds" free to air broadcasts that studios and stations use to deliver news, sports, and programing. Without a motorized dish this isn't much fun.
A few local stations here and there
PBS on AMC 3, the best TV out there, including PBS HDTV
Radio stations via Dish Network and BellExpressVu, they are FTA

While it is in no way a replacement for a DBS service or cable, there is some interesting programing out there for us here in the colonies.

And now that I've spent 15 min typing your answer without answering it, no I do not know of a way to digitaly capture programing from Direct TV.
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As some of you mentionned the dreambox :

I have one since 3 weeks and it's really the best set top box ever.

PPC IBM with hard MPEG1/2 , Flash 64 Mb RAM, Ethernet, USB, PS2, 2 card readers, 1 PCMCIA.

Superb video quality, open Linux on it and lots of image from the web with nice add ons (best is MisterX and Gutan from my point of view)

Compatible any sat system (motorized on my side, no problem with multiple disecq etc)

I put no HD in the dreambox (some power consumption problems, compatibility also, but use NFS to use my PC HD)

Can do real digital recording of the sat broadcast ( TS format : Transport stream + multiple audio tracks when available).

On decoding issue, it's compatible with every official card (with non official images) and can do everything on Hotbird,Thor,Sirius,Hispasat with the correct software.
Also possibility to do card sharing, allowinf one official card and 2 dreambox on your local network over TCP/IP.

Can also do MP3 player, jpeg/gif slideshow, samba sharing, multiboot image from USB (I strongly suggest official image + multiboot on USB)
Only missing feature is Divx player.

It's quite stable now, just some decoding freeze sometimes.


This magic box is about 350 euros now in germany.
I ordered one from www.tkv.com, delivered in 4 days from Germany to France.


Suggested forum for more details : http://sat-industry.net/forums/
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I forget about USB recording set top boxes...

Most are "USB compatible with USB 2.0 but you can use also USB 1.1"
clearly, it's USB 1, with a poor on the fly re encoding.
Ugly.
Dreambox is the only one I know which record the real stream directly (except PC SAT cards of course)
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but I could need a few people to handle the part before that. Specifically: list of cards with their pros and cons, useful softwares for those cards to watch and record TV, and an explanation of the basics perhaps.

Also, living in Europe it's not exactly like we have access to a lot of HDTV material (I have yet to determine if I'm able to receive the sole HDTV channel there is and I believe it is encrypted), so for the HDTV side I'd need a few people to do the same thing, and a guide on capture and processing as well.
In Australia our HDTV (Terestrial) is free to air, I have the much maligned AverTV DVB-T card, which is not suposed to support HDTV very well, but mine works ok, can be a bit blocky if the weather is bad (I live a fair way from the broadcast tower).

Getting from Capture to DVD is a fairly simple process for me.
1. Capture with Standard software that comes with the card
2. Demux with PVAStrumento
3. Use MPEG2 Scnitt english version to remove adds etc
3. Us TMPGEnc DVD Author to make a DVD!
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Wouldn't it be better to use VirtualDub and AVISynth to cut out ads? I'm not sure chopping a DVB video stream up with a mpeg editor is the best way. Aside from not being frame precise, you can't be sure that you aren't going to screw up some more frames in the process. Of course, the other method takes more time and maybe more patience I use DVD2AVI on the mpeg file i record, .mpg usually but also .ts sometimes with DVD2AVI2(from save-oe i think). Then open in VdubMod via AVISynth and go through deleting the ads. Then tell the script editor to insert the frameset as trims and, viola You also have to decode the audio or maybe use mpasource.
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Wouldn't it be better to use VirtualDub and AVISynth to cut out ads?
If you want to reencode, yes. If you want to keep MPEG-2, you'd lose quality this way.

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