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Old 16th July 2003, 19:26   #1  |  Link
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[TEST] Visual, PSNR, SSIM, VQM tests with RV9, XviD ,DivX, WMV9 ...

Two Towers (Trailer 178 sec)

~~ PSNR, SSIM, VQM Test ~~


Code:
| Codec            | P-Process |  Settings  |  Size   |   PSNR  |   SSIM   |    VQM   |
|------------------|-----------|------------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| Xvid Devapi4     |    No     |  570 kbps  | 640x272 | 40.7359 | 0.961267 | 0.855857 |
| Divx Kaukura     |    No     |  570 kbps  | 640x272 | 40.9452 | 0.963071 | 0.816827 |
| VMV9             |    No     |  570 kbps  | 640x272 | 41.0462 | 0.964233 | 0.810412 |
| RV9              |           |  570 kbps  | 640x272 | 41.2712 | 0.966207 | 0.809199 |
|------------------|-----------|------------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| Xvid Devapi4     |    No     |  715 kbps  | 640x272 | 41.7980 | 0.968348 | 0.758332 |
| Divx Kaukura     |    No     |  715 kbps  | 640x272 | 41.8806 | 0.968601 | 0.742593 |
| VMV9             |    No     |  715 kbps  | 640x272 | 42.4004 | 0.970695 | 0.717179 |
| RV9              |           |  715 kbps  | 640x272 | 42.2920 | 0.971928 | 0.723943 |
|------------------|-----------|------------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| Xvid Devapi4     |    No     |  950 kbps  | 640x272 | 43.0887 | 0.975330 | 0.655166 |
| Divx Kaukura     |    No     |  950 kbps  | 640x272 | 43.0920 | 0.974714 | 0.653429 |
| VMV9             |    No     |  950 kbps  | 640x272 | 43.5733 | 0.976320 | 0.640811 |
| RV9              |           |  950 kbps  | 640x272 | 42.9970 | 0.975566 | 0.656301 |
|------------------|-----------|------------|---------|---------|----------|----------|

Download and compare ... no comment is necessary ...



~~ Configurations codecs used ~~

WMV9
Adjustments: Maximum quality + Complex + 2 pass + Force Post Process Mode = 0


RV9 EHQ
Adjustments: EHQ 85 + MSL 60 sec + 2 pass


XviD Devapi4
Adjustments: Ultra high + h263 + vhq4 + chroma motion + bframe 1/150/75 + 2 pass


DivX Pro Kaukuru
Adjustments: Bframe + Slowest + Bitrate Modulation "Slow Movie" + 2 Pass


~~ Script AVS ~~

Encodage
Code:
source=Mpeg2Source("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\azerty.d2v")
source=Crop(source,24,88,-24,-72)
source=BicubicResize(source,640,272,0,0.6)
return source
Test PSNR
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Encodage.avs")
source=ConvertToYV12(source)

video=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Kaukura-950.avi")
video=ConvertToYV12(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
CompareYV12(video,source,"","PSNR-Kaukura-950.txt")
Test SSIM
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Encodage.avs")
source=ConvertToYV12(source)

video=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Kaukura-950.avi")
video=ConvertToYV12(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
return SSIM(source,video,"SSIM-Kaukura-950.txt")
Test VQM
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Encodage.avs")
source=ConvertToYV12(source)

video=AviSource("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Les deux tours\Kaukura-950.avi")
video=ConvertToYV12(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
return VqmCalc(source,video,"VQM-Kaukura-950.txt")

Harry Potter II (Trailer 128 sec)

~~ PSNR, SSIM, VQM Test ~~


Code:
| Codec         | P-Process | Settings |  Size   |   PSNR  |   SSIM   |    VQM   |
|---------------|-----------|----------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| DivX SBC      |    No     | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 44.5105 | 0.969443 | 0.745271 |
| Xvid Devapi4  |    No     | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 44.8596 | 0.972988 | 0.696618 |
| Divx Manihi   |    No     | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 44.9865 | 0.971749 | 0.685860 |
| VMV9          |    No     | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 45.1909 | 0.974026 | 0.671028 |
| RV9           |           | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 45.4853 | 0.975972 | 0.672990 |
|---------------|-----------|----------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| DivX SBC      |    No     | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 45.0649 | 0.971749 | 0.705900 |
| Xvid Devapi4  |    No     | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 45.5277 | 0.975403 | 0.651688 |
| Divx Manihi   |    No     | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 45.6118 | 0.975643 | 0.644280 |
| VMV9          |    No     | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 45.7738 | 0.976034 | 0.630541 |
| RV9           |           | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 45.9816 | 0.977080 | 0.644326 |
|---------------|-----------|----------|---------|---------|----------|----------|
| DivX SBC      |    No     | 950 kbps | 720x288 | 45.5201 | 0.975122 | 0.641671 |
| Xvid Devapi4  |    No     | 950 kbps | 720x288 | 46.0449 | 0.978425 | 0.594206 |
| Divx Manihi   |    No     | 950 kbps | 720x288 | 46.1166 | 0.978254 | 0.591982 |
| VMV9          |    No     | 950 kbps | 720x288 | 46.2447 | 0.978799 | 0.584267 |
| RV9           |           | 950 kbps | 720x288 | 46.4354 | 0.978577 | 0.623178 |
|---------------|-----------|----------|---------|---------|----------|----------|



~~ Configurations codecs used ~~

WMV9
Adjustments: Maximum quality + Complex + 2 pass


RV9 EHQ
Adjustments: EHQ 85 + MSL 60 sec + 2 pass


XviD Devapi4
Adjustments: Ultra high + h263 + vhq4 + chroma motion + bframe 1/150/75 + 2 pass


DivX Pro Manihi
Adjustments: Bframe + Slowest + Bitrate Modulation "Slow Movie" + 2 Pass

DivX3 SBC ffvfw
Adjustments: SADT + chroma motion + 3 Pass



~~ Script AVS ~~

Encodage
Code:
source=Mpeg2Source("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Harry Potter\azerty.d2v")
source=Crop(source,18,76,-18,-76)
source=BicubicResize(source,640,272,0,0.6)
source=Convolution3D(source,0,3,4,3,4,3,0)
source=ConvertToYUY2(source)
return source
Test PSNR
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=Mpeg2Source("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Harry Potter\azerty.d2v")
source=Crop(source,18,76,-18,-76)
source=BicubicResize(source,640,272,0,0.6)
source=Convolution3D(source,0,3,4,3,4,3,0)
source=ConvertToYUY2(source)

video=AviSource("D:\...\Kauehi.avi")
video=ConvertToYUY2(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
Compare(video,source,"","Kauehi.log")
Test PSNR XviD
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=Mpeg2Source("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Harry Potter\azerty.d2v")
source=Crop(source,18,76,-18,-76)
source=BicubicResize(source,640,272,0,0.6)
source=Convolution3D(source,0,3,4,3,4,3,0)
source=ConvertToYUY2(source)

video=AviSource("D:\...\XviD.avi")
video=Trim(video,1,0)
video=ConvertToYUY2(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
Compare(video,source,"","XviD.log")
Test PSNR RV9
Code:
# --> Video Opening <--

source=Mpeg2Source("D:\Mes dossiers\B.A\Harry Potter\azerty.d2v")
source=Crop(source,18,76,-18,-76)
source=BicubicResize(source,640,272,0,0.6)
source=Convolution3D(source,0,3,4,3,4,3,0)
source=DeleteFrame(source,0)
source=ConvertToYUY2(source)

video=DirectShowSource("D:\...\RV9.rmvb",fps=25)
video=ConvertToYUY2(video)

# --> PSNR analysis <--
Compare(video,source,"","test.log")
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interesting results
on my own test with old rv9 (non-ehq) i got values ~36.5

edit: i also got pretty low values with wmv9 vcm ~36.8
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Very interesting!

For any PSNR measurements with RV9, please use the following in codecProperties, to disable the noisyEdgeFilter. The filter works like this: in case there are black or noisy pixels along the edge (from a crop that's slightly off, or capture noise), RV9 will copy real image edge pixels to cover these pixels. This is good for visual results, but oftentimes reduces PSNR compared to the original.

<codecProperties type="bag">
...
<noisyEdgeFilter type="bool">false</noisyEdgeFilter>
...
</codecProperties>

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update: all information which you wanted

The RV9 is the best ... ;-)
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Great results!!

Watch out though: there is a problem with AviSynth's PSNR measurement as done by Compare(). It measures the PSNR for each individual frame and then calculates the arithmetic mean of the frame PSNRs to get a sequence PSNR.

What, you may say, is the problem with taking an average?

Taking the mean of the PSNR for every frame only ever gives a reliable result when all frames of the sequence are of similar complexity (approx same motion, texture, brightness etc.). If frames differ a lot, then the mean PSNR becomes squewed.

Worse, if a codec has very bad rate control, or something else causes a codec to produce variable quality throughout the sequence, then the mean PSNR as computed by AviSynth's Compare() will actually come out better .

What's the solution? The best approach is to compute one PSNR for the whole sequence by treating the sequence as if it was one huge video frame. The PSNR is then a function of the total noise energy in the whole sequence and no nasty averaging effects come into play. I tried to modify AviSynth to work like this, but I couldn't get it to compile. So if anyone knows how to make this change...
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disable the noisyEdgeFilter.
in case there are black or noisy pixels along the edge (from a crop that's slightly off, or capture noise), RV9 will copy real image edge pixels to cover these pixels.
Should this filter be used for black & white old movies ? And EHQ 80 ?
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I am wondering did you use 2 pass bitrate encoding with Wm9 or 1 pass at 100% quality? How about that slider on image quality? Is it set a 1 space before the first on the left or on default? Can you possibly display the time it took to encode each of those clips with the codecs? Thx
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640*272 resolution ...
average fps ...

RV9 EHQ
EHQ 80 + MSL 60
5.88 fps

XviD
Ultra hight + VHQ4 + bframe + chroma ME
7.65 fps

DivX Tahanea
Slow + bframe
5.42 fps

WMV9
Complexe + Quality max
5.09 fps
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XviD 24.06.03 Koepi
Adjustments: Ultra high + h263 + vhq4 + chroma motion + bframe (1/150/75/0) + 2 pass
Could you try with trellis and chroma optimisation enabled in the debug tab and with b-frames set to 3/150/75/0 and update your results.

Much appreciated.
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nice compare but your b-frame setting for Koepi was not well chosen 2/150/75/0 would be much better, and also to compare devapi3 vs rv9 is not fair you should better have compared with devapi4 + gmc and trellis quant, 3 warppoint gmc + vhq is working in their now "thx to syskins work" and gives a little psnr boost.

i'll post my new Compare in the XviD forum no rv9 was tested yet
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make sure you have postprocessing off in the kauehi decoder, last time I checked (which was awhile ago), DXN managed to sneak the post somewhere in vfw decoding >\
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Code:
xvid koepi 24-06-03, 2pass: 20000ko (650kbps) 
avisynth 2.52 
Mpeg2Dec3 1.08 
FFdshow 030103 
Athlon XP 2000+ 
---avs------avs------avs------avs------avs------avs--- 
mpeg2source("E:\Ripping\lotrcutted\lotr.d2v",idct=7) 
Crop(4,80,-4,-80) 
BicubicResize(640,256,0,0.5) 
---avs------avs------avs------avs------avs------avs--- 
clip1 = mpeg2source("E:\Ripping\lotrcutted\lotr.d2v",idct=7) 
.Crop(4,80,-4,-80).BicubicResize(640,256,0,0.5).ConvertToYUY2() 
clip2 = directshowsource("xvid_XX.avi",fps=25).ConvertToYUY2() 
Compare(clip1,clip2,"YUV","psnr.log") 
---avs------avs------avs------avs------avs------avs--- 
info: 
altcc-best = "altcc-h-150-100-50" 
exotic     = "mpeg vhq4 bf1 cm cmop altcc-best" 
pp4        = "ffdshow nic pp4 strength 256" 

                        |---------|---------| 
                        | K140503 | K240603 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| default               | 41.9028 | 41.8955 | 
| default pp4 simple    | 42.2854 | 42.1851 | 
| default pp4 walken    |    -    | 42.2744 | 
| default pp0 walken    |    -    | 41.8940 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| chroma motion         | 41.9698 | 41.9864 | 
| global motion comp    | 41.8826 | 41.8799 | 
| quarter pixel         | 41.5587 | 41.5599 | 
| lumi masking          | 41.8397 | 41.8423 | 
| chroma optimiser      | 41.8964 | 41.9019 | 
| trellis R-D 0         | 41.8684 | 41.8855 | 
| mpeg quantization     | 42.0297 | 42.0356 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| VHQ 0 bf -1           | 41.9028 | 41.8955 | 
| VHQ 1 bf -1           | 42.0766 | 42.0887 | 
| VHQ 2 bf -1           | 42.1032 | 42.1782 | 
| VHQ 3 bf -1           | 42.1491 | 42.2292 | 
| VHQ 4 bf -1           | 42.2199 | 42.3316 | 
|                       |         |         | 
| VHQ 0 bf 0            |         | 41.8946 | 
| VHQ 1 bf 0            |         | 42.1150 | 
| VHQ 2 bf 0            |         | 42.2359 | 
| VHQ 3 bf 0            |         | 42.2522 | 
| VHQ 4 bf 0            |         | 42.3327 | 
|                       |         |         | 
| VHQ 0 bf 1            |         | 42.0270 | 
| VHQ 1 bf 1            |         | 42.2614 | 
| VHQ 2 bf 1            |         | 42.3151 | 
| VHQ 3 bf 1            |         | 42.3338 | 
| VHQ 4 bf 1            |         | 42.4166 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| bf0 default           | 41.9028 | 41.8946 | 
| bf1 default           | 41.8666 | 42.0270 | 
| bf2 default           | 41.7618 | 41.9992 | 
| bf3 default           | 41.7480 | 42.0043 | 
| bf4 default           | 41.7471 | 41.9937 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| altcc-default         | 42.1407 | 42.1330 | 
| altcc-best            | 42.3478 | 42.3417 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 
| exotic                | 42.6715 | 42.9207 | 
| exotic pp4 simple     | 43.0756 | 43.2172 | 
| exotic pp4 walken     |    -    | 43.2652 | 
|-----------------------|---------|---------| 

Koepi 240603 bframe test: 

                |---------|---------|---------|---------|---------| 
                | 1 - 150 | 1 - 190 | 2 - 150 | 2 - 190 | 3 - 150 | 
|---------------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------| 
| bf thresh -40 | 41.9154 | 41.9148 | 41.9160 |         |         | 
| bf thresh -20 | 41.9632 | 41.9542 | 41.9632 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 0   | 42.0270 | 42.0494 | 41.9992 |         | 42.0043 | 
| bf thresh 10  | 42.0545 | 42.0750 | 42.0118 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 20  | 42.0500 | 42.0745 | 41.9598 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 30  | 42.0407 | 42.0689 | 41.9061 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 40  | 42.0286 | 42.0655 | 41.8842 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 60  | 42.0125 | 42.0318 | 41.8165 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 80  | 42.0007 | 42.0225 | 41.7905 |         |         | 
| bf thresh 90  | 41.9973 | 42.0103 | 41.7871 |         |         | 
|---------------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------| 
| bf offset 0   | 41.9844 |         |         |         |         | 
| bf offset 25  | 41.9887 |         |         |         |         | 
| bf offset 50  | 42.0181 |         |         |         |         | 
| bf offset 75  | 42.0270 | 42.0494 | 41.9992 |         | 42.0043 | 
| bf offset 100 | 42.0115 |         |         |         |         | 
| bf offset 125 | 42.0104 |         |         |         |         | 
|---------------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
The defaut reglage for bframe 1/150/75/0 is very good reglage for the bframe for Koepi 24/06/03 and in conclusion for PSNR ... ;-)
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pp was off but kauehi simple profile still is better then XviD its true in terms of PSNR or a decoder trick but i doubt that
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i think 1/150/75/0 is good (i prefer 1/150/0/10 )

It's a good idea to use trellis for PSNR compare but not chroma optimizer (it might increase video quality but not PSNR ^^ )

A question for PSNR nerd: is there a difference between psnr4avi results and avisynth's compare() ones ?


"3 warppoint gmc + vhq is working in their now "thx to syskins work" and gives a little psnr boost." !!!!!! i want it ^^, going to compile the dev-api4 branch

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640*272 resolution ...
average fps ...

RV9 EHQ
EHQ 80 + MSL 60
5.88 fps

XviD
Ultra hight + VHQ4 + bframe + chroma ME
7.65 fps

DivX Tahanea
Slow + bframe
5.42 fps

WMV9
Complexe + Quality max
5.09 fps
Thx Sagittaire, but you still haven't answer my question. Did you just two pass bitrate encoding for WM9 or 1 pass VBR?
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WMV9
Adjustments: Maximum quality + Complex + 2 pass
PSNR: The WMV9 is really very powerful in this test. It is a codec which "macroblock" practically never and this some is the bitrate.

I make edit in principal post

Sorry for my english ... ;-)
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pp was off but kauehi simple profile still is better then XviD its true in terms of PSNR or a decoder trick but i doubt that
If you have any doubts, you could try using different decoders - just change the fourCC between XVID and DX50.

I believe Kauehi has configurable postprocessing - could be interesting to see if this improves PSNR. Might need to use DirectShowSource() in AviSynth if the VfW decoder doesn't do PP.
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An update on AviSynth PSNR averaging: I rewrote part of AviSynth Compare() to create a more reliable sequence PSNR. It's output to the logfile as "Overall PSNR".

I posted my code on the AviSynth development forum here in the hope that the AviSynth guys like what I've done and incorporate it into their next release.
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WMV9
Adjustments: Maximum quality + Complex + 2 pass
PSNR: The WMV9 is really very powerful in this test. It is a codec which "macroblock" practically never and this some is the bitrate.

I make edit in principal post

Sorry for my english ... ;-)
If you use 2 pass for your encodings, shouldn't you list your bitrate that you use?
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@ Sgt_Strider

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Video : 950 Kbps 720x288

Infomrmation in principal thread ........ !?
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