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Old 9th July 2003, 20:26   #1  |  Link
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OGM is not dead - oggds now in xiph CVS

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Thanks much to Tobias for donating his DirectShow filters to Xiph.org!

You will find the code from Tobias in the 'oggds' module of CVS. This code represents the 0.9.9.3 version of the filters, which is not quite what the current version was. Apparently Tobias was in the middle of some sweeping changes and was not able to recover the new version for us.

In any case, I encourage everyone interested to play around with them. They are BSD licensed and should make a great starting point to finish a fully function set of filters for the Windows platform.

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Just got a mail 1 minute before your post in this forum where Tobias wrote about that

I'm sorry that I had to nag Tobias with that(well, one mail asking about releasing the sources isn't really nagging), but now really noone can complain - OGM is alive and kickin'!

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wow real great news!!!

hopefully someone will continue Tobias' work (matroska team fasten your seatbelt )...
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Yep, that's good news!
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Sweet!!!
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It's really something good to hear...

There's a lot of great programmers here... Let's hope one of them will take this project and continue it !!!
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OGM is alive and kickin'!
From hell's mouth I stab at thee. Die OGM, die!!

Just kidding. But seriously, this is good news. Competition is good. The fact that OGM can do chapters is one of the driving reasons to hurry up and get chapters working in Matroska. We don't want to completely pass up OGM in a week and have nothing to compete against. Maybe we should pull Toff away from Matroska and have him focus on fixing OggDS.
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That is such a good news, i hope Gabest was told about it
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at last great news indeed.
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That is such a good news, i hope Gabest was told about it
Haha, ditto. I wonder if he'd be willing to work on the filters.
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Great news, good to see that all of tobias' work and the work of everyone that tested and helped out with ogm is going to be put to good use by the people at xiph.
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Great news, good to see that all of tobias' work and the work of everyone that tested and helped out with ogm is going to be put to good use by the people at xiph.
Mmm, that's not what the announcement says... Xiph haven't assigned anyone to it. And I doubt they will ever do. So they hope someone else will do their work. It will not be dead if someone take the responsability to support it and make it evolve.

But it's good that the situation is finally clear(er).
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I would hope development would continue, at the very least it seems they are interested. You are right whether or not it actually becomes the container that hold theora, I guess time only will tell.
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I should maybe not comment this thread here, but this is what i liked to say :

I personally see OGMs future as a supported format from Xiph, or not. I may be wrong here, but this is my opinion. Just think of what happens if libogg is no longer supported, and OGM become incompatible with oggfile, which is incorportating Theora and Ogg handling in general.

Monty has recently stated on #vorbis that IHO Tobias has done a great job to stick to the Ogg specs as close as possible, as far as he can tell. Maybe only the 'mapping' of the DivX codec had to change.

Now i bet every sum that Monty

- has no detailled insight how the VCM codec mapping is actually working in OGM
- doesnt know what a BITMAPINFOHEADER is, nor a VIDEOINFOHEADER
- has not really considered how such Windows centric structs can be generated on Linux, his preferred OS ( ask Mosu, he knows about it very well )
- will die a sudden and hard death, presumable from a heart attack, once he finds out that Tobias is fully depending on the information that DirectShow is giving the OggDS muxer filter ( again, BITMAPINFOHEADER and VIDEOINFOHEADER ) to be able to initialize the codec on playback

He maybe has a feeling that this is the case now, thats why he said the 'codec mapping may change', but guys .... if he does change that, all your existing OGM may be supported for playback, but unevitable become out of spec for the future .....

Just my 2 cents, not here to start a flame war ( and i havent mentioned our stuff !! )

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this may sound selfish, but personally I would love _any_ container as long as I can softsub in SSA Yep, that s what I want to do.

To all the godlike developers here: plz support embedded SSA in OGM! And make it unicode-base! That's all what I want....^^; It was once my dream. I gave up once. I m glad to know that it was not dead after all
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Oops, I misread Liisachan's comments. I have some comments later about putting SSA in OGM.

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Why have you been so slow in macking these operation?
I have the impression that itīs beacuse Matroska has appeared
I would like to know that had happened if this didn't exist

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then insert the 'Matroska splitter' filter
Plz Pamel, no such advertising. We don't want to start any war do we ? I know you're from Texas, but...
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I'm pretty sure Liisachan knows how to use the Matroska Muxer just as well as the rest of us... She did write a Matroska article on her page, and did some early SSA testing with said filter. -_-;;

Anyways, to bring this back on topic, I think it's only a matter of time now for OGM to match some of Matroska's features--just as Matroska is working to match (and out do) mature OGM features.
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Sorry pals, but could you discuss matroska related topics in a matroska thread instead of hijacking _the_ OGM revival thread? This is rude of you.

But this just proves my oppinion about certain people right again

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