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Old 18th August 2019, 23:35   #57141  |  Link
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just use a link and don't embed them.
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Old 19th August 2019, 02:43   #57142  |  Link
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Bohemian Rhapsody (720p -> 2160p) (~26ms)

Avatar (1080p -> 2160p) (~24ms)

Planet Earth II (4k HDR w/ tone mapping) (~30 ms)
Curious what are your upscaling settings?
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Old 19th August 2019, 02:44   #57143  |  Link
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Initial findings (summary)

Like:

1st ever time using an AMD card...love the black levels (picking up details in shadows and dark scenes that were never visible with the 1080) and PQ (appears cleaner,and yet more detail at the same time), and control over just about every aspect of PQ.

Using Wattman (auto overclock), the card is happy and stable at 2130. About 30% faster that my overclocked 1080 strix (render times).

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Control over just about every aspect of PQ (for us types...oh well, even more obsessing)

Software not as intuitive as Nvidia.

Seems to throttle at a lower threashold (nivida on 23p, seems to be about 39 vs 32 ms)

HDR is better on Nividia because of the API links in Madvr (I assume) being able to tell the display its a Bt2020 signal.

Verdict - 1080 up on ebay over the next few days, but still have lots more testing and tuning to do.
How's the thermal compared to 1080, does 5700 xt run hot?
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Old 19th August 2019, 03:13   #57144  |  Link
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it uses more power so it produces more heat. if it runs "hot" or is loud depends only on the cooler.

the stock cooler is the worst all partner card cooler tests i have seen looked very good.
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Old 19th August 2019, 07:02   #57145  |  Link
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Hi everyone, I encountered a problem with manual deinterlacing.

If the video has proper interlaced tag, MadVR can detect and deinterlace it just fine.
However, if I want to force interlacing some videos that are marked wrong by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+D, or by adding "deint=on" to the filename, it simply doesn't work.
The OSD does show "deinterlacing on", but no deinterlacing is going on and the final result is still interlaced.

I tested with multiple players and this bug persists. I use LAV Filters to decode, if it matters.

Below are two screenshots, one with auto deinterlacing, one with force interlacing (by adding "deint=on" to filename). You can see from the video canvas that the latter one doesn't work.


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Old 19th August 2019, 07:47   #57146  |  Link
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If the video has proper interlaced tag, MadVR can detect and deinterlace it just fine.
However, if I want to force interlacing some videos that are marked wrong by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+D, or by adding "deint=on" to the filename, it simply doesn't work.
The OSD does show "deinterlacing on", but no deinterlacing is going on and the final result is still interlaced.

I tested with multiple players and this bug persists. I use LAV Filters to decode, if it matters.

Below are two screenshots, one with auto deinterlacing, one with force interlacing (by adding "deint=on" to filename). You can see from the video canvas that the latter one doesn't work.
Actually it is performing deinterlacing, but its using the wrong field order (a piece of information the decoder would also convey when the file is tagged properly) - and with the wrong order, deinterlacing produces even worse artifacts then not deinterlacing.

Unfortunately I don't think there is a filename tag for it, but there is Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F to switch the field order during playback.
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:06   #57147  |  Link
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what are your lavfilter settings?

the only situation where deinterlacing doesn't work even when forced for me is when deinterlacing is disabled in lavfilter which is still a bug in madVR, deint=film works which is strange.

forcing deinterlacing on progressive sources works fine.
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:09   #57148  |  Link
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Unfortunately I don't think there is a filename tag for it, but there is Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F to switch the field order during playback.
it doesn't care if the bug is triggered madVR shows that it is switching the field order but it is still not deinterlacing.

and even if the field order is wrong you would not see his image you would get a total mess in motion but the still image should be fine not like his waved one.
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:39   #57149  |  Link
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what are your lavfilter settings?

the only situation where deinterlacing doesn't work even when forced for me is when deinterlacing is disabled in lavfilter which is still a bug in madVR, deint=film works which is strange.

forcing deinterlacing on progressive sources works fine.
but
Yeah I do use deinterlacing = disabled in these testings.

So it's an acknowledged bug I assume?
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:44   #57150  |  Link
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no never heard of before don't change the deinterlace lavfilter setting in general especial don't use disabled it if you want deinterlacing.

feel free to add it:
http://bugs.madshi.net
don't miss the part about the lavfilter setting so he can easily reproduce the issue.
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:51   #57151  |  Link
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OK, I just tested again with a progressive video (but the "real" content is interlaced), with LAV set back to "auto".

It still doesn't work for either filename 'deint=on' or ctrl+alt+shift+D.

And yes, changing field order doesn't help.
(Having wrong order will have weird result in video playing, but weaving won't happen like huhn said).

deint=film does work for telecined content (but mine is truly interlaced, not telecined).

Just in case I was not clear before:
The bug is about when force deinterlacing by using filename flag or manual toggle,
not by setting "force" in LAV (which works!).

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Old 19th August 2019, 09:11   #57152  |  Link
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Using DX11 Native decoding in LAV?
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Old 19th August 2019, 09:25   #57153  |  Link
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I use software decoding. LAV setting is all default now

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Old 19th August 2019, 12:01   #57154  |  Link
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IIRC, AMD has (or used to have) some image improvement processing options enabled by default. Make sure you're not falling into a processing trap.
Will look into that.
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Old 19th August 2019, 12:02   #57155  |  Link
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there is no difference in black level this has been proven countless times using measurement hardware you are imagine things or your level settings are messed up.

can you make a screen with ShowRenderSteps would be nice to see AMD back with some NGU capable cards.
I'm sure you are correct.
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I'm sure you are correct.
Hi, dont suppose you have a 3D display you could test, i may pull the trigger on one of these myself at some point but has to have 3D support.
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Sorry, my set does not support 3d.
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Old 19th August 2019, 15:23   #57158  |  Link
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Curious what are your upscaling settings?
720p

Image doubling: NGU Standard High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Standard High
Image Downscaling: SSIM 1D - 100%
Crispen Edges: 1.2
Thin Edges: 1.2
Enhance Detail: 1.3
Adaptive Sharpen: 1.0
Anti-bloating (100%)
Anti-ringing
Refine once

1080p

Image doubling: NGU Sharp High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Sharp High
Image Downscaling: SSIM 1D - 100%
Scale in linear light
Crispen Edges: 1.0
Thin Edges: 1.0
Enhance Detail: 1.0
Adaptive Sharpen: 1.0
Anti-bloating (100%)
Anti-ringing
Refine every 2x

2160p

Chrome upscaling: NGU Sharp High
Sharpen Edges: 1.0
Crispen Edges: 1.0
Thin Edges: 1.0
Enhance Detail: 1.5
Anti-bloating (75%)
Anti-ringing
Refine once
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Old 19th August 2019, 17:39   #57159  |  Link
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Hi, dont suppose you have a 3D display you could test, i may pull the trigger on one of these myself at some point but has to have 3D support.
It has 3d support, I own a 5700xt myself and enjoy 3d via my jvc n5b projector
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It has 3d support, I own a 5700xt myself and enjoy 3d via my jvc n5b projector
Cool. I don't have 3d, so couldn't give any advice.

In terms of software - I have found Adrenalin vr 19.7.2 to be the most stable (so far).

What are your findings?

Sorry guys/girls if its off topic - these days here is a tumble-weed day....just sayin.
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