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Old 9th January 2018, 22:00   #48161  |  Link
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that would add zero bandwidth and vsfilter does it this way.
the "new subtitle interface" it uploading image that are scaled or even uploaded at the target resolution.
Wouldn't it add the bandwidth of the images? Do all subtitles only need to upload the image to the GPU once for each title (not for every frame)?
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Old 9th January 2018, 22:02   #48162  |  Link
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Do all subtitles only need to upload the image to the GPU once for each title (not for every frame)?
If done properly, sure, unless its animated.
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Old 10th January 2018, 03:09   #48163  |  Link
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Hello my friend, and thanks alot for helping me.

Ill try to explain the best i can.

I want to watch 4K videos/movies, and make the look the best possible with GTX750 ti/1050 ti/GTX960/GT1030. The monitor is 1080p, and the clips are in 4K in the format i posted previously.

I need to know, if i "max out" the madVR settings, will any of this card be able to play the 4K clips which i provided the format/codecs/info for without issues? for example you select all the best looking - processing/renderer settings in madVR panel, and get the best image quality out of the videos? i understand this is called downscaling? also for future X265 formats, for the same kind of usage, when the S9 will be released.

I got this option now for (USED) and some new cards,

GTX750 ti 4GB - 80$, GTX960 4GB - 140$, GTX 1050 2GB (new) 2GB - 160$, GT1030 2GB (new) 90$

I will be also connecting them with mu U2414h, would some of the madVR modes require, a special HDMI/DP standards? and as a final note, would 960 or 1050 offer anything at all more compared to the 750 ti 4gb, and will it worth to pay double for them? would the 2gb be bottleneck for youtube 4k/8k60? on the 1050 or for madVR? thanks.

P.S. I'm not from USA, where i live, those are the prices i can get for new/used cards.

Anyone can help?
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Old 10th January 2018, 03:29   #48164  |  Link
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psyside read Asmodian's guide. He also has a config you can download.
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Old 10th January 2018, 03:55   #48165  |  Link
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psyside read Asmodian's guide. He also has a config you can download.
Thanks, but i don't see gpu recommendations, or answers for the cards i can/should get?
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Old 10th January 2018, 04:02   #48166  |  Link
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The recommendation is always whatever card you can afford. Personally I can only recommend Nvidia GPUs for MadVR.
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Old 10th January 2018, 04:12   #48167  |  Link
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The recommendation is always whatever card you can afford. Personally I can only recommend Nvidia GPUs for MadVR.
Yes, but what would you pick if you can, (what is best regarding price/performance and will it work good enough for my use?)

GTX960 4gb for 120 usd

GTX750 ti 4gb for 80 usd

GTX1050 2gb for 160 usd

GTX 1050 ti 4gb for 200 usd
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Old 10th January 2018, 05:37   #48168  |  Link
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960 is best value for scaling performance/enhancement out of all those.
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Old 10th January 2018, 08:25   #48169  |  Link
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960 is best value for scaling performance/enhancement out of all those.
So based on this post, the 960 is the winner generally? thanks and sorry all for the spam!
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You don't need to really do much to the video when downscaling from 4K. You won't be able to use SSIM2D which is considered the most favorable downscaler by most here but you can use 1D or anything else.
The 1050Ti is slightly better but only if you're happy with spending the $80, you figure it out.

Also my 960 2Gb handles 4K 60FPS and 4K HDR no problem, I'm only using around 1-1.5GB for the 4K downscaling so if you can score a 1060 3GB for around $200 do it, it would be the best card to get.

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Old 10th January 2018, 08:43   #48171  |  Link
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You don't need to really do much to the video when downscaling from 4K. You won't be able to use SSIM2D which is considered the most favorable downscaler by most here but you can use 1D or anything else.
The 1050Ti is slightly better but only if you're happy with spending the $80, you figure it out.

Also my 960 2Gb handles 4K 60FPS and 4K HDR no problem, I'm only using around 1-1.5GB for the 4K downscaling so if you can score a 1060 3GB for around $200 do it, it would be the best card to get.
I have found it, its 300$ where i live, and its the worst model lol

How much of a difference in ( "% gains" - IQ) can SSIM2D make vs the next best method?
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Old 10th January 2018, 08:50   #48172  |  Link
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It's personal preference, it's just the most advanced upscaler and delivers a very natural picture not the sharpest. For example huhn hates bicubic 150 but on my plasma I prefer it over SSIM 1D.
Also to be noted is that my 960 will not handle HDR in high quality, I have to 'let madVR decide' with low quality so if you want the best HDR downscaling you'll want the 1050Ti at least (for 60fps)

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It's personal preference, it's just the most advanced upscaler and delivers a very natural picture not the sharpest. For example huhn hates bicubic 150 but on my plasma I prefer it over SSIM 1D.
Also to be noted is that my 960 will not handle HDR in high quality, I have to 'let madVR decide' with low quality so if you want the best HDR downscaling you'll want the 1050Ti at least (for 60fps)
1050 ti 2gb wont work right?

Thanks so much!
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Old 10th January 2018, 11:21   #48174  |  Link
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It'll work fine, but you'll probably want to upgrade sooner, 2GB only just gets you by. Will end the discussion here, gone on long enough you have everything you need to know.
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Old 10th January 2018, 12:53   #48175  |  Link
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@Madshi

I was able to upgrade to 390.65 and get everything working (although it's still not possible to select bit depth when using a 23p custom res, you have to select bit depth with the native res at 30p or 60p and then only select the 23p custom res). That's a minor driver bug, and nothing to do with MadVR of course.

I also had to use a different timing set, as the usual that would give me 50mn between drops made no difference. But after an optimize of one of the recommended sets, I got similar or better results than before.

I have one request (not new but issue is still there): once I have a 4K23 custom res optimized, I have near perfect playback for 99% of my content as I have almost nothing at 50p or 60p (have to try optimize these, not had the time to do so yet).

But 3D (mk3D) still gets a frame drop every 2 minutes or so, which is barely acceptable. Is there any way to optimize separately 1080p23FP, so that we can optimize 3D playback and get decent frame drops? It's not a processing/rendering issue, there is plenty of power left, all buffers full. It's really a sync/refresh rate issue. Note: although the 3D wizard now works, 3D still gets disabled after HDR playback, so the batch files are still necessary to get consistent/reliable 3D playback. Any way to start these batch files automatically on 3D playback? Or would it be too late if it's MadVR who does it? Maybe it has to be done in player/frontend.

Thanks for considering this (especially 1080p23FP rate optimization) if it's technically possible.
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I was able to upgrade to 390.65 a......
i'm not seeing that with 3D MVC on my AMD card, its perfect, no drops , repeats or anything, is it that when it goes into 3D its not using your custom res in MADVR maybe, what does your control J screen look like, its it pushing out 23.97X? or 23,980 as my 1050 used to do before i added the custom res in MADVR.
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i'm not seeing that with 3D MVC on my AMD card.
This is an nVidia issue only, Madshi knows it. I had an HD7870 before the 1080ti and never had that problem, but I had many others.

It would be great if you could realize that not everyone has the issues you have, and some people can get issues you don't experience, especially with different GPUs, OSes etc.

I don't need help on this, I'm only (re)reporting the issue and asking Madshi if he thinks he can do something about it.
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Old 10th January 2018, 17:16   #48178  |  Link
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reading i see that a 1050 ti its ok, but what about a "EVGA GTX1060 SC 6GB"?
i'd like to use the max settings and quality
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reading i see that a 1050 ti its ok, but what about a "EVGA GTX1060 SC 6GB"?
i'd like to use the max settings and quality
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Hi, not sure anyone could accurately recommend any card just based on that criteria, its difficult as everyone's machines and requirements are different.

perhaps we should look a this a different way, perhaps Just treat this like we would if we were choosing the card for gaming, just get the fastest 4k capable card we can for the money we have, no more discussion then required

What I mean is they are all capable 4K cards but you get diminishing returns the more money you pump into them, in my opinion so just decide on a budget and stick to it.
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Old 10th January 2018, 17:35   #48180  |  Link
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HDR still not working properly here with new Nvidia drivers.
Now it doesn't turn on the Windows' HDR toggle, but I'm still not getting the right colors. With my Samsung TV, if I choose the colour space 'native', it gives me something that aproximates what it should look like, but it's not correct. You have to select 'auto' in the colour space option to get the correct HDR colours. With 'auto' it looks 'kinda' washed out, or better described: it looks like SDR. In contrast, the desktop looks super saturated and vibrant with colours. But it must be something about my hardware since nobody seems to have any trouble here. oh well.
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