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Old 11th November 2017, 13:22   #47141  |  Link
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What OS build? I am on 1607 and 0 issues with the latest madVR + latest NVidia drivers when it comes to madVR custom display settings.
He told you the versions he's on in the very same post you are quoting, man...
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Old 11th November 2017, 15:37   #47142  |  Link
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Spotify started releasing them recently and madVR isn't detecting black bars at all for me.
Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz95u3UVpaM
Well that doesn't look good at all, in fact it looks like it was filmed horizontally with no idea of field of view and then cropped to be vertical. I really hope this doesn't get popular for commercial content.
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Old 11th November 2017, 16:08   #47143  |  Link
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It's just a stupid gimmick.
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Old 11th November 2017, 21:51   #47144  |  Link
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Not much time for madVR atm, so I've only added a "high" quality option to the RCA algorithm. The previous RCA algorithm is still available as "medium" quality. The "high" option is quite a bit slower. At very low strengths I don't see much of a difference, but at medium to high strengths, "high" quality does look a bit better to me. What do you guys think?
At low strenghts I can't see a difference. At high strenghts, I can see a difference but I can't determine if it's really better. At very high strengths it's a little bit better.
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Old 12th November 2017, 01:58   #47145  |  Link
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Rca high - 10

RCA: I almost always end up using, strength 10/high quality. Lower or higher strength, or medium quality, not usually very effective, for most of my anime (mostly average quality). Almost always worth, the slower rendertime, with high quality setting.
GTX 1070; 4k TV (2160p/23); NGU Sharp/high, chroma & luma direct quadruple; SSIM 2D - STRENGTH 100% + ll/ar; upscaling refinement (especially thin edges/soften edges - only once after upscaling is complete - sharpening, is almost always, my #1 issue , I think, mostly, because of 4k upscaling); low 30's render (41+ available). Images look significantly better, with RCA strength 10/high quality (more important to me, than high luma settings). Thank you!

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Old 12th November 2017, 02:07   #47146  |  Link
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sorry i can't really understand why a good source needs RCA in the first place.

i mean it is made to remove compression artefacts and good sources are not supposed to have them.
and even low settings can easily harm a good source.
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Old 12th November 2017, 02:17   #47147  |  Link
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Yeah, which is why bitrate info would be a beautiful addition to madvr profiles.
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Old 12th November 2017, 02:42   #47148  |  Link
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He told you the versions he's on in the very same post you are quoting, man...
It sounded as if ALL Win10 versions are affected or became affected recently, hence 'short-lived', not just Fall Creator Update.
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the fall creator update is 1709+ and he said that he is using that.

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Re-rca

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sorry i can't really understand why a good source needs RCA in the first place.

i mean it is made to remove compression artefacts and good sources are not supposed to have them.
and even low settings can easily harm a good source.
Sorry about that. Should have said, "average" anime sources (many, are very poor) + RCA high quality = very good image quality. I corrected my post. The best thing about madVR, for me, is that almost any source, will look good.
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Old 12th November 2017, 06:58   #47151  |  Link
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sorry i can't really understand why a good source needs RCA in the first place.

i mean it is made to remove compression artefacts and good sources are not supposed to have them.
and even low settings can easily harm a good source.
I agree. Even check out the effect of low deband. Now I still leave it enabled, but it's not a totally harmless filter.
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the fall creator update is 1709+ and he said that he is using that.
So SOME earlier drivers for 1709+ do not have broken API? There were only a few releases of NVidia drivers that officially supported build 1709.
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looks like it i haven't tried it out myself.
and it's not like an older driver doesn't work for 1709 or newer.
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I agree. Even check out the effect of low deband. Now I still leave it enabled, but it's not a totally harmless filter.
I made sure the low setting removed as little detail as possible when providing feedback as to its settings. The trade off was always intended to be next to trivial for the low setting in particular.

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So whats the most realistic outcome atm regarding Dolby Vision? Probably a PowerDVD 18 support in April 2018? Or first a way to convert the DV stuff to better suited formats for the TVs usb port?

Dolby should just release a DV software player on their own so people can play THEIR shit!
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So whats the most realistic outcome atm regarding Dolby Vision? Probably a PowerDVD 18 support in April 2018? Or first a way to convert the DV stuff to better suited formats for the TVs usb port?

Dolby should just release a DV software player on their own so people can play THEIR shit!
Or people could just stop obsessing about Dolby Vision. The HDR10 mandatory layer plays just as well, and if you don't have a 12bits display or content handling ICtCp (which UHD Bluray doesn't) the differences are minimal. The optional Dolby Vision layer is 1080p only, and the only thing it adds is 12bits over 10bits as well as dynamic metadata. Given the excellent quality of MadVR's dithering, I suspect the PQ difference from the higher bit depth (especially from a 1080p layer) would be close to nil. And dynamic metadata makes a bigger difference on low-end displays (those with a limited native contrast).

Have you compared a title in Dolby vision vs watching it in HDR10 on a high-end display? Can you qualify what you lose exactly when playing the HDR10 layer vs Dolby Vision? Those who have tried usually see minute differences and DV doesn't necessarily come on top for all PQ aspects.

DV is also a pain to calibrate by the way, and won't happen for projectors for a while.

It's not as if Dolby Vision content was not playable. So my advice is: sit back and enjoy HDR10. HDR10+ is more likely to be supported by MadVR than Dolby Vision any time soon.

In any case, between PowerDVD supporting Dolby Vision and MadVR supporting the HDR10 mandatory layer, I know which player I'll use, and it's not PowerDVD...
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Well I do enjoy HDR10 thats for sure but having the extra touch would be great. HDR10+ well first that has to come especially for a bit older displays and then we need content for it. Wont happen before well maybe Q3-Q4 2018. So first lets concentrate on DV.

And regarding minimal differences you might be right ofc. But some movies look almost the same on Bluray vs. UHD Bluray due to 2k mastering anyway. Also minimal differences sometimes. But still we watch the big stuff if we can dont we
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Well I do enjoy HDR10 thats for sure but having the extra touch would be great. HDR10+ well first that has to come especially for a bit older displays and then we need content for it. Wont happen before well maybe Q3-Q4 2018. So first lets concentrate on DV.

And regarding minimal differences you might be right ofc. But some movies look almost the same on Bluray vs. UHD Bluray due to 2k mastering anyway. Also minimal differences sometimes. But still we watch the big stuff if we can dont we
Resolution is the least important part of bluray vs UHD Bluray. HDR vs SDR, 10bits vs 8bits, wider gamut vs rec-709, HEVC compression and immersive audio are a lot more significant (and visible/audible) than 2K vs 4K. You get all that with HDR10.

So there is a much bigger difference between bluray and UHD Bluray than there will ever be between HDR10 and DV (or HDR10+).

Again, does your display support 12bits natively? Have you compared DV vs HDR10 on the same display with the same UHD Bluray? Can you describe and quantify the loss when you play the HDR10 layer of a DV title vs when you play it in DV? You are not answering any of the questions I've asked.

It sounds like you are very much influenced by marketing rather than facts.

IMHO Madshi has far better things to do (i.e. things that can produce far more visible differences in PQ) than implementing Dolby Vision, which is, to use Steve Jobs' words about bluray, "a bag of hurt" in many ways (and certainly for Madshi).

Dolby needs to know the peak brightness of the display. MadVR can't provide that, so will never get a license from Dolby, just like Lumagen will never get a license from Dolby for the Radiance Pro. You can keep asking, but it won't make it happen as long as Dolby Vision remains a proprietary system and Dolby controls who gets a license and who doesn't. It's not in Madshi's hands, even if he wanted/could spend the resources to support DV. DV passthrough from a licensed player, maybe, but again, what's the point if you lose all of MadVR's processing goodness?

Happiness is within reach: just forget about Dolby Vision
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Trust me I know he has more "important" things to do. Like everyone else right now. Dolby Vision is more than unimportant for almost everyone and we wont see it in the next couple of months I certainly know that and its a damn shame thats what I am saying.

And its true its the 10bit and the HDR that makes the biggest difference. I think so too. And still the real 4k stuff looks a lot sharper than any 1080p material. The difference there is noticable too like the one between HDR10 and DV. It is not THAT big, not THAT important and still it is a nice piece to have in MY opinion.

Many dont care for DV many dont even care for HDR. I care for all of that good stuff
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We get it! It's very important for you, but there is no need to repeat this Dolby Vision stuff in this thread until you have new and useful informations about it ...
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