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Old 25th October 2017, 09:39   #46841  |  Link
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He knows about it, it's a bug that's been around for a while, since I've really been the only person to mention it it's been left on the back burner.
Use copy and paste, it helps.
lol yeh that's what I ended up doing.
Type it in notepad and then copy-paste it into the profile window
Didn't know it got mentioned before tho, sorry ^^
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:43   #46842  |  Link
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A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:49   #46843  |  Link
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Only make the jump if you're purchasing a screen with a better panel than the TV you already have (black level, brightness, motion resolution)
Changing the screen technology or upgrading the size will have a bigger impact on quality than anything else, OLED's are amazing..
Don't bother if you're not watching 4K or HDR content yet, but you'll want to upgrade sometime in the next few years anyway.
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Old 25th October 2017, 13:52   #46844  |  Link
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Is there a way of having a keyboard-shortcut to toggling on and off some of the HDR Settings in real-time? I specifically would like to be able to switch "send HDR metadata to the display" on and off without having to go into the menus.
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Old 25th October 2017, 15:34   #46845  |  Link
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A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?
thats subjective mate, adding a small amount of sharpening using NGU does to my eye but its negligable, only get a 4K TV if you are going to be actually watching native 4k stuff, or plan to.
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Old 25th October 2017, 15:59   #46846  |  Link
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A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?
Looking "better" is subjective. I'd be inclined to answer that no amount of upscaling can actually make something look "better" than the original, unscaled content. Others' opinions on the matter may differ. But I'd say that a 1080p quality screen is the best place to watch 1080p content.
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Old 25th October 2017, 17:26   #46847  |  Link
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Hey guys,

Just a quick one because I'm not sure and I'm losing my mind.

I have a Geforce 1050 connected to a Sony X940E to an HDMI port with full bandwidth (and the TV configured to 'enhanced HDMI' mode to enable it).

Should I be able to set my NVIDIA card to output 4k60 12bpp RGB?
I can't seem to be able to do that (only 4k60 12bpp 4:2:0) and was wondering if that's normal?

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Old 25th October 2017, 18:01   #46848  |  Link
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Is there a way of having a keyboard-shortcut to toggling on and off some of the HDR Settings in real-time? I specifically would like to be able to switch "send HDR metadata to the display" on and off without having to go into the menus.
Yes, you can use a profile group - click on your listed device > create profile group > Choose which options you want for the group (HDR) > then you can rename/duplicate the HDR group with your required settings and add a keyboard shortcut to activate between them.

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Should I be able to set my NVIDIA card to output 4k60 12bpp RGB?
I can't seem to be able to do that (only 4k60 12bpp 4:2:0) and was wondering if that's normal?
Yes that's normal, the current HDMI 2.0 spec doesn't support it (4K60 RGB 12bit)

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Old 25th October 2017, 18:35   #46849  |  Link
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Yes that's normal, the current HDMI 2.0 spec doesn't support it (4K60 RGB 12bit)
Thank you. Just to make sure, 4:4:4 shouldn't work either, correct?
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Old 25th October 2017, 18:44   #46850  |  Link
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Thank you. Just to make sure, 4:4:4 shouldn't work either, correct?
That's correct, the table of supported formats can be found here
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Old 25th October 2017, 19:18   #46851  |  Link
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A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?

Prices are reasonable now, but I have no interest in broadcast or streaming 4K (except for baseball games), nor in UHD Blu-ray discs. Should I make the jump, or just stay with my 1080p setup?
This really comes down to the size of the TV you want to buy. If your talking about 65 inch then yes its worth to move up to 4k. If your on a 55 inch then maybe not so unless you want to take advantage of HDR
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Old 25th October 2017, 19:56   #46852  |  Link
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No, the image is cleaner with it off.

Here is what RCA can do at 4 with grain added to a pretty bad source :

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121322

I really like the result in motion, no more disturbing artifacts
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I tried to play the same file from my Win10 VM on the Mac and the menu played fine, whether XySubFilter was selected or not.

So I did some debugging on the HTPC and realized that in order to NOT have the issue, I had to select anything but D3D11 in LAV Video configuration (on the MacBook Pro VM it works fine with D3D11 too).

If I select any other hardware acceleration option on the HTPC (I tried none and DXVA2 Copy-back), the menu displays perfectly both with XySubFilter and with another subtitle option.

Does that make any sense to you/NevCairiel?
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least not if madVR would be at fault. I'm not sure if LAV does anything differently for DVD menus when using D3D11 decoding, that would be a question for nevcairiel.

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Cool. Are you planning to sell it for money?
If you're not a plugin for a free and simple image editor would be far more accessible for people like me who only use these casually.
Photoshop plugins are supported by several Windows photo tools. So it makes the most sense. Any other plugin type is specific to only one tool, which makes no sense to me.

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I'd like to note that madVR takes away a lot of potential shortcuts by not allowing a bunch of valid characters on my keyboard, by falsely claiming they're invalid
At some point madVR is going to just record which keys you press. But I didn't have the time to properly implement that yet.

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Hi, one question, in "display mode-> list all displa modes madvr may switch". Is there any way to specify the bits? For example, some way to automaticaly change from 2160 60Hz 8-bit to 2160 23Hz 12-bit? Without going to the nvidia panel, of course...
Not planned for the near future, sorry. Maybe when I re-design the display mode selection page.

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I went to custom modes setting in Madvr and tested some optimised modes: for every mode I got
"GPU driver rejected this mode, for unknown reason".

Even for the default modes (CTA, CTF, ...) I got the same error.
My PC has been doing this for a long time already. I don't know how to fix it. Nvidia GPU driver problem.

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A question for owners of 4K TVs or monitors. Does a 1080p Blu-ray upscaled with madVR look very much better than it does on a 1080p TV/monitor?
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This really comes down to the size of the TV you want to buy. If your talking about 65 inch then yes its worth to move up to 4k. If your on a 55 inch then maybe not so unless you want to take advantage of HDR
It comes down to viewing angle! If you sit very far away from a 65 inch TV, then 4K won't help. If you sit very very close to a 30 inch TV, then 4K will be helpful. The highest benefit is probably for projection users because they usually have the biggest viewing angles.

If you do sit "close enough", then a 1080p Blu-Ray upscaled to 4K with madVR should look better than using a 1080p display. How much better will depend on the exact viewing angle, the quality of the 1080p Blu-Ray (the higher the better) and the sensitivity of your eyes.

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After updating to Windows 10 Fall update, exclusive fullscreen mode no longers works just black video with audio. I am using MPC-BE. Hardware acceleration is set to DXVA2 (copy-back).
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I started having this problem a few weeks ago with no change I could point to. Since then I upgraded to the latest versions of pretty much everything -
madVR 0.92.5 then 0.92.7 today
mpc-hc 1.17.11 then 1.17.13 today
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Hi guys. Just did a fresh install of windows 10 fall creators update, and installed mpc and madvr. video plays fine but when i enter fullscreen it goes black. Sound is playing and i can see the mouse pointer, but no video. When i leave fullscreen the buttons of mpc are all black
Please downdate to 385.x drivers. The 387.x/388.x drivers are bad.

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As we know, there are much more blocky when video is in motion than static views, especially if the video stream is poorly encoded, like constant bitrate for both scenes. Is it possible for some kind of adaptive strength or algorithm been applied to RCA in the future?
Maybe, maybe not.

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Looking "better" is subjective. I'd be inclined to answer that no amount of upscaling can actually make something look "better" than the original, unscaled content. Others' opinions on the matter may differ. But I'd say that a 1080p quality screen is the best place to watch 1080p content.
Sorry, but that's incorrect. All else being equal, given 1080p vs 4K displays with "perfect fillrate", watching 1080p content on a 1080p display is 100% identical to watching 1080p content on a 4K display using Nearest Neighbor upscaling. And Nearest Neighbor upscaling is probably the worst algorithm to upscale an image.

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@madshi

Code:
https://www.dropjiffy.com/f/0XGTIKYO
http://www.solidfiles.com/d/dkNGYNV38NGAY
http://katfile.com/xfn10nq0r9xp
3 url,same file

thx for your reply,wish this bug to be fixed
Hmmmm... That's pretty weird. It's a crash in the OS "DXGI" dll. Don't know how to solve this right now. But it only occurs if you suspend/resume your PC, right? In that case I don't consider it crucially important right now, to be honest...

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Old 25th October 2017, 21:05   #46853  |  Link
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Sorry, but that's incorrect. All else being equal, given 1080p vs 4K displays with "perfect fillrate", watching 1080p content on a 1080p display is 100% identical to watching 1080p content on a 4K display using Nearest Neighbor upscaling. And Nearest Neighbor upscaling is probably the worst algorithm to upscale an image.
i have to disagree on this. NN looks hideous on my screen i guess this comes downed to the subpixels and the results is not 100% the same as a 1080p.
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Old 25th October 2017, 21:26   #46854  |  Link
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i have to disagree on this. NN looks hideous on my screen i guess this comes downed to the subpixels and the results is not 100% the same as a 1080p.
What I said is a scientific fact. I explicitly talked about displays with "perfect fillrate", though. In real life no display has a perfect fillrate, so it's not as clear cut in real life as it is in theory. Still, if a 1080p display and a 4K display have identical properties (other than resolution), there's no way the 1080p will be able to compete with the 4K display, if you use madVR quality upscaling.
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Old 25th October 2017, 21:58   #46855  |  Link
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Please downdate to 285.x drivers. The 287.x/288.x drivers are bad.
Hi Madshi,

I'm experiencing reproducible crash with 378.78 driver (1050 Ti), MPC-HC keeps crashing when RCA is on. Is this also case of bad driver?

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Old 25th October 2017, 22:09   #46856  |  Link
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Sorry, I meant 385.x, not 285.x, of course.
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Old 25th October 2017, 23:56   #46857  |  Link
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Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least not if madVR would be at fault. I'm not sure if LAV does anything differently for DVD menus when using D3D11 decoding, that would be a question for nevcairiel.
Thanks, I haven't heard back from him, I'll post in the LAV thread if he doesn't reply here.
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Old 26th October 2017, 03:21   #46858  |  Link
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Hmmmm... That's pretty weird. It's a crash in the OS "DXGI" dll. Don't know how to solve this right now. But it only occurs if you suspend/resume your PC, right? In that case I don't consider it crucially important right now, to be honest...
bad news,but maybe somedays it can be solved :D
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Old 26th October 2017, 08:25   #46859  |  Link
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What I said is a scientific fact. I explicitly talked about displays with "perfect fillrate", though. In real life no display has a perfect fillrate, so it's not as clear cut in real life as it is in theory. Still, if a 1080p display and a 4K display have identical properties (other than resolution), there's no way the 1080p will be able to compete with the 4K display, if you use madVR quality upscaling.
isn't upscaling grain/noise and not important pixel art still a problem?
sorry but if you didn't touch the image you can't do anything wrong. i'm not here to say that your scaling algorithms are bad or something they are the best i'm aware of by a big margin.
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Old 26th October 2017, 08:29   #46860  |  Link
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sorry but if you didn't touch the image you can't do anything wrong.
But thats not really true. Its like saying a 720p TV will have the same quality as a 1080p TV at the same size, but we all know thats not true.

High Quality scaling algorithms improve the image substantially, if you can see this difference depends on the size of the screen and your eyes.

At a sufficient size, a 4K screen with upscaled 1080p content will most definitely look better then a native 1080p screen (of the same size). What this size is depends on your eyes and viewing conditions.
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